Does it bother you when a restaurant makes all men cooks and all women waitresses? (Waffle House, Sonic, etc)

Secret555 · 2012-04-22T17:29:40+00:00

I remember when I had just completed my bartender's course and began to look for work in the industry. A lot of the ads asking for bartender's or serving jobs ended up with me being asked if I had or would be interested in working in the kitchen instead. I eventually found something at a small venue but my frustration with the industry led me to other fields.

ScopeOfTheFatedSky · 2012-04-22T21:50:45+00:00

I worked at a restaurant and it was about fifty/fifty genderwise for each job, even with managers- half women and half men. A couple of my girlfriends were cooks, one was even the dishwasher. Honestly the guy waiters usually got better tips because of how charming they were.

Everyone that I knew that worked at any restaurant had the same experience, except for Hooters.

sibqm_lmvm · 2012-04-23T03:40:53+00:00

I dont think I've ever seen a Waffle House or Sonic that had only women as waitresses or only men as chefs... I'm going to assume that I'm either weird, or just from a place where both genders are qualified for both jobs...

dakru · 2012-04-22T17:37:29+00:00

People just like women better, so it's good for business.

Alanna · 2012-04-22T18:40:15+00:00

Is there evidence these restaurants discriminate for these positions based on gender? I've had two female cook friends, one is about to graduate from culinary school and is currently working as a cook in the student food court.

zeffydotnet · 2012-04-22T20:25:28+00:00

Go to more waffle houses, not all males are cooks and vice versa.

clockworkgirl21 · 2012-04-22T23:12:22+00:00

I used to be a waitress at Steak n Shake. There were no male servers. Men and women worked the kitchens, but only women served.

Hamakua · 2012-04-22T23:14:03+00:00

Not true.

I am not sure of your sample size, but I have seen many male and female servers.

Male line cooks are insanely common, but I think it's a matter of choice. I think the guys who work on the grill don't mind the hard work and heat, it gets nasty back there. Not comfortable at all. You also need to continuously produce. It is really hard to "slack off" as a line cook, or anything in a kitchen.

Servers can easily hop out for a smoke brake, neglect a table for a minute or two, or shirk responsibility more easily. If you attempted similar as a line cook you would be fired within a week., if not a day.

I think if there are differences, they are there as choices the two genders make.

Out of maybe... what, 20 line cooks I have worked with, I have known one female. She was pretty, did her job well, not anything outside of the "norm" of how women are seen by society, but she was the only one.

I never even seen any women try for being a line-cook and fail.

From the above, while anecdotal, you could easily expand it to verify or at least corroborate the gender/wagegap conclusions of many studies recently.

And an exception you are ignoring is fast food.

I see as many "mcdonalds" female employees as male employees, and from what I can tell, everyone does everything. My sister's first "real job" was working at Checkers. Mine was working at Friendly's (NY, LI).

TerriChris · 2012-04-22T23:40:49+00:00

Some of best restaurants are owned by male chefs. In the best restaurants abroad, the waiters are male.

But I notice all female staff at many companies including banking, child care, restaurants, retail,

2012-04-22T23:43:00+00:00

I frequent a blue collar pub that exclusively has females as waitresses. For the demographic being served, it makes business sense. I don't mind looking at their cute butts from time to time either.

The kitchen staff, with exception to one homely woman, is all men.

Do I agree with this? I'm half and half. With the hospitality industry, the customer needs to feel comfortable and enjoy themselves.

I believe that men are better suited as bartenders or chefs. Women are better hostesses or servers. Looks, charisma and talent all play an important role.

JohnAdamZiolkowski · 2012-04-23T00:10:45+00:00

Yes. Similarly, it bothers me that in the grocery industry, women are usually in cash, and men are usually in stock. The women that aren't in cash are working in produce, and the men that aren't working in stock are in the butcher shop.

Of course, my experiences come purely from a small backwater town... does anyone else have similar anecdotal "proof" of this pattern?

PeterArching · 2012-04-23T01:48:15+00:00

The headline makes me imagine a waffle house press gang abducting me and forcing me to cook breakfasts.

Wordshark · 2012-04-23T05:10:34+00:00

An acquaintance once told me that male servers almost always get smaller tips than female ones (he also said that the best way to get terrible tips was to be a young white man serving a middle-aged black couple, or a young black man serving a middle-aged white couple).

InvaderDJ · 2012-04-23T07:07:32+00:00

I've had male waiters at the Waffle House and Sonic. They do seem to be mostly women though.

I don't think I've seen many female cooks but I never really notice the cooks anyway.

froderick · 2012-04-23T15:35:30+00:00

I've noticed a similar gender disparity at some restaurants, yes. The wait-staff will be mixed-gender (but still mostly female), yet all the cooks you can see in the back are male. Hell, I see the same at fast food places in Australia too. Most of the time, the people who take orders in the drive-through or the cash register are female, but when you look in the back where they're putting the burgers together, mostly guys.

It isn't even confined to the food industry. People who are the first contact point for a business (receptionists and the like) are overwhelmingly female. Ring up your bank? I did recently because of an issue with a new credit card, had to call them back multiple times. That time (and all the ones in the past), I dealt with female call operators.

Essentially, the people who act as the interface between the business and the public (those who take orders, who answer phones, etc) are overwhelmingly female.

memymineown · 2012-04-22T17:41:16+00:00

If they do it. That is fine. But if they refuse jobs to people who would be otherwise qualified, that is not okay.

rightsbot · 2012-04-22T16:44:17+00:00

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Title	Does it bother you when a restaurant makes all men cooks and all women waitresses? (Waffle House, Sonic, etc)
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Date	April 22, 2012 4:43 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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