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Never blame yourself for being an incl

Petrosmine

November 2, 2023

67 upvotes

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Remember

-You didnt choose this face

-You didnt choose this height

-You didnt choose this mental illness

-You didnt choose this enviroment

-You didnt choose this voice

-You didnt choose these parents

Which nullify your "personality"

And most importantly

-You didnt choose to be born

The only things that are rightfully to blame is nature and your parents who fucked despite knowing you are gonna end up a failure

If you choose to wrongfully blame yourself, you are being submissive to the normal people and making them feel even more superior to you

"Personality" means nothing if you are subfive

You are biologically wired to be repulsed by ugly things no matter what

There's a reason we kill moths but not butterflies despite both of them being harmless to us

Genetics will ALWAYS beat hard work

https://youtu.be/KOBdpZbPbA8?si=NTCyhrOSY0hJTKmS

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Title	Never blame yourself for being an incl
Author	Petrosmine
Upvotes	67
Comments	99
Date	November 2, 2023 7:51 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/AllPillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/AllPillDebate/comments/17lydyb/never_blame_yourself_for_being_an_incl/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/AllPillDebate/never-blame-yourself-for-being-an-incl.1237080 https://theredarchive.com/post/1237080

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Certainly one should still put in effort and gauge what they could achieve, but you also shouldn’t encourage anyone to slave away in a category they have 0 inclination towards.

Will you improve? Of course. Doesn’t mean you will develop “the mindset of Tyson”. A lot of that comes down to the genome, epigenetics, and early environment. Same with developing the intelligence of Einstein. What exactly do you mean? Intelligence is largely genetic and most in the field agree it stabilizes as early as 8. By 11-13, its 96 percent set in stone based on longitudinal studies. You can make the most out of periods of synaptic pruning, sure, but you aren’t going to have the neural network and efficiency, or sheer volume of neurons and gray matter as someone born in a more advantageous position.

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Not the best, but good enough to have something to show for your efforts and able to operate over some sort of necessary threshold. If the juice isn’t worth the squeeze, or there is no juice yield despite inhumane levels of squeezing, it’s a waste.

If someone with an iq of 105 wanted to put in effort, I’d encourage it. Do I think it’s in the cards for them to be a successful attorney, doctor, dentist, etc? Of course not. There are other things they could do though.

Now, If they had an iq of 70? Realistically they won’t ever achieve anything meaningful stemming from their cognition.

Same for other facets. I’m not going to encourage a brutally unattractive dwarf to just lift and overcome his disadvantage in the dating market. It won’t work. Same way I wouldn’t think it a proper use of time or stress or hope for someone with some form of palsy or muscle wasting to try and engage in athletics or bodybuilding.

[–]xBTx -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Same for other facets. I’m not going to encourage a brutally unattractive dwarf to just lift and overcome his disadvantage in the dating market. It won’t work. Same way I wouldn’t think it a proper use of time or stress or hope for someone with some form of palsy or muscle wasting to try and engage in athletics or bodybuilding.

This seems to make two assumptions that I'm not sure are correct:

Lifting (specifically bodybuilding) is a useful way to attract a partner

If your goal is to do a tour within hookup culture, then it could be a part of a useful set of adaptations to develop the sort of superficial facade that works well with short-term encounters.

For medium to long term dating - The modern meme with lifting is that other guys appreciate chest and biceps more than girls do.

Aesthetics (hypertrophy and body comp) are the primary benefit of lifting

Here using lifting in a broader sense to include other forms of resistance training, hypertrophy is probably the least understood and least useful adaptation for lifters seeking broader health when compared to mitochondrial density (endurance), neuromuscular efficiency (strength) etc. and their effects on the CNS. People with neuromuscular disease can and should seek these adaptations - even if their cap is limited - and even if the bros at the gym will never tell them they've got nice biceps

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I think you misunderstand the point of those examples. Aerobic and resistance training ex. Revolved around the intent or Goal to compete in athletics for the crippled individual, not for overall health.

Meaningful threshold as in there is some net roi involved. If you are ugly and short, unless you plan on addressing those things surgically, all the effort in the world won’t make you attractive and able to compete in hookup culture. It’s a waste of your effort and time. If you have a 70 iq and the goal or intent is not just to stave off neurodegeneration but to compete in an academic space, it’s simply not in the cards. If I ran into a surgeon scrubbing in who told me he tested 70 on the wais I’d run out of that operating theater and call the board lol, but it’s moot because he would never find himself in such a position. If you have palsy and you want to compete in the able bodied version of the Olympics, you can train as much as you want, I’ll bet a lot of money it won’t happen. In fact, children would crush you in a backyard pickup basketball game despite decades of training.

Be realistic about your innate abilities, baseline, and potential. Allocate your efforts accordingly

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Appreciate you taking an honest look at this and not just dismissing it.

It definitely doesnt make any sense that you could have a higher income but not more wealth or financial security. I bet that means that being high IQ means you make more money but doesnt necessarily mean you save/invest it well. But the point is, you make more money because you are smarter and thus get better, higher paying jobs.

In terms of the athletic example, it really depends. i was a very good athlete growing up. There are many MANY people I was better than even without trying. No matter how much they tried they would never, in a million years be better than me. And there were also people WAY better than me, that no matter how much I tried I could never be better than.

Its a tough pill to swallow, but the key factor is the base of natural talent you are born with. You need a certain amount to be able to compete with the best, regardless of how hard you work.

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It definitely doesnt make any sense that you could have a higher income but not more wealth or financial security. I bet that means that being high IQ means you make more money but doesnt necessarily mean you save/invest it well. But the point is, you make more money because you are smarter and thus get better, higher paying jobs

Taken from the article you linked:

"This means the average income difference between a person with an IQ score in the normal range (100) and someone in the top 2 percent of society (130) is currently between $6,000 and $18,500 a year.

But when it came to total wealth and the likelihood of financial difficulties, people of below average and average intelligence did just fine when compared with the super-intelligent.

The study could find no strong relationship between total wealth and intelligence."

Further study was needed to show a reason for this disparity.

In terms of the athletic example, it really depends. i was a very good athlete growing up. There are many MANY people I was better than even without trying. No matter how much they tried they would never, in a million years be better than me. And there were also people WAY better than me, that no matter how much I tried I could never be better than.

And I'm sure there are many personal anecdotes which would reach a similar conclusion. This is a fairly well researched area of study which crosses over with popular culture with the odd pop psychology book i.e. The Talent Code (which concluded that talent becomes dependent on practice, motivation and coaching to avoid petering out). To apply this to your own anecdote - if one of your classmates continued exercising to this day and you hadn't do you think you would retain your competitive advantage? The research seems to point towards 'no'.

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If you have to ask, you're not reading carefully enough. Anger here is explained every day.

Most men are not sexually attractive enough even for a plain Jane, average woman. Most women, including plain Jane average women, have sexual access to Chads and have at least some sexual experience with Chads. So they want, they expect, they demand, Chads and nothing less will do. They would rather accept abuse from a Chad than a decent relationship from a nonChad. They would rather share Chad with other women than have an average man all to herself. So be it.

That freezes at least 80% of men out. Women don't want these men. There is not one damn thing these 80% of men can do about that. It is what it is. But you can't figure out why men are just a bit pissed about that.

What you're really saying is that men have no right to be angry about anything. Men have been lied to, shafted, used, exploited, taken advantage of, and deprived, and they have no right to be even a little peeved about any of it.

Women cry and complain all day long on tiktok and IG and YT about "where are all the good men" and "why won't Chad wife me up". I have no sympathy for them because they passed up 20 beta providers who would break themselves in half for these women, and these women don't want them. No quarter. No sympathy. They want what they can't have. No sympathy. Fuck them.

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You are choosing not to treat your mental health

Mental health issues are often caused by environmental factors that may or may not be in OP's control. And most clinical treatments for common mental health conditions also have very low efficacy and come with significant side effects.

You are choosing not to improve yourself

Did the OP state he hasn't tried anything to improve himself? I don't recall he did.

You are choosing to blame women

Hmm, don't recall anything about that in the OP either...

You are choosing to blame your parents

Yup, that he is. That is a whole separate ethical and philosophical dilemma.

You are choosing to be angry

Sounds more frustrated to me, but hey it's probably all the same to a simpleton like you

If moths stayed outside and minded their business, they wouldn’t be killed

So you're saying he should just fuck off and exile himself from humanity because he's not good looking??? Lmao the mask always slips off eventually with bluepillers...

Congrats, you managed to make 1.5 correct/valid statements out of 6, a pretty poor showing overall, but hey not everyone can be winners. Next time, if you want to accomplish anything other than overwhelming downvotes, try suggesting a solution that doesn't equate to "shut up and die alone".

It honestly shocks me how bluepillers come here thinking they can win people over while employing the intellectual capacity of a knat. Or maybe it's all a joke I'm not stupid enough to get, idk.