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Well first and third world are just political terms, with no defined or real meaning.

A living wage comes from capitalism. Capitalism is interested in maximum value. Lowering costs are used at times including labor other times increases productivity is more sought after.

Firms, like workers, are self interested and seek the most value in exchange for their available resource. For firms, this is capital resources, for workers, this is labor or skill.

See the worker sells his skills and labor to the firm. Considering both profit motive and time preference, they sell it at less than full value.

The worker profits and the firm profits.

To understand how capitalism protects resources let’s understand when things have a cost associated with them people tend to consume less. Generally the amount that strikes the balance between cost and need.

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Not my problem you're incompetent. Socialism is the go-to choice of losers, and you illustrate my point perfectly. You can't fend for yourself so you want to send tax collectors and men with guns to my door to have me forced to pay your way? Yeah, get fucked faggot.

I'm not having a fucking great time either. I've spent two deployments over seas in fucking shit conditions, heat and squalor, got a degree and worked ten years in my current field, all so I can have my income halved by socialists to be redistributed to an unemployed ex wife, her unemployed husband and my two kids.

If you want to know what a socialist world would look like, just take a look at divorced men and apply that to every facet of life everywhere. That money has to come from somewhere! Don't wanna play along?! Prison/Gulag/Death Squad for you! And that somewhere is typically working, productive men. The second you finally become self-sufficient, your wages will be halved and redistributed to others who would rather not put forth the effort beyod moaning about how life isn't fair on reddit and how they deserve the resources of others.

Honestly, from the bottom of my heart, fuck you. You lazy, entitled piece of narcissistic shit. Plot my fucking Capitalistic balls on your chin.

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Bitch, what? Don't you have your section 8 and obama phones?

I'll tell you where Americans are struggling to live from personal experience. Try Southern California, my home location. Why? Socialist policy!

- Environmental regs killing jobs and entire industries.
- State practically invites drug addicts here with lax drug policy and warm weather.
- 300-400 dollars per year to register a car for ONE year, and that is after you pay some crooked Smog tech 60-80 bucks, many times twice because ooOOhhHHH nnoOO!! You didn't pass that first time! Gotta do it AGAIN!!
- Insane overpopulation thanks to illegal immigration / Insane Commute times.
- High crime rates due to lax Liberal criminal policy and the associated high cost of funding public services to make it appear that the state isn't a complete dumpster fire.
- Nearly 5 bucks per gallon for gas because all of the environmental taxes tied up in petroleum.
- Fucking Baby Boomers everywhere poisoning the world further with their antiquated, "Make love not waaaarrr maaaaaan", "Don't trust anyone over thirty maaaaaaaaann" 40 years past relevant world views and continuing to vote for feel good shit rather than becoming situationally aware, fucking off or dying.
- Illegal immigration drowning out nearly all basic jobs that were typically occupied by American kids or Americans on their second chance in life 30 or 40 years ago".
- Rampant drug use and homelessness thanks to again, lax policy. (Honestly, I think all drugs should be completely legal, but if you choose to do so, Darwin can deal with you. Not tax payer funded shit..)

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You’re a literal joke.

-If an industry is doing so much damage that it gets shut down due to new regulations, it fucking deserves it. -How stupid do you have to be to think a state literally says, “Welcome, addicts!”? -Rally your community and talk to your local politicians about exorbitant vehicular registration practices. -Overpopulation has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with the fact that nobody will fucking stop having kids. The world doesn’t need more people. The greed of these people who refuse to give up having kids is literally slowly killing all life on the planet. -Ever think that people resort to crime because of how poor they are and crime, while being high risk, is often lucrative? -Switch to electric and stop bitching. -The world doesn’t need more war. Military spending is a ridiculously, unnecessarily high expense for us and has an enormous carbon footprint. -If we’re doing so well, American kids don’t need the jobs because mommy and daddy can pay for everything with their huge salaries. If we’re doing so well, Americans don’t need a second chance at lofe because things are so great that they never fucked up in the first place. Since, ya know, homelessness is ALWAYS that person’s fault. -Everybody deserves healthcare regardless of the reason they need it. You think addicts don’t deserve it because “they chose to get addicted”? The person who was just in a vehicle collision chose to get in their car and drive somewhere before hat happened. You gonna deny them too?

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-If an industry is doing so much damage that it gets shut down due to new regulations, it fucking deserves it.

Tell that to all of the furloughed oil field and railroad workers and see if you don't end up with a broken nose or worse.

-How stupid do you have to be to think a state literally says, “Welcome, addicts!”?

They basically do..

-Rally your community and talk to your local politicians about exorbitant vehicular registration practices.

Trump already got that ball rolling. Its in motion as we speak.

-Overpopulation has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with the fact that nobody will fucking stop having kids.

Ah, well I sure as fuck had to stop. Lost more than half my shit for 20 years and can't afford a re-do. But Jose and Maria...? Yeah. They're just firing them off, collecting that sweet sweet american Tax funding and existing within their own indigenous economic microcosm.

-The world doesn’t need more people.

Funny you bring this up. Eugenicists and supporters of it tend to be very controlling, narcissistic sociopaths, whether rich Like Bill Gates or poor like you. Think about how fucked up that notion is. "I, the beacon that is all just and righteous, purveyor of truth and wisdom, forbid you from reproduction."

I mean, how fucked up is that to lord over someone or even support the revocation of another human's right, decision and base biological prerogative to have a fucking child? Its sick. Whats your game plan Mr. Communist Utopia? Drown all the female infants? Fucking sicko. So, free medical is supposedly a right, but Child bearing should not be a right? Fucking christ I hope we retain our guns to defend ourselves from authoritarian assholes like you.

-literally slowly killing all life on the planet.

The planet is not dying. It isn't Its not even close to dying! Petroleum Oil is as naturally occurring on this planet as moss and is the second most common naturally occurring fluid on earth. There were a multitude times more caustic emissions emitted from the Mt. St. Hellens eruption in 89' then of all human economic production since the industrial revolution. And that was a small eruption compared to the thousands, or tens of thousands of others. We're still here. Green Energy and Environmental regs, yes do need to be in place. Industry can be reckless and specific controls and measures need to be set in place but for the most part, Green Energy and Radical environmentalism is a government power-grab. Its an authoritarian nightmare fabricated of a boogy man, skewed statistics and hyperbole.

-Switch to electric and stop bitching.

Oh well here is the actual down-side of my prior argument. The consumption of rare-earth materials for the use in manufacturing batteries, solar panels and electronics and the excavation practices used to mine them from the earth. At the moment, an ecological, logistical and humanitarian nightmare. Why not just go with hydrogen? hhhmmMMMMM??? Easy to produce! The most abundant element in the universe! High energy potential and ZERO carbon emissions! Why no huge push for hydrogen? Because the Rare Earth miners and their interests beat hydrogen to the punch. Quantifiable energy is lucrative. Free energy is not.

-The world doesn’t need more war. Military spending is a ridiculously, unnecessarily high expense for us and has an enormous carbon footprint.

Uh...yes agreed but we can't stop the spending now. The labyrinth of treaties, technology and finance is too great to de-construct. I believe myself to be a Smedley Butler of lesser sorts but the time for reflecting on yesteryear and all of the good shit associated with it is far from over and gone. Blame your parents.

....Oh and fuck you and your "carbon footprint" bullshit. Oh my god.. Lets all sit in a fucking circle and and sing LESBIAN SEAGULL!!

-If we’re doing so well, American kids don’t need the jobs because mommy and daddy can pay for everything with their huge salaries.

What the delusional fuck are you talking about? Yeah...okay. You're confirmed crazy. I'm done entertaining this shit. Go jerk off to your Bernie poster or some shit. I don't give a fuck.

Loser.

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Lol, you say this sitting from the comfort of your home which decades of imperialism and genocide has awarded you, the happy consumer, with a material abundance you never toiled and bled to secure, and thus hardly deserve.

How many family members have you gotten to watch get ripped in half; shit, blood, and stomach bile spewing forth in a fountain of death because an Apache attack helicopter deceived you were target practice? How many drone strikes have you had to endure?

Do you know what it’s like to be forced off your land, raped, murdered and driven to near extinction for no other reason than “progress” and Manifest Destiny?

You were born into a debt you will spend an entire life of wage slaving to climb out of. You will likely die having been spoon fed a diet only consisting of the “America dream” and being told anything is possible as long as you pull yourself up from your bootstraps. Likely you’ll die in debt, which will pass onto your children, who will also get stuck with an exorbitant ambulance bill for just dumping your decaying ass off at the morgue.

Capitalism has allowed the very DNA that holds us together to become privatized and owned by a corporation. Don’t believe me? Look up Glaxo Smith Klines buyout of 23 and me. Capitalism has allowed special interest groups -mostly respirating the massive oligarchal corporations that view you as nothing but a number.

The MIC, big pharm, big Agra, the international banking cartel, a for-profit prison system, the massive inflation we see today because of the petro-dollar isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on, and even USA incorporating, to name a few, all exist because of capitalism. Round-up, Teflon, agent Orange, the war on drugs, the never ending war in the Middle East, militarized civilian police that kill people and get paid vacations, politicians and banksters that steal tax payer money and get off Scott free, and the increased cost of living all exist because of capitalism.

Capitalism is a system that values profit and strives for profit over any and all prerogatives. Capitalism stops at nothing and will stomp on anything or snuff or any human life that intervenes or threatens to disrupt the flow of $.

Capitalism, like every other production system that’s existed since the 19th century is highly ineffective, inefficient, and out-dated.

Capitalism is not the lesser or two evils. Arguing which is worse is a waste of time and a distraction from trying to theorize a new system that benefits the progress of man-kind, rather than a small, evil elite that if were to ever have to interface with normal people like us would look on us with pure hatred and disdain. They hate humanity and are working steadily towards its reduction.

Lol unmarked graves...think about what you said a little more critically.

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Both Capitalism and Communism have people who exploit the system for personal profit. The difference is where in Capitalism in the US, people have the ability to call it out and boycott it freely without it actually effecting their lives, in communism, it's really only products based on needs and the collectivist mindset. Many people who fled communist states like Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, Latvia, Cuba, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia and Eastern Germany, for examples, stated that the quality of life in the Western Capitalist states were of higher standard compared to Eastern Bloc states...

I believe in a free market system where small businesses can thrive without feeling as if they're going to be overpowered by corporate entities. The problem is that corporate entities can streamline and mass sale their products with a higher availability of stock and product producers compared to small businesses, or, like Microsoft and Apple, have an overwhelmingly successful monopoly on particular products of their industry with very few challenging competitors (phones being the only competitive market for Google, Samsung and Apple)...

No system provides all the answers, but for me, I prefer to not have government telling me what I do and dont need, and collectivist taking any property that I could have because it's not "fair" to those who haven't achieved what I have achieved...

And that's where the difference of Capitalism and Communism comes in.

Communism takes what you have in excess for redistribution, despite your earning it by your own hard work.

Capitalism is letting you keep it and share it towards a good cause without any provocation or a gun to yours or your family's head...

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Title	Thought this belonged here
Author	msgtlope3
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Comments	176
Date	November 12, 2019 5:33 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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