"Only Low Quality Men go MGTOW"

stabitandsee · 2021-02-23T20:24:06+00:00

Low quality? Who the fuck are we (humans) to judge each other by our own narrow blinkers? I went MGTOW after two long term relationships broke down and making and losing several million dollars. I no longer give a fuck what anyone thinks of me and just get on with whatever I'm doing. Do I wish I hadn't blown the money on silly stuff sure but I'm not gonna take it with me when I'm dead and I managed to only lose 1/4 of it to my daughter's mum so I think of that more as an investment in the kids who I hope go their own way too rather than following the sheep. The hatred is because we don't fit the prevalent world view of how we should be.

30203forever · 2021-02-23T20:24:22+00:00

The hatred of this movement makes no sense.

Yes, it does. You see, it's the numbers game where the opposition is trying their best to discourage as many men as possible from the lifestyle and gaslight them into the role of providers/indentured servants. That's why the females "do not understand/hate" MGTOW: it's next to impossible for someone to understand something when their income depends on NOT understanding it. P.S. Welcome to the club, bro, enjoy your freedom and mercilessly cut the mindless sheeple out your life, if needed.

RatingsOutOfTen · 2021-02-23T20:45:05+00:00

There are a lot of low quality women who were THOTs, and now are 30 and are in their post THOT days. Women think that you have your fun, and then settle down. It doesn't work that way, and it's not just when 30 hits... its more like when 25-27 hits. Women don't realize that back when they were 25, men weren't going to ask them for marriage either. Marriage and romance and all of that is a young person's game. It's actually kind of a foolish endeavor, but it's great for families if the marriage stays together and they both do their roles.

Then there are a lot of low quality men. There are incels, who need no explaination. They are deemed unworthy, and even though they may be able to find a woman or two if they try, they still have to deal with the utter mess that is modern dating. Then there are the men who otherwise would get better paying jobs, but opt out of that as well because to live as a single man isn't that hard or expensive.

I know all of the lurkers will rattle off in their heads all of the men that they know who buy microbrew beer, buy expensive beard oil, buy gourmet bacon, own a sports car... etc.... yeah-no... thats men who are posturing. Those are the men that compete to date you. Thats not the men who choose to stay single and value their resources.

Substantial-Dealer76 · 2021-02-23T20:32:38+00:00

I no longer base my value on female validation. This is the trap many men fall into as it ties into that traditional role of a man as a provider on one hand and on the other how successful a man has been in engagements with women.

I am of the belief that a man’s value lies in his labors and the fruits of those labors but after some dialogue here I have modified it. The fruits of a man’s labors are not exclusively monetary but can invoke pursuits that challenge a man mentally, physically and spiritually.

And although succeeding in our goals brings the greatest of happiness there is also joy in the labor itself and without joy then success isn’t quite as fulfilling. We also tend to not value the fruits of our labor as much if achievement comes with little or no effort.

There has to be joy in the struggle and appreciation of the journey. And this is where a man learns and knows himself. It has nothing to do with validation (and specifically female validation) because their tendency is to only recognize and validate success once the journey and struggle is over.

You, and only you can determine your true quality through your labors, your struggles and how you deal with them.

BubblyBath7 · 2021-02-23T20:27:58+00:00

Yep you're gay, a nazi and a terrorist if you disagree because we don't think for ourselves and your opinion bothers us. People who resort to ad-hominem as a first argument should be ignored.

Ed_Bronson · 2021-02-23T22:33:42+00:00

They denounce because they are frightened

CuriousIncel2 · 2021-02-24T00:40:15+00:00

I would literally prefer to be called incel, loser, low value etc to getting married.

TRPonlySubsBanTRPppl · 2021-02-23T20:39:47+00:00

Who cares? Let them hate. Let them decide that I'm unworthy of them. I'm going to drink beer, let my gut out, and bathe my upper body in Cheeto crumbs. I am a low quality man. So be it.

You can think that you are MGTOW and be wrong. It's best if SHE believes you are MGTOW. It's best if THEY ALL believe you are MGTOW. I am going to be untouchable, a -1 on a scale of 1 to 10. No woman will want me. They will tell ME that I'm MGTOW and then I will pretend to be an offended simp who cares about their opinion. They will ignore me and discard me. I will be nothing to them. They will not know that I am the king, for they will think that I am the lowest of the low.

Yet I will survive!!!

bunnytron · 2021-02-23T23:18:00+00:00

They classify MGTOW as low value because they associate the community with sexism and general woman bashing. They see MGTOW as men who swear off women and seek to pay for sex to avoid relationships.

The women’s version of MGTOW doesn’t swear off men or seek to only pay men for sex. I read parts of their mission statement ... it’s pretty long. They basically seek men that accept women aging (growing old together), that split household duties and rearing of children, that have jobs, general hygiene and upkeep of romantic gestures. If these can’t be met they don’t swear off men, but prefer to be alone vs. dating “low-value”.

The men they all want to date and put on pedestals exhibit traits that the redpill call “simping,” but if women exhibit the same traits toward men ... it is considered a positive trait in women. The women version of MGTOW consider it hypocritical to want behavior that isn’t intended to be reciprocated. This = selfish, thus low value to them.

2340859764059860598 · 2021-02-24T02:48:26+00:00

Funny because my first ever contact with men going their own way was with young professionals, rich and in shape. I couldn't understand why they just dismissed relationships and I started thinking about it. One of them drives a Maserati and another has a restaurant chain on the side. Women were throwing themselves at them. Although they never told me anything, it made me think long and hard and I started to suspect something was up

BroBro18070 · 2021-02-24T00:45:07+00:00

Think for a minute, you have guys enslaving themselves to some ungrateful fat wife, that get marital petty sex once a month trying to come in here and trying to rationalize their own situation. They can't comprehend the fact that you're unwilling to enslave yourself to pussy. It becomes a dick measuring contest, yet the way they try to measure success is a way that caters to what they're pursuing and only that, meaning you cannot win an argument. MGTOW is literally doing what you want to do, unhindered by expectations or realities of normal people. If I were to go around trying to get in the good graces of everybody who criticizes my way of living and convince them that I'm right even though they're not versed in the material, that defeats the purpose of MGTOW, it means I'm pursuing their validation instead of my goals. Low quality by which standard? These vague insults with no way of quantifying or proving them wrong serve no other purpose than in insult you. I've heard guys give positives of being married like "married men make more money" or "they're more ambitious and work longer hours" like that's a positive thing to strive for. Imagine going back 200 years ago, being a black slave and somebody shaming you for not aspiring to be the good performing slave that picks more cotton on the farm. These guys are grasping for straws. Sure, married men make more money (maybe 10% more let's say) but they get to keep a hell of a lot less. There are guys out here everyday who talk about how money was magically left in their account after every paycheck, increasing rapidly once their woman was gone. Gee, I wonder why. You hear of married guys who literally can't go out and buy a PS5 because all her expenses come first, despite making $70k or whatever. That's ridiculous. Shaming language bro, don't listen to shaming language.

cleats4u · 2021-02-23T23:47:58+00:00

I would say the simps women are winding up with are the low quality. Women shat on all the middle men for decades. Now they get pumped and dumped by Chad/Tyrone or they are with a complete simp. Women are actually fighting over the simps now! And he ain't got no money either! If you actually listen to women, all the middlemen dropping out...they are calling this abuse. Lol.

Frosty-Gate-8094 · 2021-02-24T06:43:28+00:00

It's almost like LTRs and marriage are destined to fail, especially since nothing lasts forever.

LTRs and marriages failed even in the traditional society. It was rare, and the costs were high(of failure), so people preferred to stay in a slightly unhappy marriage.
Most importantly, the fruits of success and costs of failure were both almost equally divided.

But the 2nd wave feminism, no-fault divorce and the divorce revolution changed everything.

Now, the benefits are given to women mostly and the costs of divorce is borne by the husband.

Naturally, marriages fail more often. And women initiate most divorces (because they have little to no cost).

So ultimately, I have to ask, why does refusing to accept simpdom and servitude make you low quality? Why does refusing to settle for being a "betabux" make you low quality? Why are bad boy chads the standard all men must live up to in order to win the "pick me" game that women always try to play? Why is MGTOW considered something only betas do, when most who can be considered alpha are already living a pretty MGTOW life? The hatred of this movement makes no sense.

Firstly I'll clarify that, MGTOW is not a movement. Society opposes it because MGTOW threatens the foundations of our society. The nuclear family.
It will never be accepted at a social level.

If enough men go MGTOW, there will be coercive measures like bachelor tax. But widespread recognition is never going to happen. (Bachelor tax will fail eventually).

If you think, MGTOW will convince the government to negotiate men's rights. It's not gonna happen.

Once MGTOW becomes widespread, there are only two possibilities. Either government will succeed in coercive measures. (Unlikely). Or collapse of the civilisation as we know it.

Dls95405 · 2021-02-24T04:03:06+00:00

Of course women think mgtow is low quality. If you are of no utility, no source of resources, to a woman, you are low quality.

csehszlovakze · 2021-02-24T02:28:41+00:00

I'm glad they think we're low quality for going our own way... it makes ghosting a lot easier.

UnearthlyDinosaur · 2021-02-24T02:11:46+00:00

Women want you to think MGTOW is for low quality men so that you simp for them.

Cad3Con3e11y · 2021-02-24T10:43:15+00:00

The irony is that even if it were true, women would still care because even an LVM can pay $5/month for her low-tier Onlyfans.

If enough of the LVM's quit their income stream will suffer. Hence the attempts to pre-emptively ban something that doesn't really yet exist (sexbots)

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corundum88 · 2021-02-25T10:50:18+00:00

All the insults and condescension is usually shaming tactics or projection. Don’t think anything of it.

ChainsawJones1984 · 2021-02-24T18:31:54+00:00

If you're not marriage material, imagine who you are low-value to?

This is like a slave asking his master if he has value? Do you think the master is going build him up? Tell him stuff that might inspire him not to want to be a slave.

All the shame talk is just that language. Don't be a loser, go make all the money you can so you give it to me, so me and my current boy toy will have a crib to hang out.

QuickDrawDinoHunter · 2021-02-24T22:54:31+00:00

Why?

Because they are scared. Their whole way of life is dangling by a couple fingernails. Without men giving women everything, women would have nothing.

plamplamthrow0321 · 2021-02-24T00:37:02+00:00

only a low quality woman knows what shit like an incel, mgtow, etc. is.

normal people like chad and becky dont know or care lmao

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Title	"Only Low Quality Men go MGTOW"
Author	Gaddammitkyle
Upvotes	42
Comments	60
Date	February 23, 2021 8:17 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW2
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