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Men issues are being propagandized

March 15, 2023
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Young men cannot get sex, meaningful relationships, or date because of an increase in physical beauty standards.

The US media will attempt to throw every baseless accusation than say point blank what the issue is.

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[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

To further solidify my point.

Also you will note not one discussion was had on the looks/improving looks.

https://youtu.be/bmav517MQJc

[–]RStonePTRedPill 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You do realize this was a decade ago when it originally aired right? I remember seeing this in the 2000s when I was still in fleet school

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Are you implying dating had gotten easier since 8 years ago?

[–]zastale 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

These people are beyond hope.

[–]discojoggs 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

His flair is literally “RedPill”. That tells you all you need to know

[–]MiamiSunrise12 2 points3 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

Maybe some men just need to realize that they’re low value and don’t deserve a woman. A relationship isn’t a human right. If everyone is telling you that you’re the problem…maybe they might be right

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (29 children) | Copy Link

Deserve meaning if his height, face, race, beauty standards warrants him having sex and intimacy.

Value meaning more for length of his femur bones rather than of his limitless potential as a thinking human?

[–]MiamiSunrise12 0 points1 point  (28 children) | Copy Link

Even the ugliest man could get laid if he took care of himself, was a nice guy, and adjusted his standards

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Nice guy? Hahahahahahahahah *gasp* oh man

[–]MiamiSunrise12 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

What’s your problem? Personality plays a role in dating

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the laughs man

[–]MiamiSunrise12 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

So you think a guy can be asshole and still get laid?

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-myths-sex/202203/the-sexual-appeal-dark-personalities

There's tons of studies that show Dark Triad aka asshole men and women are highly attractive. Even men fall for women who are like this.

[–]MiamiSunrise12 -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That’s not a reputable source, it’s not even peer reviewed

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Like I said there's other sources too.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913012245#:~:text=Conclusion,greater%20perceived%20Extraversion%20or%20Neuroticism.

If you're not going to view the evidence in good faith then this conversation is over. Have a nice day.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

Please see rest of thread.

[–]MiamiSunrise12 0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

I did you guys are just coping. If every woman wanted a 6’2” Chad the human race would not reproduce

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 2 points3 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Untrue. Lots of women settle for men that don't meet their looks/height standards. The problem is 100% of those settle-for relationships collapse into dead bedrooms, and sometimes cheating/divorce.

[–]MiamiSunrise12 0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

Not getting what you want =/= settling. I’m guys would love to marry models, but that doesn’t mean that every man who doesn’t is unhappy

[–]fatsackguy47 1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

women and men aren’t the same in terms of what they find attractive. men find tons of women attractive women are Chadsexual

[–]MiamiSunrise12 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Source?

[–]fatsackguy47 1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

OKC for one.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How am I coping with something that is beneficial if not true?

[–]crypto_druid 2 points3 points  (62 children) | Copy Link

Yeah as long as I don't have to be accountable for the results of my choices and actions, I think its fair to blame the issue on anything that isn't me

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 5 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Fair assessment if this was individual cases and not a social phenomenon.

A social phenomenon that is weirdly not changing despite many solutions offered by women and modern culture.

[–]crypto_druid -4 points-3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

People are individuals. There is no hive mind.

You as an individual are accountable for the quality of your life.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

My topic of discussion is about a social phenomenon, not about me or the freedoms of the individual.

[–]crypto_druid -2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You're the one crying about the social phenomena being the cause of an issue.

This can only be true if you remove accountability away from individuals.

Which is what you appear to be doing

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

If men want to do better, it’s essential they are given what the problem is.

Then men can make the informed decision to do better, with the correct information.

The root cause, which is going to have numerous attempts to be propagandized away, is a rise of beauty standards. Do not gaslight away from this.

[–]crypto_druid -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Are you doing better now you have found something to blame?

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You are an idiot.

[–]crypto_druid 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'll take that as a no then.

Telling men they can do better by outsourcing accountability obviously hasn't done you any favours.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You have no idea about this phenomenon and you will say platitudes. I can’t take you seriously.

[–]Eyesofmalice 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You sound like Margaret thatcher. Appallingly ignorant.

There’s social sciences and political sciences who study the social changes, but I guess you know better.

[–]crypto_druid 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wrong thread ?

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // أشهد أن لا حبة إلا الحبة السوداء 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

accountable people need to make the right decisions -> to make the right decisions, you need accurate information -> you need to know what social trends and external circumstances beyond your control steer you.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well put.

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

now that you know that social trend.

how has that helped you to change ?

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // أشهد أن لا حبة إلا الحبة السوداء 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

helps you know that pursuing a partner is a snipe hunt so you put less resources into it

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Alright, so it hasn’t helped you in the slightest, you’re still exactly where you were before you knew.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // أشهد أن لا حبة إلا الحبة السوداء 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

nah it has, i feel better now and that in itself is a good change, it's just not a change that can be listed on an accounting table. "worry only about what you have to do and not what others are doing" works if and only if everyone else is doing their part and nobody's working against your interests, and i doubt you'd tell us women's part is ass-sitting, mooching and crying about wanting more free gibs for you to pay & complaining about rights without making a peep about responsibilities.

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Alright, you keep on focusing on all people around you and I’ll keep focusing on me.

[–]too_lazy_to_register 3 points4 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

So is being ugly a choice or an action? I'm a bit confused.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 4 points5 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

There can be work arounds such as plastic surgery, and society at large being more in touch about physical standards in men rising.

[–]crypto_druid -2 points-1 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Don’t take advice from this person.

Listen to men who are getting the results you want

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 2 points3 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Yes, say he wants to have a normal dating life and have sex.

How would he get the result, from common sense?

From research?

Put up any argument that does not include looks and I will debunk it.

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (27 children) | Copy Link

Do you have a normal dating life and sex?

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 2 points3 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

https://youtu.be/bmav517MQJc

It was easier to get sex last year, but I wasn’t going hard in med school. I’m looking to get back into shape again.

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (25 children) | Copy Link

So, despite these societal set backs you cry about, you’re still able to get laid.

you have must be doing something right.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 5 points6 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

I have a great face and I don’t give a fuck.

But getting chubby was the main issue. Which will be fixed.

But as I said, let’s not gaslight anymore than we have to about looks.

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (23 children) | Copy Link

I never discussed looks, I was never talking about anything else apart from accountability and responsibility.

losing weight is one way to take responsibility for improving your life. So is improving your interpersonal skills and developing skills that can add value to other peoples lives.

there are many ways to improve as a man, it’s not a zero sum game that starts and ends with how you look

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

youre not confused,

you are pretending to be confused and trying to steer for a gotcha.

[–]too_lazy_to_register 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I just thought about the possibility of me being completely wrong.

But seriously, I'm always interested how people can turn any topic to the personal responsibility issues. Whatever you do, if you're a loser, that was your choice. The stupid people just chose to be born poor and ugly and deserve to be mocked for it, right?

[–]crypto_druid -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No, you’re just putting words in my mouth.

You got called out for steering for gotcha, so you just laid your cards on the table.

I was right that you’re not engaging in good faith.

[–]too_lazy_to_register 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

And now you're steering away from your words. Am I also responsible for it?

[–]crypto_druid -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

youve already been called out for bad faith acting, might as well continue eh?

[–]too_lazy_to_register 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Or you can stop pretending to be offended by my cruel words and try to substantiate your claims about responsibility. It's not like you were acting in good faith when you started this.

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

i havent said I’m offended by your words.

i said you put words in my mouth which I never said. That’s called strawman,

youre not engaging in good faith or trying to learn.

im done with you, I’m muting this chat, you can have the last word

[–]too_lazy_to_register 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm definitely not trying to learn how to shit on others and evade the questions.

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol indeed

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Was that sarcastic?

[–]RStonePTRedPill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

When you try to make the media into your dad, don't be surprised if he doesn't love you.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Spot on. But I do think the culture in the US is sad.

Love/relationships/information is being monetized with no concern of well being. Sad culture.

[–]TermAggravating8043 -5 points-4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Really don’t care that some young men are not getting sex handed to them on a plate

You want sex? Go outside and earn a relationship or buy a flesh light and stop complaining

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why the fuck are you here then lmao

[–]TermAggravating8043 -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

To remind you about it

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ay complaining about complaining

[–]TermAggravating8043 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly

[–]looking_for_meaning_ 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

i tried it soul crushing defeat after defeat if you don't meet women laundry list of genetic requirements. and i wager most men can relate

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why don’t you find a way to get money, then fuck prostitutes or Get surgery

[–]looking_for_meaning_ 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

saving for surgery need 1 more year of college

[–]FortniteAbobusWhitePill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You forgot about shower and hobby groups.

[–]Zavier221 -1 points0 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I mean even cnn are talking about it know , I don’t think the media are ignoring it

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 4 points5 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

They are talking about it, but they are out of touch of the root cause.

[–]Zavier221 -1 points0 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Have you watched it , I’m pretty sure the guy knows what He’s talking about , what do you think the cause is

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 3 points4 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

The main argument the guy presents is that men cannot date because they don’t appear as if “they are able to garner resources in the future.”

That line makes no sense.

Men issues in dating and relationships in there 20s are about looks, which is precisely why guys in their 20s are struggling.

[–]Zavier221 -1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Do You have evidence that it’s directly due to looks ? Recent virginity stats don’t state them getting sex is a problem more so staying in relationships which money matters more for.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

I think the main issue is getting into consistent relationships at the same rate as women. If men could perform at the same level, it would not be a problem.

Which is basically a form of looks in 20s.

Resources are important, but looks are the king.

Also almost any study on mating habits in a sexually free marketplace put physical attraction at the top.

[–]Zavier221 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

But the recent GSS study doesnt state this at all, most young guys are getting sex

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Shut the fuck up.

[–]Zavier221 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Fact don’t care about your feelings

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

link the facts.

[–]l00ks-p1lled -1 points0 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Since Beauty is mostly objective I don't think the standards are really rising, they are just naturally adjusting in a free enivronment where women get to select and choose.

Imo they are actually rising a bit more than they naturally should and this is related to social media and online dating that give women too much option with low effort

In blackpill terms, HTN should be the rightful natural threshold to slay, but since women are bombarded with options it's shifting towards Chadlite

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Nope, in the past prior to monogamy the dynamic was similar to the current

[–]l00ks-p1lled 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Nope, this is the first time in history women get to choose. Unless ancient primitive societies allowed equality between men and women (I'm jokng, they obviously didn't allow it)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Why do incels ignore 1000 years of actual recorded human history and cultural development to focus on loosely based theories about primitive civilizations created by evopsych scientists who had few studies done on human archeological and archival texts, yet primarily based their speculations of ancestral human behavior from field research on non-human mammals?

Also, antique society from 1000-1900 has greater chronological relevancy on the basis of behavior of modern populations in 2023, unlike what our far ancestors were maybe doing millions of years ago

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

This is a vague article explaining evolutionary biology without any specification to how men and women mated.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

It's an article explaining the dubious pseudo-scientific methodology used in evopsych that incels preach like it's the bible of dating.

Read American, read.

Let it marinate in your brain.

"Also, antique society from 1000-1900 has greater chronological relevancy on the basis of behavior of modern populations in 2023, unlike what our far ancestors were maybe doing millions of years ago"

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

"dubious pseudo-scientific methodology used in evopsych that incels preach like it's the bible of dating."

What paragraph?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I see deductive reasoning isn't your strong suit..

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I understand the sentence our recent ancestors behave more like us than our distant ancestors. Which ironically is explained by natural selection.

The article explains evo bio, and does not attempt to disprove it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

So why not use recent ancestors as a basis of how the world ended up the way it is in current day instead of theories on what "might" our very far distant ancestors did?

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]l00ks-p1lled 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

do you really think it happened because Women were free to select Men?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Arranged marriages in Europe were largely confined to elite and aristocratic classes since Modern history (1400s-current). The concept of arranged marriages was challenged as early as the 12th century in Europe.

[–]l00ks-p1lled 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Okay, but still women still couldn't be completely free in their selection. Nowadays, in developed countries, you can because: you live safely, contraceptives exist, you have access to education, you can be economically independent, you can discover your sexuality freely, you meet hundreds/thousands of people both irl and online and there is media literally showing you hot men everywhere.

It's not the same as before, this is a first time in human history

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I fundamentally disagree with the Enlightenment Age's school of thought towards history and concepts like personal "liberation"; where all of it in my opinion, is heavily propagandized drivel accepted as a universal fact by dogmatic masses when it's another subjective philosophy out of thousands. Also, a lot of people here are (whether unconsciously or consciously) liberal humanist progressives (bc it's Reddit) who view history as a linear timeline of "uncivilized" to "civilized", so yeah.

[–]l00ks-p1lled 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Believe what you want. It won't change the fact that nowadays people have the most freedom ever both socially and sexually. However being free doesn't mean that equal opportunities exist. As with capitalism in order to increase equality society has to put restrictions and has to give incentives to the poorest

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No surprise there, Western liberals always think their logic is the most "objective" and "truthful" when it's just another subjective view of humanity out of thousands of other subjective worldviews. Being chained to the internet and capitalist mass consumption designated to enslave your brain hormones is anything but true freedom. Counter-cultural movements like paleo conservatives exist for a reason because clearly not everyone agrees our society is beneficial for personal liberation.

[–]Last-Post2085BlackPill 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Even if their standards are rising, most women in the West are chubby or obese. So they will also be single forever.

[–]l00ks-p1lled 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not a consolation prize though, in a healthy society everyone should be able to have sex/relationships easily.

Btw I think that if a girl is just chubby she won't struggle that much, for sex at least

[–]AverageCar 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

chubby and obese women have endless options, everyone should know that by now

[–]discojoggs 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fat women will be single forever? If you knew the body counts of a lot of fat women you’d go into cardiac arrest

[–]FortniteAbobusWhitePill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Since Beauty is mostly objective

Where is short balding indian instagram supermodel?

[–]TaxNegative161 -5 points-4 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

Well this seems normal and in line with reality I better get really mad.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 7 points8 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

Yes, be mad at the companies profiting from addiction algorithms, misinformation, propaganda, for profits. You should be mad.

[–]crypto_druid -1 points0 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

How about just not supporting them?

No one is forcing you to use apps.

There is another place where you can meet women...

It's called the real world

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 3 points4 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

You’re bringing up another discussion point without addressing the main point of discussion.

I think it’s great if men and women can meet organically

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

You brought up apps, not me.

Are you meeting (or trying to) meet women organically ?

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 3 points4 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

This is about a social phenomenon of increasing physical standards, while this topic is being propagandized to other causes (the irony is not lost on me). I will not respond if you continue to divert.

[–]crypto_druid 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

You're saying if I don't agree with you then you won't talk to me.

I don't agree that beauty standards are the issue, I think the individual is accountable

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

No, because if social phenomenons are big enough, the issue supersedes the individual, especially if they do not know what the problem is.

This is my main argument. We need to say what the root cause is.

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

You need to lie about the root cause to avoid introspection and consider you might not be doing things correctly

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Alright lol.

[–]TaxNegative161 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Nah I've been mad about that for most of my life because I'm able to see injustice in things before it directly affects me.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Well, try to stick with the topic at hand.

[–]TaxNegative161 -3 points-2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Yes sorry I got distracted for directing vague accusations towards the US media.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Think about it logically.

What is the main reason men are complaining?

Which men have solved this issue?

What is the common differences between these subgroups?

Normalize wealth and keep the age group to young adult men.

[–]TaxNegative161 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Men are complaining because they are finally being impacted by late stage capital but they blame other things.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

🤑🤑🤑

[–]TaxNegative161 -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

For example you spent your life making lazy social decisions and because you have been babied so aggressively you think you deserve opportunities for intimate relationships despite being an absolutely repulsive weasel.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Are you clinically retarded that you cannot make any abstract argument but have to rely on people as reference points?

[–]crypto_druid -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Which men have solved this issue?

men who take accountability

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

😮😮😵

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know….jaw dropping right?.

the very thing you’ve been evading your whole life is the thing that will get out out of the hole you dug for yourself

[–]SwimmingTheme3736 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Are these stats just in the us? As I have young adult children who all date and 3 out of 4 are in relationships

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Culture in US has drastically increased the physical looks requirement of men to have a regular dating life.

[–]SwimmingTheme3736 -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Ok I’m in the uk so it must be different

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Nope. Modernization and is culture is spreading, unfortunately.

[–]SwimmingTheme3736 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

My young men I know are not in this situation

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

How old are they, and are they comventionally attractive?

[–]SwimmingTheme3736 -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The ones I know well are late teens to mid 20s.

I’m their mother and step mother so I think they are all amazing, but I guess I could be biased

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well if they go on regular dates they are ahead of the curve!

If they are struggling perhaps hire a style/fashion consultant and encourage them to lose weight.

[–]SwimmingTheme3736 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

1 is in a long term relationship, 5 years now. That is not my son but my daughters boyfriend they met at 13. All the others are in short term, less than 6 months relationship

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great!

[–]Nihi1986 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's not as simple as you are making it sound, it's not just beauty standards, young men are also very poor compared to previous generations, and there's a lot more competition (an almost infinite number) due to internet availability with the apps and media.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're complicating the issues. The poor hot men are getting laid. Apps or not.

The hot ugly guys are paying (in some way) for sex. Apps or not.

[–]Nihi1986 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hot men are always going to get laid, even awfully inmoral or homeless men, same for hot women, they will never struggle with dating...

'Ugly' guys (depending on how ugly we are talking about) used to get laid from time to time or even get LTR's/marriages, back when they could compensate what they lacked in looks with personality, stability, safety and money. When women started getting decent jobs and money, those guys were in lower demand, but still in demand. That was until you could find an equally good but less ugly guy by spending 5 extra minutes swiping on your smartphone.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes well the argument goes back the the original topic.

[–]SoldierExcelsior 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think it's more complex than that.Looks are a major component but the main factor is the landscape of how people interact has changed.

For Example Jason and Mary worked an ice cream shop they see each other almost every day and eventually form a romantic relationship and start dating.

Enter 2013 when Instagram drops and every chick has a smart phone with a camera and can broadcast herself to the world..

Now marry has 500 dms a day from all kinds of men rich men good looking men high status men her options are limitless...

Rocky Road Jason making $7 an hour no longer seems like a viable option when Mary can Date Dr Chad or get $500 to let Lawyer Lance to rim job her..

Or She actually meets conventionally ttractive men that make her wet on first site which is rare for women and it's what they're all chasing...Men are attracted to most women but one time I went somewhere in Mexico and all the women where short and fat every last one..

But then I go in this store and there's this gorgeous girl stunning couldn't take my eyes off of her the attraction was instant and powetful...Turns out she spoke English and was just visiting from the states. .we actually linked and eventually dated for some years...

Any way back home I see stunning women all the time but for women good looking men are rare but socal media gives them a wide net and when they find those guys they can't resist l.Jason gets left hanging.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, the marketplace has changed is common knowledge. The uncommon knowledge is men that get laid vs men who don't is based on looks.

[–]SoldierExcelsior 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

To some degree status helps ight even be more important than looks a lot of women are thinking about the long game...some rich ugly raper or kid with a million followers can do better than a Chad which are easier to find these days with social media wmen have acess t all the Chad's but looks don't pay bills or give opportunities

[–]DeepHouseDJ007 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

And what’s the issue? That women’s standards are too high and they refuse to settle for incels and video game addicts?

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nobody invited you.

[–]DeepHouseDJ007 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m not sure you understand how Reddit works.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The issue is men are not hot enough or do not have enough money to have relationships or sex.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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