~ archived since 2018 ~

About Feminism

August 10, 2022
8 upvotes

How many of you actually subscribe to feminism and why?

TheRedArchive is an archive of Red Pill content, including various subreddits and blogs. This post has been archived from the subreddit /r/AllPillDebate.

/r/AllPillDebate archive

Download the post

Want to save the post for offline use on your device? Choose one of the download options below:

Post Information
Title About Feminism
Author bludkraze
Upvotes 8
Comments 52
Date August 10, 2022 8:57 AM UTC (3 months ago)
Subreddit /r/AllPillDebate
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/AllPillDebate/about-feminism.1139694
https://theredarchive.com/post/1139694
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/AllPillDebate/comments/wksgpy/about_feminism/
Red Pill terms in post
Comments

[–]truthstobetold 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I do! In the old sense I guess. As long as long as the woman voice is equal to that of a man, and vice versa, we don't really need feminism. However we should know about the history and how there's is still places around the world in which women are looked downed upon.

Grammar and spelling is not really working at the moment, sorry.

[–]bludkrazeRED AF[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's a very adult take. Thanks for your opinion on that.

[–]truthstobetold 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you for telling me that :)

[–]bludkrazeRED AF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

youre welcome

[–]TryLambda 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

At last a unicorn woman that admits women don’t need feminism in the modern world

[–]truthstobetold 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup, however some places of our earth aren't in the modern world anymore, these places do need to accept women as equal as well as men not confirming to the norms.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I am not subscribed to any of it.

If anything related to feminism,I have joined some organization but that is about women health and menstruation as it is kind of taboo in my country so I guess that doesn't count.

I don't even understand why some people join it just to argue against them.Thats waste of time as their opinion will not be changed.

[–]bludkrazeRED AF[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for your opinion and i guess i fully agree on that.

[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What country do yıu live in?

[–]rurunoa 3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

i subscribe to it however not to liberal feminism. i think intersectional feminism is very important, people seem to forget that women outside of america and western europe exist and that these women are actually the majority. even living in the west wont help you if you’re underage and your parents threaten to send you back to your home country to marry your cousin who is 20 years older than you

[–]bludkrazeRED AF[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

I get it. There is a point in feminism about the 80s in the west where i see definitely a point of diminishing returns. Modern feminism is a bad joke and i believe sometimes straight up evil.

There is countries around the world that arent there yet thats true. But hateful feminists in the US especially use those examples to push their ridicolous agenda in the west. Thats where i have to draw the line.

[–]rurunoa 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

its not just diminishing returns but a lot of things that liberal feminists promote are detrimental to women, especially if they are labeled as feminist and empowering acts just because the woman chooses to do them. even within feminist circles this is a huge debate and personally i do not think that just because a woman chose to do it it is empowering/feminist especially things such as casual sex and sex work

[–]bludkrazeRED AF[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Fully agree. I think a lot of those things that modern feminists promote are not even feminism issues in the first place. Thats why i dont support feminism in its current iteration. I think were past that. Call it humanity or egalitarianism or whatever. But whatever this is the word doesnt describe it any more. Or actually has it ever? not sure about that.

[–]rurunoa 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

i mean this is why so many subtypes of feminism exist. at its core feminism has still the same meaning. but people add their own views on what is feminist and call it all feminism. (apart from equal opportunities and rights) one feminist might think having an OF is a win for women and super empowering while another feminist wants sex work to be abolished. both women will say the other woman isn’t actually feminist.

but i do think the word feminism has its place especially where oppression against women is rampant and using egalitarian takes away the focus from women specific issues

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Having travelled a lot, the progressive countries and considerably better functioning and happier places to live.

The UK Isn't amazingly progressive - but the dating woes we have here pale in comparison to America's.

For example I have never felt compelled to have dinner dates and have the man pay, I feel comfortable asking men out and rarely get slut shamed.

I'm also happy that my daughter will be dating boys and men who have had sufficient sex education and education about consent. It's a lot better than what I had and I am grateful for that.

[–]Marzipan-Happy 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Any group that takes ideologies to an extreme without forethought or logic is idiotic.

Feminism, the manosphere, Maga, extreme left, religion, You name it.

I belive women should earn what men do, that they have the right to vote, I belive that women deserve bodily autonomy, and that menstruation should not be treated as shameful.

I am not a feminist.

[–]bludkrazeRED AF[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I belive that women deserve bodily autonomy

I believe that too its just that men and women on certain issues cant agree what exactly bodily autonomy is in those cases.

[–]Marzipan-Happy 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Contraception I think falls under bodily autonomy, but not abortion, because after about 13-15 weeks the brain develops, and imo, that's a person at that point and no longer just simply replicating genetic material.

A woman should have the ability to decide if she wants to put her body though the process of pregnancy and birth, and have the ability to control her menstrual cycle, which for some women, like myself, can be a nightmare, not because of mood swings or cramps, but because of the flood of biblical proportions if you catch my meaning.

Pregnancy is also hard, Throwing up, bodily pain, and giving birth is pretty shitty.

Or she simply may have the self awareness to know she would be a really lousy mother.

A woman should be able to make that choice for herself, full stop.

[–]bludkrazeRED AF[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Fully agree. I think abortions after 12 weeks are barbaric

[–]Marzipan-Happy 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I have four kids, my last child was a "happy accident " horribly timed, the result of having sex once in three months, she was a valentines baby. I didn't realize I was pregnant with her until I was about three months in. Based on circumstances I know a few people that would have terminated it, but she's a pretty neat, cuddly 7 year old ( who is currently spending her days pretending she's a wolf cub) She was a premie, born not breathing and with no heartbeat, But recovered amazingly, and amazingly fast, and out of all my kids, is the one who almost never gets sick.

I was taking care of my mom at the time, who was living with us temporarily, she just had lobe of her lung removed for cancer and had a heart attack on the table during the surgery. My one year old son also had just had two throat surgeries. I was so busy I didn't realize I had missed my periods, and I thought my sickness and exhaustion was stress. (On top of having two other kids)

I'm glad that we figured it out too late. HOWEVER, I insisted my husband get a vasectomy, and he enthusiastically agreed.

[–]Wide_Result9679 6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

A woman had to pretend to be a dude to run a marathon in the '60s because women weren't allowed to. Of course feminism was necessary.

The modern wave is also relevant to me. #metoo let women (and men!) know they weren't alone in being assaulted or harassed and were supported if they spoke up. OnlyFans has allowed some women (and men!) to make a great living in a field where performers were often ridiculously underpaid and didn't have distribution rights to their own videos. Body positivity can go too far imo (a friend of mine had people unfollow her on social media for losing weight for her health, GOD FORBID) but people have given fat people far too much shit for far too long a time.

And we still have loads of men who like to say women belong in the home, women shouldn't work, women should be submissive, etc. So yeah, feminism is still needed.

[–]bludkrazeRED AF[S] -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

If you support metoo I can't take you seriously.

[–]Wide_Result9679 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I know too many people who have been raped. If we can make it a trend to actually get justice for people, I'm all for that.

And IDC if you don't take me seriously, Reddit stranger.

[–]bludkrazeRED AF[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's a literal cult designed to extract money from wealthy men. Half the women that speak for that thing are predators.

[–]Ihatereeddiitt 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Do women not get raped?

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i hope that no one on this sub seriously promotes rape as a moderator but far as i know most of metoo is just "holy shit an ugly dude hit on me i'm suicidal!!" or a cheap way to send a fucker to the unemployment office without paying for postage (possibly after sucking his cock for a promotion.)

[–]EulenWatcher 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm a feminist, because it's the only movement that pushes for women's rights where I live. I'm not from the US.

[–]bludkrazeRED AF[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So where are you from?

[–]EulenWatcher 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

One of Asian regions.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is there communist movement in Asia? Communist women usually support women liberation and they are better than feminist because they do want to get rid of the underlying issue of women oppression which is private property

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Communist women usually support women liberation and they are better than feminist

Any proof?

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

is this asia

[–]EulenWatcher 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Kind of.

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The ideology or the basic definition? Because I think men and women should have equal rights, but I don't subscribe to any of the broader ideology behind feminist philosophy, like the patriarchy theory which is hardly an accurate or precise theory that describes mens and women's issues in society, historically speaking and it's definition is especially not descriptive of modern progressive countries like the one I live in… where women as a group are definitely not oppressed. I've had feminists try to tell me that Norway is a patriarchy and it usually boils to them grasping at straws like arguing that societal gender expectations exists that causes different unequal outcomes for men and women and incorrectly conflating that with patriarchy. If I lived in a patriarchy men and women wouldn't largely have the same opportunities to begin with, and that's usually where the conversation ends. That said, that's not to say that men and women don't still face issues.. but yeah, I feel like feminism by large isn't the solution to the issues women face, and it's definitely not the solution to the issues men face. I also think feminists are naive to think that women and men can have the same outcomes when they want to make vastly different choices in life due to differences in their sexes, aka reproductive ability. (Controversial take I know).

[–]Sure-Vermicelli4369 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe in equality for women.

But that's not what feminism means anymore.

[–]Search-United 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No not really modern feminism is a joke especially in the west

[–]Peacesquad 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lmao nice joke

[–]bludkrazeRED AF[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why do you think its a joke?

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is a fucking joke. Women don’t even like it lmao

[–]_Jucia 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Me! 23F, African intersectional feminist here... many reasons actually... but at the core of everything, I want to be able to make my own choices, live in the world freely, as well as feel and be safe.

[–]catniagara 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m a feminist.

Why? Well that’s a novel.

I’m a feminist because my brother was allowed to go out for teams and I wasn’t because there weren’t any girls teams.

I’m a feminist because my brother was handed job after job because he was a boy and I was repeatedly told “girls can’t do landscaping” and “girls can’t paint houses”. Apparently girls can’t push ONE button in a factory either. So while he could afford to buy a car by the time he was 14, I was always broke.

I’m a feminist because I was a beautiful young girl who got accused of sleeping with every teacher to get a grade and every boss to get a job. And often the harassment got so bad I quit.

I’m a feminist because the dress code ONLY applies to girls who look like me, and is meant to deny us an education so people can devalue us and say we’re stupid later. Because half the girls in my classes had their bras hanging out and I got a suspension for having the top button of my uniform undone. And I got another suspension for “not wearing a bra” from a principle who knew some psycho guy had cut the strap.

I’m a feminist because when my best friend was raped the cops said nobody would believe her because “who can blame a guy, when you walk around looking like that?”

That’s also why I attend slutwalk because of the girl who publicized that behaviour on the part of Toronto police.

I’m a feminist because 45% of rape victims are male and if we can’t get justice for female victims what chance do they have of being believed?

I’m a feminist because if we keep raising sons the way we’re raising them now they will continue to bring guns to school, run over people with cars, normalize drug abuse and rape.

I’m a feminist because of men like Bob Ross and Fred Rogers and Jim Henson, who saw the problems with toxic masculinity and did real work to change the way men interacted with women and with each other. I still remember an episode where Ross said “when you go home don’t hit your wife, don’t kick your dog, you can bang your brushes off the canvas and you’ll feel better”

I’m a feminist because when the low self-esteem, high manipulation PUA movement showed up, far too many men were overly excited about living in an ever-shrinking circle of hatred and distrust toward women, DESPITE how hard those men worked to teach them differently.

I’m a feminist because Care Bears taught me everyone has special talents that I should recognize and I felt kinda lied to when I grew boobs.

I’m a feminist because the kind of men who are a threat to just and fair society hate feminists. So they must be doing something right.

I’m a feminist because every man I ever saw threaten or abuse someone liked throwing the word “feminist” around as an insult and I thought “ah! So that’s how I repulse them!”

I’m a feminist because many men (and some women) still describe sexual harassment and even rape as a privilege.

I’m a feminist because you can safely have sex with feminist men without them destroying your life.

Because conservative dudes often have passive aggressive narcissistic moms.

And for only about a hundred other reasons every single day.

I literally “subscribe”….to 6 different feminist publications and I own all of Debbie Stoller’s books, AND Roxanne Gay’s eyebrow wiggle

Why. 😊 cuz.

[–]bludkrazeRED AF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m a feminist because when the low self-esteem, high manipulation PUA movement showed up, far too many men were overly excited about living in an ever-shrinking circle of hatred and distrust toward women, DESPITE how hard those men worked to teach them differently.

Same can be said about the feminist movement. A lot of old school feminists are saying modern feminism ruins what they have built.

I’m a feminist because you can safely have sex with feminist men without them destroying your life.

Thats the thing tho because you cant have sex with feminist women without the real risk to have your life ruined.

I’m a feminist because if we keep raising sons the way we’re raising them now they will continue to bring guns to school, run over people with cars, normalize drug abuse and rape.

Thats an issue thats mostly tied to single mother (parent) homes and its a direct followup to some of the issues feminism brought upon people.

[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do not believe in feminism. I do not support something that is against my self interest. I have no interest in supporting feminism since females don’t care about me, why should I care about them?

[–]gilamonster69 -1 points0 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think there is a need for it in the first place. Look at it now!! It is eating itself out like a self serving lesbian. Feminism stems from communism and the pipe dream of trying to redefine nature to suit one demography over the all others. The results of it are more unhappy people in the world.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

feminism does not share the roots of communism. it was part of the NSDAP platform. it was present in the 19th c. united states and was not opposed by mcCarthyism during the cold war.

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe not originally.

But you’d be hard pressed now to find a woman who claims to be a feminist that doesn’t also follow some sort of Marxist thinking.

Feminism and Marxism now overlap almost entirely.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

even conservatives nowadays bend over backwards to feminism

[–]gilamonster69 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes and so was Stalins idealism.

[–]Drive-By-CuckersWhitePill 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Lmao feminism is a specifically liberal ideology. Soviet Communism is centrally planned, meaning the government tells you what the fuck your job is and when to do it and how much you get payed

Feminism is specifically about women being given more autonomy. It originated in a democracy. It also has nothing to do with redefining nature, just societal expectations, which are the opposite of nature

[–]gilamonster69 -2 points-1 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yes and in order to get women into the work force. You first have to demonise the housewife and you definitely have to romanticise work.

It has a-lot to do with redefining nature, the man is the head of the family and the woman rightfully should be his helper and partner, but feminism wanted to elevate the woman’s status over the man. While demonising patriarchy.

[–]Drive-By-CuckersWhitePill 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It’s nature for a peasant to serve a king and yet if I was born a serf I’d be rebelling…

It’s unnatural for anyone to desire to be subservient. If I was born a woman I sure as hell wouldn’t want to just be a “helper” for some dude. Just treat others how you would want to be treated in their situation, that is the golden rule of life

[–]gilamonster69 -2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

We all have our lot in life, i want to be a winner of a singing talent contest, but i was born without the looks or voice, but hey!! I am good at writing songs, so i can be a helper to the people who have the stage X factor. And knowing in my heart that my songs are resting belted by them is enough!! We work together to create something beautiful. Just as a man and woman work together to create a home that leads to a family. Thank you for making my point.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

© TheRedArchive 2022. All rights reserved.
created by /u/dream-hunter