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We Are Doomed: Hillary Clinton Retains Strong Appeal To American Women

wiseprogressivethink

March 23, 2015
33 upvotes
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/182081/hillary-clinton-retains-strong-appeal-american-women.aspx?utm_source=Politics&utm_medium=newsfeed&utm_campaign=tiles
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Title We Are Doomed: Hillary Clinton Retains Strong Appeal To American Women
Author

wiseprogressivethink

Upvotes 33
Comments 52
Date March 23, 2015 5:35 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–]Claude_Reborn 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't piss your pants just yet.

Hillary is horribly tin eared and and says incredibly stupid and horrible things when she goes of script. A large part of the democratic establishment loathe her.

She'll get smashed in the primaries by someone younger and more likable.

[–]MattClark0995 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

"She'll get smashed in the primaries by someone younger and more likable."

Not really. The only other Dems who have shown any interest or taking any steps in preparing for a primary are gaffe prone Joe Biden, Bernie socialist Sanders, Martin O'malley and Jim Webb.

None of these people are particularly young and they all are something that is going to turn a lot of Dems off....they are dreaded white males.

In addition, money rules elections and Clinton is dominating the donor base right now. I honestly don't see how any other Dem candidate is going to be able to catch up to her.

[–]AlphaWookie 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dems have not nominated a front runner for a long time. It is just not the nature of the parties base. Barack(unexpected), Bill(come back kid), Jimmy(not part of the Washington game no Watergate stink), LBJ(an accident), JFK(Camelot an newly minted Senator), Truman(accident), FDR(fifth party system created a new democratic voting block), and Wilson(lead the new "progressive" movment to power). Grover Cleveland was the last establishment dem. to take the White House back in 1893 that was 122 years ago. Hillary does not stand a chance please consider the American public does not like three consecutive terms from the same party the repubs actually have a better record of pulling that off than dems.

[–]guywithaccount 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

As a whole, Dems don't hate white men so much that they wouldn't vote for Sanders - though he's left of the party and would probably lose some votes on that account. Biden is a joke and the other two are nobodies.

[–]JoeBidenBot -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While I consider myself to be a benevolent-ish dictator, I have no choice but to introduce a battery of oppressive security measures.

[–]JoeBidenBot 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

[–]Claude_Reborn 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now is time to watch who is going to throw their hat into the ring.

All the people you mentioned won't run. That's just media wank

[–]sailorJery 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Where was Barack Obama at during his initial run for president at this point in time in the election cycle?

[–]MattClark0995 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Gearing up for a presidential run I believe. As I said, the only ones who are preparing for a run on the Dem side are Sanders, O'malley, Biden and Webb.

Four white guys trying to knock the crown from Hillary in the Democratic primary...not going to happen.

[–]sailorJery 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a severe underestimation of Hillary's polarization of large portion of the electorate. She might win the nomination, she'll lose a general election unless the GOP runs an insulting bad ticket like McCain/Palin

[–]MattClark0995 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't get me started on McCain/Palin. Can't believe that was actually a ticket. smfh

I can see someone like Walker, Paul or Rubio winning but Ted Cruz just announced he is running for president. smfh again

Almost anyone is better than Hillary but if R's are dumb and nominate a clown like Cruz or Santorum she'll win despite all of her baggage.

[–]johndeer89 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I guarantee Warren will run.

[–]AlphaWookie 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

She will not she has said no so many times it is not even funny.

[–]johndeer89 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm betting when Hillary makes a fool of herself on the main stage, Warren is going to have a change of heart and say that she needs to step in and save the election for the democrats. I'm betting money that Hillary turns into a Romney-esc candidate where half the primary voters want anybody but her, and another third is just voting for her because they want the person with the most money going into the general.

[–]AlphaWookie 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Politics is not a Hollywood movie.

[–]johndeer89 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And politicians aren't known for keeping they're word.

[–]AlphaWookie 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

so pre-crime?

[–]MattClark0995 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Don't know what's so great about Warren but she is about Hillary's age and has said repeatedly that she is not running for president.

Isn't she also one of the women who signed that "ready for Hillary" letter in congress? Why would she want Hillary to run if she was planning on running?

[–]johndeer89 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think she's just gearing up. It's extremely common for people to say they're not running, then wait for the opportune time. I'm guessing she'll hold out on a few debates, then jump in on the day of a major straw poll to knock the steam out of the winner (assuming it's Hillary).

[–]MattClark0995 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If she was going to run she would have to announce very soon. She might have more appeal than Hillary but that won't matter if the Clinton has nearly all of the donors.

[–]SweetiePieJonas 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have heard that the reason Hillary hasn't announced yet is that she hasn't locked up all the donors yet. There's also apparently some difficulty getting a staff together, as many people from the Obama machine aren't necessarily lining up behind Clinton.

[–]johndeer89 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Think about Rick Perry. He didn't announce his candidacy until the Iowa straw poll and he jumped to the front of the race.

[–]MattClark0995 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As many critics have already said before, she is playing that gender card, specifically "gender equity" (aka women's equity) card as much as she can to make up for her lack of accomplishments.

I've noticed that nearly every time she is giving a speech, usually a paid 200K+ speech, she whines about how "bad" women have it to her majority female audience...usually on college campuses which are, on average, 60% female.

It's pathetic but at the same time pretty clever and women are loving her for it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

One word:

Benghazi.

Just keep posting her saying "who cares that people died?"

And keep reminding people she did way too much business in an unarchived private email.

[–]MattClark0995 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This is far more damaging than Benghazi or even her private server imo.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy. Fucking. Fuck.

[–]johndeer89 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I think this is what will knock her out of the primaries.

[–]MattClark0995 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Again her challengers (so far) seem to be Bernie Sanders, Martin O'Malley, Jim Webb and Joe Biden.

4 white guys are not going to knock the crown from Hillary regardless of how much baggage she has. And even if they were able to manage a decent campaign against her, Hillary has the Dem donor base virtually locked down. How does a Dem challenger win with her lock on most of the donors?

[–]JoeBidenBot 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Get that thing I sent you?

[–]MattClark0995 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

???

[–]JoeBidenBot 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Siiii.

[–]johndeer89 -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dems aren't as excited about her as a lot of people think. A lot of major donors go with who they think will win the primary. I'm betting that Warren is going to wait for Hillary to make the Dems uneasy about her on the ticket, then swoop in and look like she's saving the party.

[–]Piroko 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Remember Vile Rat.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Who?

[–]Piroko 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

...

Sean Smith? Information Officer, US Embassy Libya? KIA Sep 11, 2012?

Former member of the EVE Online CSM?

Glenn Beck claiming that Goonswarm and SomethingAwful are fronts for the CIA?

You'll have a much easier time opposing Hillary if you appeal to the gamergate crowd. Link her policies to anti-gaming social justice.

[–]shadowboxer47 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One word: Benghazi. Just keep posting her saying "who cares that people died?"

The only people who care about Benghazi are the people who would vote against her to begin with.

It doesn't help that the GOP House basically cleared the administration of any wrong doing (and rightfully so).

[–]KngpinOfColonProduce 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What a winning streak of Presidents.

[–]guywithaccount 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Brought to you by the 1%.

[–]NUMBERS2357 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

It looks to me like a story about Dems liking Hillary, Republicans disliking her, and the (not that big) gender split being mostly about more women being Dems. Nothing in here is unusual for someone being the frontrunner for one of the parties.

[–]wiseprogressivethink[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

The gender split is huge, bro. 25 points.

[–]Samurai007_ 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly... a 25 point difference in approval between men and women is a massive split. Men need to counterbalance that if they want to defeat her. As it is, if men are evenly split and 25% more women vote for her than her opponent, Hillary wins. Men need to become as lopsided against her as women are for her just to bring it back to even.

[–]rg57 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I lived in the US, I don't think I could vote for any party.

Here, I just vote for a fringe party so my disgust is registered officially.

[–]IgnatiusBSamson 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

if men are evenly split

They won't be. Hillary does not do well with men, especially working-class whites, which she needs to at least not lose entirely if she wants to win the election. Same with Hispanics - Clintons are weaker there than Obama ever was.

Granted, the alternative will be some asshole.

[–]MattClark0995 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure she has decent numbers now, but if you remember back to 2008 she was running neck and neck with horrible candidate John McCain for all of the primary season.

She has nice numbers now because of her massive name recognition and her baggage (such as giving 200K+ speeches, lack of any real accomplishments and laughing on tape after getting a child rapist off with a slap on the wrist sentence) isn't known by most Americans.

That said, she's going to play that "gender equity" card as often as possible to make up for her lack of accomplishments and many women are going to love her for it.

[–]NUMBERS2357 -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The gender split in the 2012 election was 18 points. It's bigger than that, but if you attribute 18 points to women being more pro-Democrats, and 7 points to Hillary-specific stuff, then it's still mostly about the parties.

[–]MattClark0995 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Gender split, by your own link, was +11 points.

[–]NUMBERS2357 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It says men went 52-45 Romney, women 55-44 Obama. That's men are +7 for Romney, women +11 for Obama, for 18 points. That methodology of deciding the gap might seem a little weird, but it's the same as how you come up with a 25 point gender gap on Hillary (in both cases, the maximum gap is 200 points).

[–]TheRabid 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's say she wins. Are you really saying that the government will "work" to downplay men more? Wouldn't that require the government to work?

[–]MET1 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And who exactly has been answering their landlines for these? Really these surveys are losing validity more and more each day.

[–]x-mencollector -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ha!! You think it matters who you vote for? Please go watch george Carlin again on that matter.

[–]wiseprogressivethink[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't get all my beliefs from dead hippie comedians, thanks.

[–]azazelcrowley -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If she's anything like most politicians, the fact she's talking endlessly about this means she wont' actually do anything about it. Actually doing things is controversial, endlessly promising to do something can win you votes until the electorate catches on. So she'll waffle about womens rights for 8 years as a distraction to some other goal, probably deregulating some industry or giving a bunch of moneys to a friend. It's the people who don't have the womens vote on lockdown that'll actually DO stuff about womens rights.

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