Harvard student trivializes the false rape problem

PierceHarlan · 2012-02-28T15:41:46+00:00

I brought up the issue of false rape with my wife, who attended university and lived on residence. I couldn't believe the stories she told me about girls spreading rumours about being raped. Girls she'd seen take guys home from a club (even two guys for a threesome), knowing full-well what they were getting into. Then the next day, hung over and feeling regretful, and only then deciding to call it rape. Most of them wouldn't report it to police but spread rumours about it instead.

I am supposedly the MRA but my wife's perspective and her account of false rape accusations at university made me feel like a false rape apologist.

PierceHarlan · 2012-02-28T17:43:47+00:00

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ideophone · 2012-02-28T17:27:45+00:00

I agree with most of this article, but I do have one question about this quote: "the actual test for rape/sexual assault focuses instead on whether a person in the position of the male would have reasonably understood the woman's words and conduct to manifest consent."

Based on this quote, what happens if a drunk individual (male or female) actually does rape another person in the most conventional of senses - "victim" says no, expresses emotional distress, makes physical moves to stop the individual, etc, and individual has sex with him/her anyway?

Being intoxicated, this individual may not have "reasonably understood the (victim's) words and conduct". The point I'm trying to make is, in the same way that a woman's subjective experience of unwanted sex cannot be the ultimate litmus test for rape, neither can the man's subjective experience be. The real test for rape should not be whether "a person in the position of the male would have reasonably understood the woman's words and conduct to manifest consent," but whether or not there is PROOF of rape - witnesses, physical evidence, etc.

2012-02-28T14:44:01+00:00

That's the new rape culture. Now it's about the normalization of false rape accusations.

Unenjoyed · 2012-02-28T16:55:35+00:00

His articles are typically over wrought. He'll make a fine yellow journalist some day.

A_Nihilist · 2012-02-28T18:40:02+00:00

It's not a problem many Harvard kids would face. Even if the claim were true, their parents would hire them the best lawyers and get the charges dropped.

TheeCandyMan · 2012-02-28T18:19:56+00:00

Let's be honest here. If a guy ends up falsely accused of rape, he almost always put himself in this position through poor choices. Associating with women who are capable of making these kinds of accusations is basically asking for this to happen.

woofoo · 2012-02-28T23:38:16+00:00

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Title	Harvard student trivializes the false rape problem
Author	PierceHarlan
Upvotes	81
Comments	44
Date	February 28, 2012 2:34 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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