Muslims proselytizing on this sub-reddit

CorpulentLeprechaun · 2017-12-28T01:05:31+00:00

It's dangerous.. but their likelihood of success is severely reduced here by the fact that the whole basis for this subs existence lies in a common sense of self reliance and strength of the individual.

Jihad or whayever is follower shit. We think for ourselves.

SpeaksTruthToPower · 2017-12-28T03:52:55+00:00

Religious blather of any type or flavor has no place on this subreddit at all.

CeleritySteam · 2017-12-28T01:05:03+00:00

It's nice they put cunts in their place but I don't follow cults.

cyborg_type_darkness · 2017-12-28T02:00:05+00:00

I'm a Muslim and I agree partly with you. You won't hear me bragging that I want to convert people etc. Go your own way and do what you want.

Islam is a hard patriarchy

True, I have issues with this, as family members want me to marry. Marriage for them is top priority.

They have no respect for you and just want to use you..

At least this Muslim here will respect you.

BobTheCube · 2017-12-28T01:34:02+00:00

Ex-Muslim, born in US to parents of Bangladeshi origin. Can confirm that many Rituals and traditions in Islam (wearing beards, having Arabic names, breaking ramadaan fasts with dates) are actually Arab culture and not part of the scripture of the Quran. And many Bangladeshi migrant workers in the Gulf countries are treated as subhumans.

lcoyote · 2017-12-28T02:10:03+00:00

No mythical sky-gods for me, thanks.

GoingCamaro · 2017-12-28T02:42:55+00:00

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viggyman · 2017-12-28T03:54:55+00:00

Islam is the most regressive religion there is. It is akin to tribal rules. In my country, Muslim laws are favorable to men. Why are they even here? In my opinion, they are here because their religious narrative doesn't fit the current western norms. I don't think MGTOW will help with that. I believe they are just using us to further their agenda. We don't want our society to go back a hundred years, that's tradcon.

Without prejudice to that, MGTOW should be free of any religion or such nonsense. MGTOW rises above religion, society. I see a definite rise in Muslims proselytizing. I for one will not be taken advantage of to further an Islamic cause.

MGTOW means the freedom that I can get up and leave. I'll leave this sub if this goes on. Cheers.

swingalone · 2017-12-28T03:20:10+00:00

these people aren't seeking to help you they're seeking to use you.

QFT

Men Going Their Own Way ... NOT Men Going Allah's Way

You are the master of your destiny. You look after yourself and you are the one that matters. Remember, everyone wants to use you. Women want your resources. The state wants your resources. Islam wants your blind obedience and expand itself through you. If there's anyone in this world that wants something good for you, that's yourself, and maybe, maybe, the other men in this sub.

Edit: This apply to every religion, group or cult. I know, it sounds harsh but that's how it is. Every group or form of collective seeks for the strenght and labor of men.

ecraxe · 2017-12-28T01:02:19+00:00

i concur as an ex muslim mgtow myself. Its deeply patriarchal and I can see why it would attract "mgtows" or men who are aware of the red pill.

GlitchyBlasphemer · 2017-12-28T01:11:05+00:00

I don’t have an “inability” to achieve reproductive success. I could easily achieve it if I so desired, I just don’t want it. I’m an atheist, but I don’t bust any religions postings in MGTOW because their world views and ideologies are irrelevant to me and my way. They are just more systems, and I don’t have to work within them if I don’t want to. If some MGTOW reader sees such proselytizing and follows it back to the plantation, then they were never really interested in finding their own way where they. They just wanted a different one, and more power to them.

john_the_other · 2017-12-28T05:40:46+00:00

Muslim proselytizing? Are we subscribed to the same sub? I see FAR more alt right trad cucks proselytizing here than that. Most religious mgtows are monks anyway, they are not concerned about "followers".

deliberatemistake · 2017-12-28T03:57:26+00:00

Islam is just another tool of control, and a poorly constructed and calibrated one, at that.

Anybody who's willing to give up their autonomy for some perceived advantage in the dating pool is an idiot and not worth your time or energy.

NordHamsteri · 2017-12-28T02:00:32+00:00

Muslim societies are mostly third world hell holes except maybe certain parts of Turkey but thats because theres lots of secular nationalists whom can be classified as white or dark white (latino) who keep things working.

If someone goes on muslim mode it should be done in Saudi-Arabia or similar shithole. Most of this planet is third world so why ruin the rest?

Theres semi-similar sects like Mormons to join if anyone whats that kind of stuff.

oldfuzzysocks · 2017-12-28T01:44:58+00:00

Their "inability" to achieve reproductive success with women paints them as weak and desperate.

what's funny about this is most men here have probably been married or at least had gfs in the past. they are the reason we are here.

Herpnderp145 · 2017-12-28T04:34:57+00:00

Same could be said of Trad-cuck Christians, the "enlightened" Reddit-Imgur Hipster Atheists who think women should have everything yet be catered to, Jews who use their women and manipulative agenda to twist societal standards and create feminism whilst funding these agents (Looking at you Soros) to pervert society and encourage men to marry shitty women or else tax and shame you.

Yeah I understand where your coming from that one group is starting to come on to us but at the same time there are multiple from both sides, not too long ago the incels subreddit was banned, reddit started taking note of us and now people are trying to find ways to ban us.

theWillpowerEngine · 2017-12-28T06:09:19+00:00

If anything Muslims needs a MGTOW movement of their own.

Beta males are fucked in Islam. A top tier Chadhamed bogarts multiple women across multiple generations, leaving even less for the average beta than we have in the West (and it's not like Chadhamed's sloppy fifteenths are out skanking it up in bars either).

That's how they get them to go blow other countries up and drop migration bombs -- it's the only way they can get women. No polygamous society can survive without a way to destroy surplus betas and ensure a steady supply of foreign women.

Original_Username7 · 2017-12-28T06:53:00+00:00

WTF, seriously? Can you provides some examples/links?

And also, I'm seriously getting damn tired of people thinking MGTOWs are just incels by another name. The whole concept of incel is repulsive to me, some guy sitting around complaining about how needs but can't get a woman. It couldn't be FURTHER from the definition of a MGTOW. This confusion honestly makes me wonder if I want to be called a MGTOW sometimes, since I couldn't be further from an incel. Fellow MGTOWs, I'm asking you, please, please do all you can to distance us from this incel shit. It's disgusting and will only drag this subreddit down.

Hollow_tips · 2017-12-28T06:12:52+00:00

Lol ex muslim here, just stay the fuck away from islam.

shittyProgramr · 2017-12-28T06:52:37+00:00

Islam is cancer. Thank you very much.

DarkWhale___ · 2017-12-28T11:24:39+00:00

More like “Alt Right proselytizing on this sub-reddit”

Onkel_Adolf · 2017-12-28T02:13:28+00:00

OK, but you gotta admit, most Muslim families got their bitches under control. Scenes like this are unheard of in Mecca http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4mnKcyll4mM/T29oz79smVI/AAAAAAAAAnM/WP44kEzM2Tc/s1600/street%2Bsluts.jpg

fuu999 · 2017-12-28T03:38:55+00:00

I don't get it how would islam provide you with pussy anyway ? So ugly minority dwarf will give the tingles because he reads the Quran ? Please let the gods enlighten me

notacrookatall · 2017-12-28T03:46:26+00:00

Muslim proselytizing is a waste of time here, and anywhere else in the West I believe. My prediction is that western Islam will become Western islam. They will soon get in line with feminism because there is no escaping feminists. Remember, the West beat Islam, and Feminism is currently beating the West. Go figure...

DrRedPaint · 2017-12-28T03:50:32+00:00

all I noticed is the same old sh*t on this subreddit. No offence to anyone.

Soviet_Union100 · 2017-12-28T04:57:12+00:00

Eh sounds like typical american Islamophobia to me. I have not seen anyone try to convert people here.

christianlazard · 2017-12-28T05:10:15+00:00

I have never seen any Muslim propaganda here to be honest. Can someone provide links to some examples?

New_User1984 · 2017-12-28T06:17:09+00:00

I’m here all the time and haven’t seen anyone proselytizing. Maybe I missed it.

NordHamsteri · 2017-12-28T06:19:15+00:00

Im a christian born european. Lots of times when i think about the present situation i think about islam. I also think about the reason why christianity came into place. Your analysis is only half accurate, because it is based on emotions. If you were born in a muslim country you would be muslim. If you were born in europe with marxism and feminism rampant you would actually analyze islam through other lenses. Islam was created as an answer to the failure of christianity. Islam seeked to give honor back to men, and turning women into their natural status as wombs, and they pretty much succeeded on that, hence why they conquered half the world in a few decades.

Both islam and christianity are philosophies that mimic certain aspects of mgtow. Of course islam is not mgtow, because it implies certain responsabilities. Islam rewards marriage but doesnt force you to marry. The woman you marry is 100% in your control, and therefore your investment and family are secure.

The truth is if you mgtow philosophy was invented in the time of muhammad, it would have been easily supressed. And it was not a coincidence that the concept of jihad is was not in islam initially, it was created a bit later so they could survive, and then they conquered everything.

A lot of the things in islam were present in christianity at the beggining. Islam is basically a more strict and pragmatic yet militarized form of christianity.

They are both early manifestations of men striving to follow a common ideology that would garantee the rights of men, and keep society making babies by putting women in their place.

From the muslim perspective MGTOW are an attractive pool of potential converts because of their perceived lack of masculinity. Their "inability" to achieve reproductive success with women paints them as weak and desperate. Islam gives weak, desperate men a chance a securing access to female reproduction irrespective of female consent. I want to make it clear that anyone who joins Islam for this reason is a beta male. Joining a cult which makes it socially acceptable to dominate those physically inferior to you is not masculine, it is pseudo-masculine. It provides the illusion of masculinity but is in fact the exact opposite. It is the epitome of beta male behaviour.

In islam there are is no respect for weakness like in christianity. Weakness and pity are seen as vanity. However of the many things you could have said about islam, attacking the weak is not one of them. They completely attack the strong even when they are the weakest. Also i dont know where you got this idea that islam secures women. Islam only garantees that the woman that you secure under sharia law, cant become a feminist.

I feel like most people understand this but I'll explain it anyways. Islam is a hard patriarchy and patriarchal societies are detrimental to men.

Correct patriarchal societies in general put all in the shoulders of men, but they also tend to restrict women behavior and give power to men. The women suffrage is a century old only. On the other hand matriarchy is what it is, and you can see that matriarchy ends with a foreign invasion or internal colapse. You as a mgtow should know that the best system that works is still patriarchy, even though you are right about its cons. The present system that allowed mgtow to florish, like it or not is slowly collapsing, dont believe me? Look at the numbers...

Europe will become muslim because the only alternative would be patriarchy. And i dont think the patriarchy will come back now, especially since some countries are now 20% muslim, with their capitals partially islamized. Mgtows wont marry, western women will not have child, and the child they have will be from empowered single mothers, and grow in conflict with themselves. The muslims will keep having babies, and will keep coming. The situation is almost irreversible. Part of the europeans, if things get ugly will side with islam, because europe does not provide the sense of a nation, and does not give value to the man who fights.

Im being very objective here. Of course i want to live in a better world, and that would be without islam or patriarchy, but we have to be realistic. And im not just gonna do like you and pretend the problem is the muslims, when the problem is clearly our societies that for the reasons you already know are not reproducing and as an alternative decide to replace western men with muslim fighting age migrants. What could possibly go wrong...

I think you must be new to this subreddit.

Muslim men have been sacrificing themselves for centuries, driven only by a base need to propagate their genetic code.

Another bias. Muslim men only want to propagate islam, and they are truly religious. If they cared so much about genetics you wouldnt see them sending their child into battle. And you wouldnt see so many white muslims and black muslims and far east asian muslims. And the truth is that islam is antiracist but its "racist" towards other beliefs. So much bias man do your research.

Kiros360 · 2017-12-28T11:29:41+00:00

You seem to believe that all muslims are a hive mind, and not individuals (or you want us to believe this, thus making a strawman). Instead you focus on those POS terrorist and extremist and seem to believe that all are like that. That's wrong, I know quite a few muslims and some of them are assholes, some of them are stand up guys. None of them went to suicide bomb or proclaim extremist POV.

"Their "inability" to achieve reproductive success with women paints them as weak and desperate. Islam gives weak, desperate men a chance a securing access to female reproduction irrespective of female consent"

Wrong again, if the woman doesn't want to get married, she doesn't. What is true in their arranged marriage is that it's a partnership that doesn't require immediate love. There isn't a fight to the death for the hand of the bride.

"Non-arabic muslims are viewed with disdain and are merely tolerated - especially white muslims" False, they welcome new converts even if they're not arabic. Do you seriously believe all muslims want to either chop your head off, or make you go blow yourself up?

Now I'm sure you all can find examples to counter my points (because they exist, some muslims are batshit insane) but letting it paint a picture for the whole demographic worldwide is not the rational mindset that befits MGTOW.

Letting the internet shape your view of reality is dangerous. You could google BLM or black crimes and then claim that all blacks are crazy. Granted it's not the best comparison, since it's religion vs race, but I tend to see a fair share of comments here that depict the black community as inherently bad. Life is not black and white.

I thought MGTOW was a place for Men, all Men, to come together and GTOW? Are we excluding brothers because they have different views on life than us (other than BP and the like)?

I advise you to watch an episode of a french show called "J'irais dormir chez vous - Maroc" if you can understand french or finds subs. It's about a guy travelling to different countries and meeting the locals, possibly getting lodging from them. Look at how he's welcomed in Marocco, even though is a generic white dude.

And before you accuse me of being an arabic muslim proselytizing, I'm a white atheist dude.

NordHamsteri · 2017-12-28T01:41:42+00:00

I would agree and say that yes, Islam is very patriarchal but men don't 'compete' or kill each other for women. The reason for violence are so far away from what you said, I won't go into detail here since this is not a political sub however I will say this; majority of Islamic countries still follow the traditional arranged marriage route so even a guy who has no social skills or life together knows on the back of his head that he has a bride waiting for him.

Cuck-WTF · 2017-12-28T04:25:41+00:00

They do it to gingers in the UK too. Soft targest.

Tailback · 2017-12-28T06:02:07+00:00

Islam allows for polygamy. In fundamentalist Islamic countries, the guys with the money and power collect up all the women.

The only way for a poor dude to get a sniff of pussy is to take the chance of joining ISIS, Hezb'allah, taliban, yadda yadda yadda. Heck, even their version of Heaven is 72 virgins. All you gotta do is kill infidels.....what a deal!

Same polygamy thing goes for Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints. The young men are all disposable. Nobody wants the young men around. How are the elders gonna knock the bottom out of those sweet sweet girls if the young men are looking for something to wife up? The young men get kicked out of the community. Little known secret about those "communities".

Polygamist cultures have surplus young males amidst the elites. They are culled either through warfare, or in the case of the FLDS sending them to the welfare state. There is nothing new under the sun.

Dan_Vanedzin · 2017-12-28T06:30:14+00:00

I'm disagreeing with one thing.

Islam gives weak, desperate men a chance a securing access to female reproduction irrespective of female consent.

Nope, that's an Arab thing. Other Muslims, well you have to figure out yourself, the girls don't want your pathetic average male here. And besides, only those Imams (who incidentally, rich af) who are respected can do whatever, the rest just following like some sheep.

The rest, I can agree, it's a hard truth.

secant128 · 2017-12-28T09:37:23+00:00

Muslim is gynocentric as fuck, they think they are masculine but they still put women on a pedestal and fuels male disposability. And most Muslims in the west have been affected by feminism and are far from hard patriarchy, maybe only ISIS would consider a hard patriarchy nowadays.

jazztaprazzta · 2017-12-28T09:38:29+00:00

I want to make it clear that anyone who joins Islam for this reason is a beta male.

Does that matter in the case it ensures the continuation of one's genes? In secular societies, the phenomenon of "beta bux, alpha fux" is much more common than in Islam.

I am not defending Islam by any degree (or any religion for that matter), but it's a fact that Islam has strict rules for male-female relationships which seem to control and restrain female hypergamy. The same can be said for more fundamentalist Christianity and Judaism.

Fennel_17 · 2017-12-28T09:39:19+00:00

The thing about Jihad: it's supposed to signify winning battles with our own internal demons, and not those resulting in the deaths of the so called "Cafir's", looting and plundering their resources and using their women and kids as fuck-meat (the audacity of the radical fuck-faces, not the decent ones.. who the fuck do they think they are? I believe once y'all have done all that shit, and go to Allah, he's gonna spit on your faces and kick your collective asses into hell.)

I'm quite honestly not interested about what a pedophilic warlord with a huge ego about forcing his beliefs down the throat of every perceived weak individual, either by force or by guaranteeing gifts/4 wives, etc.

oksidasyon · 2017-12-28T18:49:47+00:00

Hey fuck off man

arrowforerunner · 2017-12-28T23:00:02+00:00

Lol says the deus vulter. Keep the political shit off this subreddit

redsfan277 · 2017-12-29T03:04:07+00:00

lol wtf? seriously i hadnt noticed.

If anything i see Christians more than anything.

MadPreacher1AD · 2017-12-28T01:07:02+00:00

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El---Rey · 2017-12-28T13:13:06+00:00

Hmm another concern trolling post.

I'm a muslim and longtime poster here. You see the occasional muslims talking about Islam but it's nothing anymore prevalent than incel views since their sub got shutdown.

Back to the topic at hand, this post is total garbage because it's all patently false. Muslim's are free to date whoever they want if they choose to; the religion prohibits it and for good reason too. Note, it's the same sexual liberty that's brought ruin to societies that is being prohibited in Islam.

Secondly Islam isn't a cult. Nobody forces you to believe anything and you're free to go in and out as you please. Nobody forced me to be a muslim.

Onto the point about the patriarchy. People have been fighting wars for more complex reasons than for pussy. Oversimplification is an excuse to let bias and prejudice rule over logic.

Hate muslims? Sure, believe whatever you do. But you have no more right to use this platform than any other MGTOW of differring religious beliefs.

randomroxks · 2017-12-28T05:06:39+00:00

yes, they are and I have called them out many times. Islam is really a fucked up loser cult.

Belrick_NZ · 2017-12-28T05:08:14+00:00

Islam and communism are the only two openly acknowledging world conquering ideologies

NiceIce · 2017-12-28T05:15:05+00:00

This really seems to be aimed at incels, PUAs and /r/theredpill rather then the men of this sub.

AoLIronmaiden · 2017-12-28T05:49:10+00:00

This is odd... I understand the "target market" Muslims would be looking for, but it doesn't make too much sense to me why they would think it a good idea to find that type of person here. It seems like a lot of mgtows are more open to challenging ideas/stereotypes/etc and thinking a bit more critically instead of being spoonfed bullshit. It seems like more people here are here because they've been burned by women - or have close experience and therefore have 2nd degree burns - not because men here are reeling for a woman and want to use religion to "catch" one. So if most people here tend to think more critically, why would we be very interested in a super strict ideology like Islam?

Stupid....

frankmarlowe · 2017-12-28T05:58:59+00:00

Actual Islamic "recruiters" are not stupid. Wether it's for purely theological reasons or godforbid because they want potential sleeper cell recruits, they would not come here with the intent of trying to lure actual MGTOW. Likely, they'd be looking to lure the Incel and Tradcon element that, regardless of pages getting banned, will always be present on this page in some form.

I know that reeks of a "no true scotsman" fallacy, but Islamic recruiters vary little from their Christian counterparts or really any other kind of proselytizer. It's a numbers game. If 50 copypasta'd posts gain 1 new person, then none of that effort went to waste. Most religions have groups of people dedicated to this kind of stuff. It's almost like how animals hunt, tbh. They case a group and stalk. They target the young, the weak, the sickly, or take advantage of a chaotic situation and go for those separated from the herd. Look at fucksticks like Anjem Choudary for more infamous examples.

Million-Suns · 2017-12-28T06:00:58+00:00

Women and religion, it's the same to me. Both need to stay far away from me.

My perception is that being tied to a dogma telling you how to think, behave and live is opposite to Go Our Own Way. Not compatible.

bhfanatik · 2017-12-28T06:06:09+00:00

I haven't seen any "Muslim proselytizing" here, but I do believe that we need some kind of "white sharia" to keep the bitches in check or else our civilization is going to collapse soon. Gynocentrism, women's suffrage, and women in power = disaster.

ififcanIhaveacoatplz · 2017-12-28T06:16:04+00:00

Lol lol no thanks Muhammad. I don't wanna fuck my cousins and raise an army off mentally retarded hellspawn

Mein_Tarnaccount · 2017-12-28T07:48:31+00:00

Also beware of anyone who claims that this or that horrendous practice is „not part of Islam“ ("I'm an ex-muslim, so you can trust my judgement on this"). It’s called Taqiyya. They’re allowed, even required to deny the truth about their faith in order to protect it from outside attacks.
Don’t fall for it.

EconomistMagazine · 2017-12-28T08:10:38+00:00

MGTOW is about freedom of the individual. Religion, by it's very nature, binds someone to rules that are written by others.

Some men might fall prey to an Ideology during the red pill rage. Anything to get out of the darkness. Stay strong brothers.

SilverGryphon · 2017-12-28T08:41:03+00:00

Islam tells you that if you die in it's name you get numerous virgins. It is simply a scam to lure in desperate men to carry out jihad with the hope of getting pussy when they die.

When they practice polygamy in muslim countries, your are going to have numerous men who statistically speaking, can never ever find a woman, because some rich guy could get up to 7 women for himself. That means that there are 6 other dues who have been shafted each time a rich man has multiple wives.

In the end you have a large portion of men who's only hope of getting laid is in the fabled muslim afterlife. This is why you see so many muslim men going on suicide missions with ISIS or any other terrorist organisation. Islam is the cancer of the world.

The mods of this sub should ban all Islam preachers on site.

Keyhre · 2017-12-28T08:47:02+00:00

As tfm says they have one good quality today, keeping the pimp hand strong. Everything else, nope nope nope.

Mgtow are smart, we make an informed individual morality with all the resources available. Christianity morphed and formed the west, shouldn't discount that, use what you can and disregard the trad.

freethinker1976 · 2017-12-28T10:22:40+00:00

This seem like some kind of veiled jab at MGTOW all being losers.

"because of their perceived lack of masculinity. Their "inability" to achieve reproductive success with women paints them as weak and desperate."

AK47_David · 2017-12-28T10:24:54+00:00

As said in the title, "Men Go Their Own Way", we wouldn't easily be pilled by any external influences, unless they are true. We may take parts of different culture but may not accept the whole.

It is not efficient to convert people to have belief in any form of theist-realted religions. You may go somewhere else.

P. S. How come I think the modern feminist (so-called female supremacists) are easier to be converted (with some better "description")?

throwawayacct221 · 2017-12-28T10:37:52+00:00

I don't know if this post was made at least partly in response to my post. I'm not here to proselytise at all, as far as I'm concerned all the info is available for you to find out whatever path is right for you. The reason Muslims are posting here is because of the clear overlap in MGTOW ideology and Islamic ideology. If people actually are proselytising Islam here, could you point out the posts?

Baldrbaldr · 2017-12-28T10:49:18+00:00

Not to worry. Jesus went his own way as far as women were concerned. The other prophet not so much.

GnarlyDude123 · 2017-12-28T11:36:07+00:00

Praying to Mecca? No thanks

Makonar · 2017-12-28T11:45:44+00:00

I visit this sub daily, but whenever I see a post "lately I've been seeing a lot of this on /r/mgtow" - I must admit I haven't seen any of it. Never. I don't know, maybe I'm not reading it well enough, but those posts are the first and only times I see this issue ever on mgtow.
I don't think it's any of a threat since, any mgtow already understands, that any type of commitment and or dependance - be it to a woman, to an organization or religion is exactly the same wrong approach... mgtow is about not being tied up in such issues, especially those that aggressively seek to control your lives... women and islam are probably the most restrictive on your freedom...

strangerthing7 · 2017-12-28T11:46:43+00:00

Islam is just like Feminism - it's Cancer.

IMR800X · 2017-12-28T13:36:27+00:00

Regardless of what you might think of women in general, any religion that slavishly follows the teachings of a grown-ass man that fucked a 9-year-old little girl is fucking trash.

Mapispema-ta · 2017-12-28T14:50:27+00:00

Cunts gonna cunt i want nothing to do with any women and i am an atheist let these bitches try.

The_Law_of_the_Land · 2017-12-28T15:43:04+00:00

Your perspective of MGTOW as:

Lack of masculinity? Wrong Group, That's Incels
Their "inability" to achieve reproductive success with women? Wrong Group, MGTOW are able and most have but Do Not to reproduce.
Weak and desperate? MGTOW men have taken the strongest position to walk away from their biological imperitive: to mate.

THAT SAID.

I haven't seen any conversion related posts. Examples please

Also MGTOW bros, it's a sign of true intellect to be able to understand another persons ideas without having to accept them.

EDIT: I see what you're saying... This must have started today because until now I haven't seen much but let them peddle away.

orphancrippla · 2017-12-28T15:55:21+00:00

Same goes for the Christian preacher fag too. Religion tends to have some good red pills, but don't forget that at their core they want you to be a good beta provider and nothing more. Take the nuggets of wisdom for what they are and leave the rest before it sucks you in.

poapratensis · 2017-12-29T01:36:07+00:00

I have not noticed but the slightest Muslim proselytizing.

Still, you make good points, though I think you overstate the harm of patriarchy. A soft patriarchy, like what was observed in the formerly Christian nations, which strictly prohibited adultery, bigamy, and divorce, was very good for both men and women.

timin-oo-libin · 2018-06-11T20:33:22+00:00

No not really I never felt like trying to convert you. really I just felt sorry for you guys after realising from this sub how fucked up western women have become. Also we don't use physical violence against women long story short the verse all these feminists use to demonise Islam as a religion that beats women was translated wrong it says if a women refuses to get in bed then beat her lightly as in with a toothbrush or something or throwing a towel as her something that shouldn't actually hurt as a symbolic beating or something I'm not a sheikh so I can't go deep on this topic though I'm sure there are many you can find on the internet that do

UnKnownSurviving · 2017-12-28T08:53:06+00:00

Op, excellent post. This is something that I keep seeing. I will never join Islam. I don't care if one guy is a muslim or that group is moderate form of muslims. I will never join Islam. As Turkey's Erdogan has stated this year: There Is No Moderate Islam, implying there's no difference between a moderate and a full-pledged muslim. They are one and the same.

I don't want muslims pandering to me, by using sympathies, because "not all muslims are like that" speech. Secondly, I don't want muslims coming to me, in full force how Allah is great, and you must believe. I will fuck you up, and butcher you. Never fuck with man who has nothing, and is not required to follow you or obey you, especially if he has his own religion.

Islam is a hard patriarchy and patriarchal societies are detrimental to men. This is because patriarchies foster competition for reproduction and this competition fosters male disposability. In other words men kill each other for access to women.

Agreed. I have said this before, if muslim men think they won't be cucked by their own, and think it won't end up eroded like ours. Then they're even bigger idiots than Christians.

And lately, I keep seeing this in muslims. It's like, they assume I or any guy who is born in secular culture is weak, or not masculine, and think they can appeal to get more "weak" guys into their groups. They are using our culture against us, because they think we won't bark back. My bite is worse than my bark. Don't fucking touch me.

At least Erdogan was honest. That's the only thing I will respect.

eightgaydiamonds · 2017-12-29T07:14:27+00:00

Islam sucks. Muslims get downvotes no exceptions

EsotericXianAlchemy · 2017-12-28T03:34:16+00:00

You don't know Islam very well.

You likely only know the fake terrorists, the "insider" female television stooges and the evil "House of Saud" Arabs.

I'm not going to go into this too deeply but it's quite a matriarchal set-up.

It's not as much as a patriarchy as you've been led to believe.

All worship symbolism is female and the symbolism they (unknowingly) attack via tradition is male.

I know a lot of Muslims and the reason they're promoted by the establishment is because their evil priesthood (a subset of THE evil global priesthood) has them externalising every responsibility to Allah.

So, they allow themselves to be unjustly walked all over without so much outside of a grumble between themselves.

Why? because "only Allah knows why I must suffer".

This is the conditioning.

I'll give an example of one matter of perspective:

The priesthood (not the Qur'an) has them being allowed to take several wives.

Do they take advantage of this?

No.

Not the guys I know.

They are "trad-cuck" dutiful in respect of their wives and families.

It shouldn't be viewed as a "wa-hey! I'm allowed several wives", more like "How many unloving dependent wives can you afford/are you willing to support?"

I'll give another example regarding perspective:

I've been afforded copies of the Qur'an.

"Ooh! They're trying to convert you!"

Nope!

It's because I've earned place as trustworthy brother and, as this is their most revered and sacred texts by which they live their lives, it's to be deemed an honour.

Never has any Muslim tried to convert me.

We try to respect each other and find common spiritual grounding, while avoiding more contentious areas of debate.

They simply wish for one to show some connection to some kind of spiritual faith else they're unlikely to trust you at all.

They're extremely passive people and it's taken me a lot of convincing to get them to stand up for themselves and cover each others backs against what they're beginning to realise is a real threat against all men with a measure of good in their hearts.

Muslim males are very obedient to tradition and generally passive.

I hope this sheds some light on why "the system" uses them so.

The boys I know are good boys, though they're not so bright on account of their entire lives being dictated and laid out for them.

All they can be accused of is lack of individual responsibility.

While that's a very serious issue, it's been hammered into them since birth and throughout their entire lives through traditional expectation of their societies.

They're almost ready-made slaves for abuse - falsely in the name of Allah.

I'm not dissing the religion itself.

It contains truths, as they all do.

Just that the evil priesthood pushes LITERAL interpretations of all, so followers externalise responsibility instead of ever achieving self-actualisation.

Title	Muslims proselytizing on this sub-reddit
Author	TheJamesRocket
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Comments	214
Date	December 28, 2017 12:47 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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