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My college Sociology class defines sexual harrasment as "discrimination against women on the basis of sex..."

Ziiner

May 4, 2015
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Title My college Sociology class defines sexual harrasment as "discrimination against women on the basis of sex..."
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Ziiner

Upvotes 198
Comments 34
Date May 4, 2015 6:24 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/34umxl/my_college_sociology_class_defines_sexual/
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[–]DavidByron2 53 points54 points55 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Are you male? If so you should talk to the professor, saying you are considering making a sexual harassment complaint. Tell them that their actions are sexist and create a hostile environment for you as a male by making it appear as if only men are assholes, which has a chilling effect on you and your education.

[–]garglemesh42 18 points19 points20 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If it were me, I'd made the complaint first, then tell the professor about it.

[–]scdi 23 points24 points25 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Make it, don't tell professor, keep making more as the topic continues (with growing evidence).

[–]ZimbaZumba 38 points39 points40 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The attempt to redefine the word 'sexism' is a straight out of Orwell's 1984. The word is being given a new and specific meaning whilst retaining the emotional weight of it original meaning. This is intellectually dishonest.

The structure of our language is such that Sexism means discrimination on the basis of sex, period.

[+][deleted] 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Revoran 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This isn't an example of popular word use changing and evolving organically, which as you said happens all the time.

This is an example of an exclusive group of individuals conspiring amongst themselves to change the meaning of a word, in order to influence the way the public thinks.

It's a lot like 1984.

[–]victorymonk 15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Speak up.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Evil can win when good people do nothing.

Doing nothing is allowing evil to win.

Speak up, or let evil win.

[+][deleted] 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]victorymonk 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It has nothing to do with student activism. It's about not being a silent accomplice. You don't have to be a student for that.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

plz file sexual harassment complaint

[–]new-man2 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Trying to fight a teacher directly could make your grades worse. You'll have to decide if that if is worth it.

You may not want to try to fight this directly. You could ask whether the definition should include transgender. If it should include transgender, ask if it should include those transitioning from male to female. As a follow up, ask if it should include transition from female to male. Ask if a female transitioning to a male that uses the male pronoun should be included in the definition.

These questions always blow their minds. Of course, the definition SHOULD include everyone; but most people have not really thought about how a prejudice definition will be implemented.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am a male. I worked as a confirmation caller for a window company that sends sales reps. out to appointments generated by telephone solicitations.

All you need to know about my job (to understand what happened) is this, I had a group of people that went out to appointments everyday - often multiple appointments within a single day - and they had a territory that was almost 100 miles from one side to the other. I was supposed to assaign appointments in relation to where they lived, and proximity to possibly later appointments.

~in other words, there was nothing random about where a salesman went that day, it was part of my job duties to assaign it in a logical fashion that allowed him to do multiple appointments if possible~

Back when I did this it was the late 90's. We didn't have Google Maps. What I had was a map that was located by a secretaries desk posted to the wall. This map had my entire territory on it. The map was central to how I performed this function of my job.

Well, the secretary took a liking to me. I did not return the feelings. In fact, I found her kind of repulsive. It started with her flirting and me trying to be polite but brush her off to her actually grabbing my ass everytime I used the map.

Every, damned, time. I could count on it.

I had a problem, I didn't know what to do about it. I decided to start guessing my salesmen's - er, people's - routes.

Exactly what you think would happen happened. They got pissed. Normally they where happy with my decisions, but after a week they revolted and started complaining to my boss.

So my boss calls me into HER office one day. She says, 'I fired the secretary.'. I replied back, 'Ummm.... okay.... what does that have to do with me?'. She says, 'I saw everything. You were being sexually harassed. You shouldn't have to put up with that.'.


Point is, this is a gender neutral problem. And it is a problem. If your sociology teacher truly doesn't believe men can be harrased, have her send me an IM. I would be happy to arrange a telephone conversation with her and tell her my story personally.

I'll tell you this, I am not a special butterfly. There is nothing 'unique' about what happened to me. Except, possibly, the part about having a boss that looked out for me and called someone on the carpet on my behalf. She was a good one.

[–]Brandwein 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Respect for your boss.

[–]Ziiner[S] 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

My sociology teacher is a nice woman, i do not want to make a production about it. On the other hand, i have a super feminist English teacher. She made us go to six different feminist talks this semester. All of them were over an hour long.

[–]fingerboxes 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My sociology teacher is a nice woman, i do not want to make a production about it.

No, Bad Ziiner. Don't fall for gynocentrism. Don't fucking do it. You don't get to be a feminist AND get the benefit of traditional gender assumptions.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I had a feminist English teacher in college too. She used to yammer on and on about women's struggles. etc.

When we were reading Hamlet she remarked that it was likely that Ophelia had spent time at a nunnery to have Hamlet's bastard baby while keeping her "honor as a lady". And, to her interpretation, this is why Hamlet gave her the cold shoulder at the beginning of the play.

To which I offered to the class: What if he loved her, but wasn't IN love with her?

Getting that C- never felt so good.

[–]Ziiner[S] 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She was the one that organized the feminist events too. She would give us extra credit on our tests if we raised our hands and asked the speaker questions. I wanted to explain how fucking wrong they were, but i didnt wanna fuck my grade.

[–]Kawakji 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now that sounds like academic grievance statement material.

[–]DavidByron2 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well if she's that nice she should appreciate you coming to her first. At least it will prove you were paying attention (more than her in fact) to what sexual harassment is.

[–]Kawakji 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The power a professor wields is such that it might be more prudent to keep your head down and instead prepare a very well-worded and well thought out review of the class for when assessments are parsed out at the end of the semester. I don't know about your school, but where I'm from those get read by the people who determine whether or not to tenure someone.

[–]ChaosOpen 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Theoretically, the teacher should be aiming to please you by teaching the best class she can. You are paying her salary, you are giving the college money(making you the customer) in return for a service. The fact that you can pay to learn something then get a failing grade because you weren't satisfied with her piss poor job of teaching the material is ludicrous.

It's like if you order some french fries from a restaurant, then they hand you a glass of water. When you point out that you were given a sub optimal product instead of what you ordered, they take your money and tell you that if you would like to order fries then you're going to have to order and pay again.

You pay for a good education and you end up having to choose between a bad education with a good grade or a bad education with a bad grade; either way, you aren't getting what you paid for.

[–]Dnile1000BC 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why do men undertake college study that forces them to study this kind of crap?

[–]DAE_FAP 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sociology is an interesting subject if you find social studies interesting. I got lucky with my 100 level SOC class and it stuck with actual sociology. Not so lucky with the 200 level where I learned whiteness is racism and evil and men are socialized to rape. That was pretty much where I decided college was too hostile for a guy like me and quit. No regrets as I'm having some success running my own business.

[–]Dnile1000BC 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well done for avoiding the debt trap before it became too suffocating.

[–]Brandwein 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sad that social sciences are corrupted by this nonsense. Gives them a bad name, when it can be actually interesting. Good luck with the business though.

[–]Ziiner[S] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry for the poorly taken picture.

[–]scanspeak 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You need to send a written complaint to the principal stating that you feel the teacher is pushing her own ideology onto students which is unacceptable for a teacher. Do not give your name. State that you are remaining anonymous because you don;t want your grades to be jeopardized. This isn't just about you, you are representing all male students.

[–]DavidByron2 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, if you complain make it an official sexual harassment accusation as it's illegal for them to retaliate then (because special protection for women). However it's just not polite to complain before giving someone the chance to fix what they are doing so always take it to the person in question first.

[–]VicariousExp 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Politely ask her what the term is when a woman gropes a man's genitals or ass unsolicited or steals his underwear.

[–]HotDealsInTexas 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Comedy?"

-OP's teacher, possibly.

[–]VicariousExp 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How about the 26 women in this report that were sexually harassed by other women?

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/chapter-5-working-without-fear-results-sexual-harassment-national-telephone-survey-2012

[–]thrikreen80 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am a sociology instructor and I can tell you this is not right. In fact, every sociology book that I have read or own (to best of my knowledge), indicates sexual harassment as being unwanted sexual advances made by one individual to another, or something along those lines. In any rate they have been very gender/sex neutral with defining it, which they should be. Could I ask the question on if this is actually in your textbook as a definition? Or is this your instructor "defining" this? If it is your instructor defining this and not the book, I am sorry you have to be instructed by that person and also, in my opinion, a report should be made. If it is your book defining it this way, I would like to know the name of the book and author/s as this should actually be reported to the ASA, as this is an improper definition of sexual harassment. I know you have the power point point picture posted, however, some instructors just copy and paste from the book on the power point, which is the reason for me asking if it is coming from your instructor or coming from the book? Also, what class is this? Intro to sociology? Social Problems? Inequality?

[–]thrikreen80 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While we are talking about the subject, I will just leave this here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516869/Archie-Comics-CEO-Nancy-Silberkleit-didnt-harass-employees-WHITE-MEN.html

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