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From a utilitarian perspective, is polygamy the best option as a dating structure?

September 1, 2022
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Title From a utilitarian perspective, is polygamy the best option as a dating structure?
Author Antisocial_Nihilist
Upvotes 2
Comments 38
Date September 1, 2022 10:15 AM UTC (3 months ago)
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[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The fuck? Hell no it's the worst option ever.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Here's the thing though... it already is like that.

We already have a large underclass of permanently single men who will never be pairing with any women. 41% of millinial men in Japan identify as being involuntarily celibate. And although its causing a lot of unhappiness for a certain demographic of males, nothing is really happening but an increase in the grumbling. They just seclude themselves in porn, anime, and video games. While women and upper-class men enjoy great sex, relationships, and family lives.

Women are happier in Japan now that they no longer face the social pressures of having to "settle" for man they want nothing to do with. The top 40% of men are happy that they are getting way more women. So from a utilitarian perspective, the majority are more happy.

So if the government can devise methods to subjugate and control this underclass of men and keep them from getting violent, then a polyamorous dating market is easily the utilitarian solution.

And I'm saying this as a man in this "underclass". I'm not telling you this because I support it. I'm just saying this, because it is reality and there is no escaping it. I'm quite terrified of the future.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Correction, 60% of millennial men in Japan are HERBIVORE men, which is voluntarily celibate, not incel. They've walked away entirely a la MGTOW. Women pay through the nose for male escorts in Japan, there are 300 male escort bars in Tokyo alone, more than anywhere else in the world COMBINED.

[–]boomershack 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women pay through the nose for male escorts in Japan

Women are gonna be paying to share a man... lmao damn.

[–]VasiliyZaitzev 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are happier in Japan now that they no longer face the social pressures of having to "settle" for man they want nothing to do with.

Until....

[–]BoogersAndSugar 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Damn right! The socioeconomic consequences would be catastrophic.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

More than that, ever wonder why no openly polygamic culture is a hyperpower, superpower, or even a regional power? They're fucking unstable af. Forget economic collapse, civilizations based on that shit collapse in every way imaginable, and the ones that don't are in no way competitive with societies that practice monogamy as a rule. The decline of monogamy is dragging us down.

Of course the tradcons blame it on the decline of PATRIARCHY but Patriarchy only ever stole credit from monogamy and forever tries to fraudulently conflate the two. Which is why we have so much intersection between MRAs and tradcons SMDH

[–]shreyastalpade 5 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

It's best for desirable men and all women.

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Up to a point. It’s actually unhealthy for society due to the amount of male rage it generates.

[–]shreyastalpade 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

No one really cares about male rage, that's just how the reality is.

[–]SwaySh0t 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Until another school or mall gets shot up.

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

My point exactly.

As the amount of young men getting no pussy ever increases, so too do incidents of male rage.

It isn’t just school shootings, it’s smaller things like murder, rape, assault, armed burglary etc. General violence.

[–]shreyastalpade 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those things will die down after few days.

[–]RealNiceLady 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No, women prefer monogamy.

[–]shreyastalpade 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only after they have been through a lot(after a lot has been inside her).

[–]VasiliyZaitzev -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Officially". Unofficially, a lot of women are Alpha Fux, Beta Bux.

[–]RealNiceLady 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Alpha Fucks-Beta Bucks is still intended monogamy on women's end. They think they are his one and only.

[–]Necessary-Worry1923 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nihilist, polygyny is already happening even outside Mormon cults in Utah. Rich guys like Elon Musk and Leonardo DiCaprio are swimming in an excess of female sex partners who can't wait to get their turn to hop on their carousels and ride the horsey. Elon even had a threesome with Cara and Amber. Talk about polygyny with 2 hot females. https://www.google.com/amp/s/pagesix.com/2020/06/17/johnny-depp-amber-heard-had-threesome-with-cara-delevingne-and-elon-musk/amp/

Only rich and famous men can have this privilege. Lower class dudes are going to suffer a woman drought.

However as the women age and their sexual value decreases they end up settling for Mr. GOODENOUGH Ala Lori Gottlieb. In their prime women are hypergamous seeking out rich and famous men, racking up high body counts.

When they age and decline, they realize they have to settle. They assume HYPOGAMY after hitting the wall just so they can have a family. Their monogamy phase has begun, and they scramble in their friendzone to find some loser Beta Orbiter who will wife them up.

[–]boomershack 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

polygamy is already happening and is natural when society is breaking apart. Most (not all) women would rather share a man than be with an average dude or alone.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Polygamy already happening just without permission of their partner.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Frankly, it's not going to be a blood bath.

Most undesirable men are low testosterone, fat and pacified with porn and games. Polygamy is already happening. Low value men just hide and placate themselves with illusions.

My prediction, is men will opt out of society. The tax base is heavily reliant on men working, so the government will collapse.

Women will lose faith in both men and government and be drugged with anti-depressants, while the birth rate plummets.

A new nation will either emerge from the ashes after the collapse, or another nation will take over without much resistance.

[–]Purple-Heiss 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Although it's true that many lonely men would do nothing. I think a large percentage of them could become quite disruptive, in many ways.

[–]BoogersAndSugar 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is exactly what's going to happen. All the ugly and short guys will simply check out of the game - no more kids to support, no more dating game spending (purchases men make in hopes of "attracting" a mate), and no more ambition to succeed beyond the minimum required to have a roof over their heads + personal entertainment. These guys only need to be about 20% of the total male population to crash the economy and collapse the government.

[–]VasiliyZaitzev 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Frankly, it's not going to be a blood bath.

Correct.

Most undesirable men are low testosterone, fat and pacified with porn and games

They would advance hundreds of feet toward their objective before running out of breath. Really, it would be easier for these dudes to fix their diets and hit the gym than it would be to have a "revolution."

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I would argue they wouldn't even get out of bed. They'll probably look at their sex doll, then look outside at the burning buildings, and decide, fuck it, ill just jerk one off then go back to sleep. Path of least resistance.

[–]VasiliyZaitzev 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The more I see, the more I am convinced that this planet is some other planet's hell.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm with you there brother! Actually, the more I see, the more I'm convinced the devil is real. And that's actually what's pushing me to become more religious. I went from an atheist to a theist recently. Crazy that's the way I start to believe in God lol.

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

How do men opt out when they have to work for a living? I've never understood that.

[–]VasiliyZaitzev 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you only have to think about feeding yourself, and maybe a dog, and you aren't interested in attracting a mate, then you don't have to spend money on cars, houses, living in the "right neighborhood" and vacationing in France. Plenty of guys can live cheap in the "whatever economy" (there's probably a name for it, but whatever it is called I have no idea) where they take time off, then go work in an Amazon warehouse or at Starbucks or whatever (so not truly retail, but certainly itinerant, because it doesn't have to be customer facing).

[–]HodgekinWhitePill -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know the joke? Men will live in a cardboard box if he could still fuck a women.

Here's some things to think about.

Married men make more money than unmarried men.

80% of consumer spending is decided by women.

Men generally make more money by working longer hours. Not by working smarter.

Tax base is heavy subsidized by men. Net average, men pay more into taxes each year than they take out. Women, take out more in taxes than they put in.

Men opting out is like basically men not working as much. They will work to sustain themselves. They can get their dopamine hits from virtual e girls, sex dolls, porn and video games.

No more spending money to appeal to the opposite sex when you gave up on dating. No more working dangerous and difficult jobs. There will be a shortage of men in the labor force. Things like building projects will be halted. Roads will take years to get paved. New infracturer will cease to be made. Product delivery will be delayed by days and weeks.

It's very unlikely that women will pick up the slack. They will probably protest the government to print more money and give handouts for people to afford higher and higher cost of goods. Which in turn, will exacerbate the problem, spiraling the economy faster into collapse.

[–]Silver_Took32 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think the correct word is polyamory but your use of polygamy betrays your actual intent.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

They are pretty much synonyms of each other, but I think that may have been a better word to use in the title.

[–]Silver_Took32 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Polygamy: the practice or condition of having more than one wife

Polyamory: the practice or condition of have more than one serious romantic or sexual relationship with the knowledge and consent of all partners

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That last bit is the important one. Polyamory requires the knowledge and consent of all partners while polygamy, which is illegal in the US, is associated with misogynistic traditions and sometimes sex trafficking.

[–]bludkrazeRED AF -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

is associated with misogynistic traditions and sometimes sex trafficking.

No thats what you link to it.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

is associated with misogynistic traditions and sometimes sex trafficking.

misogyny is when you have a lot of women and the more women you have the misogynisticker it is

[–]VasiliyZaitzev 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

is polygamy the best option as a dating structure?

The question is, best option for who?

For average to low status men? It would suck. The bottom 10% who don't get shit now? Wouldn't affect them. But Joe average would not be able to get anywhere near the type of woman he could under an enforced monogamy situation.

For lower status women they would be able to have access to higher status men.

Higher status men would have access to more women.

Ultra high-status women might be negatively effected but not nearly as badly as low to medium status men. A top-tier woman might be able to enforce monogamy but Ultra Chad likely won't put up with it.

I run a soft-harem now - they know about each other - and assuming I wanted to, I could move as many of them in as I could afford. It's not complicated. High status men (whether based on looks, game or $) are only limited in this by their $ and that they may not get every woman they want to agree to it.

[–]RealNiceLady 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If men don't even like Chad getting more sex than them, how would they feel if that situation was made permanent through marriage?

[–]fnonpm 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't care as long as full sense vr comes through

In fact it would probably aid the development

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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