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I just had an epiphany

May 20, 2021

Remember the Red Pill subreddit? It was a bunch of men who thought that they knew more about "female nature" than women? They developed dumb theories like Hamsterization and Shit Tests to dehumanize women?

Modern feminism is no different. It's a bunch of women who think they know more about "male nature" than men. They develop dumb theories such as Patriarchy and Toxic Masculinity to (though a bit more indirectly) dehumanize men.

Who course, feminists will say "but there are male feminists!". Right, but there are also women who subscribe to the Red Pill theory.

Gaslighting is a powerful tool.

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[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (3 children) | Copy Link

Removed as low effort.

[–]Oncefa2left-wing male advocate 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People try to compare the men's rights movement to feminism and I don't think that's a fair comparison.

Feminism is much more comparable to TRP or MGTOW or even some of that black pill stuff than it is to the MRM.

Do you know what the men's rights movement is comparable to? Women's rights. That's literally it. And women's rights is not the same thing as feminism. Like not even close. Feminism is an ideology or a set of beliefs (for example about the patriarchy) and that's what sets it apart from both men's rights and women's rights.

[–]AleniRSP 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Incorrect, because Red Pill and Black Pill are just some different people who were saying some different things (stupid or not) about their relationships experience, and nothing else. Feminism is a global institutional power. Red pill and Black pill never was institutional and never had power

[–]miss_Aesthetic- 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

But many redpill messages of studs/sluts, the alpha/beta dichotomy are part of media messaging.

The Red Pill never introduced “new” concepts. They simply revitalized old misogyny in response to genuine male issues in society. By doing so, they invoke the old power that still has a hold on society.

Not to mention many toxic cultures which overlap heavily with redpill ideology (like in parts of South America, South Asia, the Middle East)

[–]reverbiscrap 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Something I recently learned is that Machismo (which most people know about) has a female counterpart, where women actively believe and promote that women are inherently more spiritual and goodly than men, that men are genuinely incapable of taking care of the home, or really being as honest or just as any woman.

Can only wonder why this has never been spoken about /s

[–]miss_Aesthetic- 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah my mother has this and she’s from Morocco.

The problem is that this gets considered as “internalized misogyny” by feminist women because childcare and the care economy in general is not seen in high esteem by them. Because caring for children and being the better care taker is an oppressive position no one would want to take up. Hence the women who are proud of it hate themselves.

I’m glad to see this position dying amongst today’s feminists, but that women are wonderful thing still gets looped in with internalized misogyny. It’s a problem I have with a lot of feminist discourse.

[–]miss_Aesthetic- 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I just had an epiphany I need to go to Tiffany’s.

Sorry that popped up (stream fractions and seeing green). But on a real though feminism and the red pill are different in the sense that they try to change society but red pill men “ride the decline”. Feminists are also easier to reason with, as crazy as that sounds. Many of them genuinely think these concepts can liberate men and have pure intentions, which is more than redpill men can say for themselves.

Imho we shouldn’t allow RP men to talk about the RP on this subreddit anymore than we should allow feminists with their “patriarchy hurts men too !!!” to be top posters.

I can’t even begin to talk about how TRP and certain feminist discourse has drained me emotionally and mentally. I’ll probably never heal anytime soon.

[–]Oncefa2left-wing male advocate 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's actually a lot of red pillers who think "their way" is better for everyone, including women. And there are women (and "red pill wives") who agree.

"Their way" is basically men need to be men and women need to be women. So it's traditionalism in a sense. But in that context the analogy does extend that far.

[–]miss_Aesthetic- 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I honestly just don’t want to think about them. I hold them to a higher standard of responsibility than anyone else for what they did to mens issues and advocacy. Incels needed help from society and therapy but these people….they were just manipulative and selfish. Redpillwomen went along with it.

I abhor selfishness across the board. You never see a relationship between two humble people go wrong. And I hate how some of us here excuse them by saying “well, men have been taught not to care about themselves so that’s why this occurred” - which is basically excusing their manipulation and abuse because they were oppressed victims (sounds familiar? Yeah it should).

I’m honestly over excusing people’s manipulation and abuse because “well I was oppressed too as a group sometimes !!!!”

[–]Xemnas81 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP is aggressively reactionary antifeminism which tries to argue that the suffrage movement was ultimately an aberration of natural law, that's why.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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