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Female paedophiles more prevalent than conviction rates suggest, leading forensic psychologist says

Claude_Reborn

April 28, 2015
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Title Female paedophiles more prevalent than conviction rates suggest, leading forensic psychologist says
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Claude_Reborn

Upvotes 337
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Date April 28, 2015 10:15 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
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[–]Clockw0rk 30 points31 points32 points 11 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

We have a cultural doctrine that "males always want/like sex". This is clear any time a female teacher gets caught having sex with underaged students and the general response is "Woo! Nice score buddy!".

There's no doubt in my mind that sexual abuse of young boys at the hands of female predators are vastly underreported because these boys are told by their peers and by the media that "That was a good thing! You wanted it, right?". Combine that with the mentality that "women can't rape men", and a clear bias in the criminal justice system for fewer convictions of female criminals and less severe punishments when they are convicted...

It's absolutely no surprise that male victims of sexual abuse are less likely to come forward to treat their own damage, let alone press charges against their predators.

[–]polysyllabist 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

DMHS: is one of the most egregious forms of gender policing, and to put it in perspective, imagine if it was used for women and not men.

It strips agency, choice and standards.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or that if you feel victimized by sex with an attractive woman, you must be gay.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Though I'm not saying that "males always want/like sex" isn't a thing that needs to be stopped, and female teachers fucking their underage make students isn't rape...

Recently, with news stories regarding these things, like those two(Or was it three?) male students fucking two teachers, you have to understand...

They did want it. Whenever you hear stories like that, even if you switch the genders, the student tends to actively have sex. There is no "rape" aside from statutory rape. The student isn't tied up, isn't being beaten, isn't forced to do anything. Of course, there are times where things like that do happen, but again, recently stories of teachers having sex with their students, it wasn't forced.

So, keep that in mind, I guess.

[–]Humankeg 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

That's why its called statutory rape and carries a lesser sentence, even for men. It is just ridiculous how often women get off with a slap on the wrist for the same crime though.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Damn right it's ridiculous. I really hate this double-standard, too. Like I said, with recent stories involving male students having sex with their female teachers, they're in to it, it's not forced, etc. I can easily sway people to go like "Oh, yeah, you're right. They did want it, eh?"

But when it's a female student having sex with a male teacher, it's suddenly so unbelievably hard to imagine that maybe, just maybe, the female student wasn't forced to do anything, and that she wanted it, and she is now always the victim.

[–]Humankeg 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Honestly though, statutory rape should hold the older person accountable even if it wasn't a violent rape and the under-age person did consent to it. There is something very different about a 13 year kid consenting to sex with a 30 year old and two 30 year olds consenting.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Eh, age of consent is a very iffy topic. Just going by laws, of course they should be punished. I don't exactly like it when people call willing people, ages 12-17, "victims" though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

12? Really? So you think that a willing twelve year old having sex with a 40 year old teacher isn't a victim?

There's a difference between thinking you're ready and being ready. That's why we have these laws in the first place, because kids aren't mature enough to know the difference. They have sex with each other just off thinking they're ready and other stupid reasons [and some people never grow out of these stupid reasons]. Adults however do or at least should know better.

There's also a huge difference in thinking you're ready and having sex with someone your own age, and thinking you're ready and having sex with an adult authority figure.

Both aren't ideal situations, but the latter can have far worse lasting negative effects. Again, that's why we have these laws in the first place.

Some people don't even see the effects, or realize them, until years after the fact. Gee, I wonder why... couldn't have anything to do with them being immature children, nope. They know exactly what they're doing like a 40 year old does! That 12 year old totally knew what affect it would have on him in 10 years. He's lived long enough to have such insights!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Since you have the word "willing", then yep. Not a victim. They wanted it. That's not being a victim. Someone wants to be killed? They get killed by someone they wanted to kill them? Not a victim. 12 year old wants to have sex with a 40 year old? Not a victim. Doesn't matter if they're not ready, or that they should perhaps know better. They're still not victims.

There's also a huge difference in thinking you're ready and having sex with someone your own age, and thinking you're ready and having sex with an adult authority figure.

Both aren't ideal situations, but the latter can have far worse lasting negative effects. Again, that's why we have these laws in the first place.

I'm sorry, but how? How is an underage person, doesn't even have to be 12, can be 17, 16, whatever, having sex with an old person "have far worse lasting negative effects"? What negative effects, for that matter?

Some people don't even see the effects, or realize them, until years after the fact

Again, what effects?

Gee, I wonder why... couldn't have anything to do with them being immature children, nope. They know exactly what they're doing like a 40 year old does! That 12 year old totally knew what affect it would have on him in 10 years. He's lived long enough to have such insights!

Whether or not they knew what they were doing is irrelevant. If someone wants something, no matter how bad it is or how unknowledgeable they are in how it could affect them, and they get it... They aren't victims. Well, least not victims in what they received. You could argue they were victims of ignorance and blah blah, but eh.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If someone wants something, no matter how bad it is or how unknowledgeable they are in how it could affect them, and they get it... They aren't victims.

With that logic, if someone gets drugs that they want and aren't educated about then they aren't victims of addictions and victims people trying to get them to ruin their lives for their own personal gain by selling them the drugs.

Being taken advantage of by someone in a position of power over you is damaging. It can ruin your trust in other people. These people are supposed to have your best interest in your mind, and when you eventually realize that they didn't it's emotionally damaging.

If you can't see that potential for problems, then there's no use talking to you. You simply view the world in black and white terms. No room in your mind for anything else. read this if you actually care

We need laws to protect the ones who would be negatively affected, we can't base laws on exceptions. We need to protect children that need it. And the ones who don't, can just wait a few extra years to have sex with adults, they'll live.

[–]Humankeg 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it if I had a son or daughter that was underage I would be absolutely livid if some person committed statutory rape on them. I actually think the age of consent should be a little higher

[–]jakelove12 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And when I was 5 years old I wanted to eat nothing but candy forever.

But it's thanks to my parents' good judgement that that didn't happen and I am still alive. The point is kids may want something, but they don't understand and are ill equipped to deal with the consequences of that thing.

That's why it's illegal, and the adult's responsibility to have more reasonable judgement and self control than a fucking child.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

And if you ate candy, and died, would you say you were a victim? A victim of what, then?

The point is kids may want something, but they don't understand and are ill equipped to deal with the consequences of that thing.

Sorry... The point is kids may want something, but generally they don't understand and are, again, generally, ill equipped to deal with the consequences of that thing.

Not saying you're wrong, on that part, but if someone wants something, and receives it, how are they victims?

That's why it's illegal, and the adult's responsibility to have more reasonable judgement and self control than a fucking child.

No question there. But again, not victims.

[–]jakelove12 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And if you ate candy, and died, would you say you were a victim? A victim of what, then?

Parental abuse for letting me make choices I wasn't prepared for and couldn't understand.

If somebody lets their 8 year old drive a car because they saw nascar once and want to be a race car driver, when there's a 10 car pile up on the highway, the parents would rightly be held responsible.

Kids are stupid. They can be victims of their own stupidity. They can be victims of their own stupidity enabled thanks to an irresponsible and equally stupid adult.

[–]ExpendableOne 17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

People who refuse to see women as paedophiles and rapists the same way they do men really are oblivious to just how sexist and delusional they are. Some like to point out that it's "different" because "boys always want it", but that's completely bullshit too(not to mention, being completely besides the point in so many regards).

If you had a male teacher give oral sex to a male or female student, he would have been called a rapist and a paedophile(and he would have gotten his ass kicked repeatedly and then probably shanked). If you had female teacher have sex, in any way, with either female or male students, it would virtually always be viewed as being innocent or harmless fun.

In cases where you had under-age girls who absolutely wanted to have sex with a male teacher, her consent didn't matter and the man was considered a rapist. In cases where you had under-age boys who didn't want to have sex with a female teacher, his lack of consent didn't matter because she was a woman. So the defining factor in these cases isn't even about protecting children from abuse but, rather, protecting women from any and all culpability while also attacking and demonizing the male gender in of itself.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I wonder how many women also sexually abuse females too. Feminists don't give a damn. I'm a woman and from age 8-14 my mother sexually abused me. Ironically, MRA's (of which I am one now) were the only people to take me seriously or not think I was straight out lying. We as a society are so consumed with perpetuating the "women are innocent and don't think like that" narrative that children of either gender are suffering. I am one of those that did. Even male police said I must have "misunderstood" and such, when I reported. And then never took it further.
Female perps are just as disgusting and prevalent I think as male perps. And need to be treated accordingly. But they never are. Sickens me.

[–]v8beetle 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You should check out the book "Redefining Rape," by Dr. Estelle Freedman. You're absolutely right in that feminists claim to care, but their actions suggest to the contrary as they're the ones who took ownership of the laws and definitions more than a century ago.

Also check out the Vagina Monologues controversy that got a student reporter fired in 2000 for criticising the lesbian rape of a 13 year old girl plied with alcohol.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I remember the VM scandal earlier, "if it was rape, it was good rape" line was removed and the age was changed. I will check out the book though! Thanks :)

[–]v8beetle 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're welcome.

[–]Imnotmrabut 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's been known from children reporting sexual abuse, the at least 17% of peadophiles are women. That little fact was revealed in 2009

Key findings continued In 2008/09, 54 per cent of children who called ChildLine said that their abusers were males and 17 per cent said that their abusers were females. Twenty-nine per cent of the children did not identify whether their abuser was male or female.

See Children talking to ChildLine about sexual abuse

For some strange reason the NSPCC have removed this one set of casenotes, but not removed other. It seems that Even The NSPCC is too scared to address the reality of female sexual abuse of children openly and honestly. The LInk is to archived copies of the original texts.

The Lucy Faithfull Foundation - the only UK charity that works with those who sex offend against children put the figure of female paedophiles in the 48,000 and 64,000 or higher. http://gu.com/p/2b9d3/stw

The Lucy Faithful Foundation is one of the very few places where you will find the existance of female peadophiles acknowledged. see "Adult Female Sexual Offenders"

They have been pushing the issue in the media for a decade - http://www.webcitation.org/6Y84tUgwr

Don't expect any outcry for SJW types or Feminists. As observed in 1994:

"While there are reasons why feminists limit discussions on the subject of women abusers, these reasons are valid only to feminism."

Michele Elliott (1994). Female Sexual Abuse of Children. Guilford Press. p. 100. ISBN 978-0-89862-004-7.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The rate for women is probably closer to Atleast 30%. That's just the reported figures of course.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My mom molested me when I was 7, I began psychiatry twice a week when I was 8. Did she even get a slap on the wrist? Of course not.

[–]8088XT8BIT 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is just more of the usual double standard. Sometimes it isn't what is stated in the media, but what isn't stated!

A bit dated, but gives some idea of what is going on. All the (tap on the wrist) charges and etc.

http://www.canadiancrc.com/Female_Sex_Offenders-Female_Sexual_Predators_awareness.aspx

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't think we should prosecute the women more, I think we should prosecute men less. People over the age of 14 are capable of understanding the risks of sex, and are capable of consenting.

[–]bogusboost 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Teenage brain is not fully developed yet.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-teen-brain-still-under-construction/index.shtml

Teenagers are more prone to risky behaviours than children or adults.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2396566/

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly, so what. If they understand, "I could get pregnant from this" and "I could get an STD from this", they're capable of making the choice to have sex.

[–]bogusboost 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course. If. I just don't think we should only look at the age when deciding whether a minor is able to consent. After all they cannot normally sign any other legally binding contracts.

[–]caius_iulius_caesar 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Plenty of 14-year-olds have better functioning brains than people twice their age.

[–]bogusboost 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of them do. I just don't think in case of minors it makes sense to have a fixed rule about when they can consent to sex with adults based solely on their age. One 14-year-old might be well developed emotionally and intellectually but another will not.

[–]ChromeWeasel 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

"Young adult woman targeting 13, 14, or 15-year-old males" is not pedophilia. Most likely the writer quoted the doctor and then sensationalized the article's title, invalidating the whole writeup.

There's blatant discrimination in these type of sex cases, but people need to distinguish actual pedophilia (sex with pre-pubescent children) from illegal consensual sex with minors. They are not in the same league.

[–]ARedthorn 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Granted, but we're in muddy waters here. Legally, many states don't differentiate- only psychologists really do. Morally, many people don't differentiate either between 12 (pre-pubescent) and 13 (mid-pubescent) as you do- again, only the psychologists really do.

The distinction may be important... And clearly is important to you... But is little more than semantics to most.

All in all, this is a minor complaint, I think. A valid one, but a minor one.

But then, I'm glass-half-full guy, and just happy to see the study get any attention at all.

[–]HumanRespect 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Age of consent is always a murky area because it's largely affected by cultural norms and society. In one country it's 13, in another 18, is any morally more right if it reflects the views of that society? To an extreme, go to remote tribe or community where there is no age of consent but it's normal, safe and helps bonding within that culture, are they morally inferior?

I feel age of consent is more of a social construct which doesn't make it any less value if its there to strengthen a society and that includes making children safe, confident and happy. I don't know if criminalising young adults, breaking up families because of blanket laws and telling a happy child that they should feel bad and dirty is necessarily achieving that. If two people through circumstances end up in love, one is 11 lets say, the other is 19. Perhaps their personal circumstances brought them together, over time they bonded, fell in love and as in any such relationship it turned sexual and mutual. The law would say that they should be broken apart, he should be jailed and she should learn that what they did was wrong and dirty and he was a bad man. The result in this case happens to be she becomes afraid of sex, relationships, has confidence and mental issues well into adulthood. Was that application of the law in her interest, his interest or society's interest? How about 11 and 45 year old since a 25 and 45 year old are both adults.

I don't know the right answers but in my mind it's such a complex area that I don't know if hard laws are always the right answer. More focus should be on sex education and I mean not just biology but also relationships.

And here's another controversial element. Are pedophiles bad people? A pedophile is someone with a sexual attraction to a child. That's not the same thing as rapist of course since the overwhelming majority of pedophiles are normal law abiding people.

So for this thread are we talking about pedophiles who are attracted to children like most people are attracted to adults and so attraction as in love, affection, wanting to protect and care for and with that a sexual dimension as most people would have towards someone they love and are attracted to or are we talking about sex offenders? Bear in mind sex offenders are more often opportunistic abusers of any sexuality, people with personality disorders that makes them want to dominate, perhaps hurt or control others? A teacher might be a heterosexual with a partner and still have a sexual relationship with a student because they enjoy that feeling of dominating and controlling another or might be pedophile who falls in love with a student. Are both equal?

I really don't know. I've heard so many arguments but I do question whether the pedophile hysteria is almost a red herring when people should think about the bigger picture of whether all such relationships are bad, whether the response is even worse, whether people are taking pitchforks to the innocent people while turning a blind eye to the real dangers.

[–]ricky251294 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't remember where, but I think the distinguishing term for post pubescent but still under 18 is hebephilia

[–]Hypersapien 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

For the record, do you consider it pedophilia for young adult men to target 13, 14 or 15 year old females?

And what exactly are you considering to be "young adult"?

[–]ChromeWeasel 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pedophilia is sexual attraction to pre-pubescent individuals. BY DEFINITION it is not going to target 13-15 year olds. Those are young adults that are generally biologically capable of sexual reproduction.

You can make sex with minors illegal. That's not in any way the same thing as pedophilia.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are countries where the age of consent is 13-15, like Spain or Sweden and most of Europe. Are the law makers in these countries pedophiles?

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