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‘Controversial’ proposal would see young NSW men banned from driving until they turn 21 | New South Wales

rbrockway

September 10, 2022
181 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/09/controversial-proposal-would-see-young-nsw-men-banned-from-driving-until-they-turn-21
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Title ‘Controversial’ proposal would see young NSW men banned from driving until they turn 21 | New South Wales
Author

rbrockway

Upvotes 181
Comments 44
Date September 10, 2022 4:19 AM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/xafsbk/controversial_proposal_would_see_young_nsw_men/
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Comments

[–]zeerust2000 143 points144 points145 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Either you ban everyone under 21 or you ban no-one.

[–]UnderstoodColor1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

This would severely cripple the educational/economic opportunities of 18-21 males. If passed, I hope it would lead to mass protests and boycotts.

[–]RatDontPanic 29 points30 points31 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And mass emigration. Let's see how NSW operates without any men around.

[–]barndoor101 30 points31 points32 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

<Demographic> should be banned from <Activity> due to <Statistic>

Totally not a slippery slope there that can be applied in any -ist manner /s

[–]Embarrassed-Lemon-69 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We should make posters of this comment and put them up everywhere we can.

[–]Ott7618 54 points55 points56 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don’t see it going anywhere. People make all sorts of proposals that mostly get ignored

[–]Starmind0 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The mere existence of it is enough to call out the sexism, though.

[–]Jakeybaby125 34 points35 points36 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is Australia mate. Wouldn't be surprises if it gets passed

[–]No-Knowledge-8867 65 points66 points67 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I doubt the gender discrepancy in road accidents would look anywhere as bad if we measured it against hours driven. To do so though would go against their agenda

[–]Veythrice 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

By all variables measured young men have worse road fatalities. Including miles driven. This is compared to even older men who drive more miles and more dangerous hours.

The only hypocritical aspect about this is the controversy of any such law that would be proposed barring women from equal access to men based on any other data point.

[–]copeharderhun 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. If you take into account hours driven and NUMBER of accidents (not damage caused) then women are far far worse drivers than men over all.

Should we ban women from driving cos of that?

[–]PonderingMan33 30 points31 points32 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did they really say that men's brain development is slower? Wasnt that the argument in the past to stop women from science related roles? So women bad sexist, men bad logical.... And they say world would be better if it was run by women. All things point to a worse...

[–]user93475567654556781 points 3 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

What i was 19, i drove a 4 cylinder 1980 Volvo station wagon. I had been driving for 18 months clean. My girlfriend at the time was driving a 1989 Mustang 5.0. She had been driving 3 months and had been in 3 accidents.

My insurance- $125 a month for liability

Her insurance- $40 a month for full coverage

[–]vwatchrepair 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Insane. This is quite common. I was 19 in the navy, and tried to buy a very used Z28. The insurance quote was double the car payment. And the salesman was like, "So, are you ready to close the deal?" I didn't buy the car. I mean, I could've, but it would've just sat because I'd have zero money for gas. lol. Ridiculous.

[–]SpawinsInKamenka 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had a Toyota T18. It was considered a sports car because it was two door.

[–]RandomYT05 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am going to admit, despite being mildly discriminatory to men, while also being a man myself, this is just not right. And while I am not trying to be political as it would cause either one half, the other half, or everyone to hate me, I can't keep quiet about the fact that this is discrimination and a violation of civil rights. And I would also like to point out unfeasible, because there are many people between 18 and 21 living on their own with their own house and car, driving to work and just living their lives.

[–]top_dink 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And let's not forget about jobs and positions that require you to have your own reliable method of transportation to even consider you. This is a proposal in Australia but if it got passed where I live id actually have to step down.

[–]Samniss_Arandeen 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So we start teaching people a new skill right around the point when their brains stop developing. Gotcha.

[–]Hound_of_Hell 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Im 20 in NSW. Yikes

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No come on!

I am from South Aus. Driving and cars has been my passion forever, just about to be old enough to drive on the road.

I already know the road rules and am confident that I could drive safer than half of the drivers older than 21 on the road. This proposal would be wrong on so many levels, but its support would come from those influenced by the media. We never stop hearing stories of teenagers dying in car crashed (some of them potential suicide), but the media's message is that they are too immature to drive.

[–]Digital_Demon7 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So...punish males for male behavior. First in school, then in practical life.

[–]foreverclassichunter 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Equality though

[–]rbrockway[S] 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's unlikely to proceed but it's notable that it's being discussed.

If the state of NSW did this you'd just see a lot of these young men leave for other states. It'd have to be national to be effective but most Australians have the option to live in New Zealand too. Imagine 10% of men 18-21 leaving NSW. It would be a crisis.

This would also result in young women doing a lot more driving as their boyfriends wouldn't be allowed to. I'm sure the women would love that.

[–]RatDontPanic 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL knowing most women we'd have a situation where far fewer men would be in relationships until after 21.

[–]nooneinteresting-1 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Then when women start causing more accidents due to phone usage are they going to realise?

[–]Square-Bodybuilder63 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They already do where I am. Anytime I see a collision there is always a woman involved with a smashed in front end looking dumb founded.

[–]ijustdontcare74 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And women file for divorce 80% of the time, perhaps we should introduce a law banning women from filing? See how that works? Sexism seems only to be wrong when it’s against men.

[–]Laytheblameonluck 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men drive more than women for their jobs.

[–]Bernard245 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Wake me up when we lose male sufferage

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sadly as a man you will never wake up I fukin hat this planet the human race just pisses me of good luck out there fellow men

[–]Rassy2 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Gl to you too, brother. We just have to get creative living around it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep🤝🙏

[+]GeheimerAccount -26 points-25 points-24 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Honestly if it is true that young men have a much higher risk at causing accidents than women, I wouldn't even say that this is discrimminating, it's just pragmatic. They don't really prove it well in the article, since they only look at absolute values, not relative ones.

[–]Shuddemell666 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

It also violates due process. I'm not sure if Australia is the same, but in the US the government is barred from discriminating or punishing you for something you might do. Intent can factor into a prosecution, but it alone is sufficient for NOTHING. It's the same reason red flag laws and incarceration without an impending trial is unconstitutional.

[–]Shuddemell666 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So exactly how does society do that? One way is by protecting our rights as sovereign individuals, of which due process is one of them. So the idea that you ignore due process, in and of itself is a rejection of what our society decided long ago. There's a process for changing it too. But outright ignoring it is both unethical and unconstitutional.

[+]GeheimerAccount -9 points-8 points-7 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Women and men often have different laws, because man and women are different. It's not automatically discrimination just because different people are handled differently.

[–]Shuddemell666 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

In the US it is against the law. Sex is a protected characteristic and discrimination by the government based on that is ILLEGAL. (Not saying it doesn't happen, and is often ignored, particularly when the wronged party is male, but it is technically illegal.)

[+]GeheimerAccount -8 points-7 points-6 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That might be true, but I'm not arguing over whether it's legal, but over whether it's moral

[–]Zephyr9865 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Majority of child abusers and murderers are female.

Let's ban women from getting anywhere close to children.

Still moral?

[–]GeheimerAccount -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's all a matter of benifits it gives society vs harm it does to society. I'm fairly sure that banning women from getting near children is doing more harm than good. Whether rising the legal age of driving for men to 21 is benificial I can't tell for sure if course and I didn't say I am, but if it is, it would be a good thing to do it.

[–]Shuddemell666 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And who makes the determination of what is a benefit to scociety? Social engineering is fascist nonsense.

[–]GeheimerAccount -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Society does. But besides that I was just explaining what I think about that topic. I wasn't saying that my opinion is universally true or anything like that

[–]Mailingriver_ 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re kidding me.

[–]antifeminist3 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can see how feminists would love this, since it would impair the young men from getting jobs by limiting men's mobility, forcing employers to higher disproportionately women.

They should argue from a discrimination against men point of view.

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