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[–]typhonblue 55 points56 points57 points 13 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Well, it could be read two ways. A statement on the stupidity of dads or a statement on the slyness of dads.
He could be helping her learn big words covertly.
[–]Trotrot 41 points42 points43 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
damn optimists always ruining the circlejerk.
[–]qronick 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Not really, because how many people see that second interpretation?
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[–]HarrietPotter27 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Maybe we have different ideas about what a "joke" is.
[–]qronick 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well, that puts a whole different color on the world out there. I guess all the rank disrespect I see for men is really just an inverted compliment. I guess I'd better go back to the blue pills now.
[–]typhonblue 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No... most of it is rank disrespect. And far more obviously so.
Charitable reading and all.
[–]IsADragon 24 points25 points26 points 13 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
This looks like it might be out of context to be honest. Either that or it's just a silly joke, defying expectations of the adult normally being the one to handle the big words and help the child sleep.
You're either reading too much into the cartoon or it has some other context. . .imo
[–]ErasmusMRA 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
One way to find out if a cartoon plays on negative stereotypes is to switch the sexes. What if the kid was a boy, and the adult his mother. Would the boy saying, "Mom, I'm never going to fall asleep if I have to keep helping you with the big words." be acceptable? I think not.
[–]IsADragon 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't think it is fair to label this as sexist unless there is some wider context dealt with in the cartoon that's not included. To me it just looks like a silly cartoon. If the genders were reversed I would also have no problem with it and there is also a "stupid woman" trope. It's just a dumb joke, I don't think it is worth getting offended at.
The boys are stupid throw rocks at them would be an example of an offensive cartoon. It's a wide sweeping allegation. This on the other hand can be taken as an isolated incident, and again, unless there is a wider context not shown in the cartoon snippet above, is just a silly joke. If it was captioned with something like "In every girls room across America" or something, then yes it would be offensive.
[–]ErasmusMRA 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
On a case by case basis I agree with you. The problem is when we are bombarded with unrealistic images of bumbling dads or inept husbands in the media. And it's in children's programs now as well. This creates problems for both genders through unrealistic expectations. Boys don't try as hard, and girls are frustrated when they can't live up to the image, or worse, develop a personality disorder.
[–]bwowowow 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The thing with sexism is that it's the "silly" stuff that gets into our consciousness. Overtly sexist stuff is immediately identified and resisted.
This is definitely sexist. It's not like "the author is a sexist!"but rather that this comic can exist because of our sexist cultural attitudes.
Writers of single-panel comics have to be very specific in their choice of visual communication to ensure clarity of meaning. The choices to make the "illiterate parent" a male and the "child smarter than parent" a female was chosen because it makes the most sense to its audience over other combinations.
[–]funnyfaceking 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
but it's not implicit in the cartoon
[–]qronick 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No, you mean it is not explicit in the cartoon. It is implicit, for sure.
[–]funnyfaceking 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
yes, i suppose. i wasn't sure i got the word right, and I had to take an important phone call before i could check the proper definition. my apologies.
[–]piar 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not sure if serious, or continuing the joke.
[–]electriophile 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually, I don't see a problem with either scenario. It's not uncommon for children to have better vocabularies or math skills than their parents, who have been out of school for a while and haven't needed to use the word "crepuscular" since their last spelling bee.
[–]KingN -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I think it would be, I don't think this comic is trying to comment on gender
[–]ErasmusMRA 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
'Stupid dad' is a common trope in the media. See for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9AB8387A4AB3EEC5
[–]KingN 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm not debating that, I'm just saying that I don't think this particular comic is using that particular trope
[–]qronick 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I do.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This actually reminds me of my childhood. My parents were immigrants and I was a fast learner. I mostly learned how to read by having subtitles on and the volume off on my cartoons. After a while, I was correcting my parents so much that I ended up reading to them until I felt tired.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
This totally belongs in a r/mensrights. Totally. Please stop this shit. When people are directed here to learn more, this is not what we'd like them to see.
[–]Hoodwink 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Images in gender studies is the usual method to show reinforcement of negative image roles of male and females. This is basic gender studies 101. Although, usually you only get negative female images and only positive images of males.
[–]Enderkr 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Completely agree - though it's been a few years since my women's studies classes (mid 2000s), this is exactly the type of cartoon the book was full of, except showcasing sexism against women.
Whut?
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Which part didn't you understand?
First sentence. Do you think it belongs here or not? Stop what? Posting such things here? Or drawing cartoons like this? The last sentence implies that you think such things don't belong here.
Personally, I think it does belong here. Since I had the red pill forced down my throat, I see this kind of subtle crap all the time and I am consistently bemused at its apparent invisibility to so many.
[–]damnfooldamn 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Little kids wise beyond their years? Misandry!
[–]qronick -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Yes, when the straight-man for their snark is necessarily a man.
Do us a favor, all you nay-sayers out there, find us one counter-example where mom is the idiot, huh?
[–]damnfooldamn 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Come the fuck on it's a "kids are smarter than adults" trope but boohoo it's only bad when it the dumb adult is a man. Ever seen South Park? American Dad? Plenty of idiot moms on those shows but keep on truckin' pal.
[–]damnfooldamn -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
South Park is pretty popular brah
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[–]damnfooldamn -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Being anti-mainstream and edgy is mainstream. It's been thoroughly absorbed by the mainstream at this point. Rock music was considered counterculture once.
[–]qronick -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nope, never watched more South Park, nor American Dad, than was necessary to determine they weren't for me. Shrug.
But you still haven't answered the question - I'd like to see a counter-example, it would brighten my day, just a smidgen.
Every single episode of those shows has children who are significantly smarter than the adults.
[–]ErasmusMRA 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
As opposed to not having a brain? That's actually quite rare.
[–]MockingDead 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wikipedia for Nightmare Fuel.
[–]ErasmusMRA 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're welcome. Here's another one which is actually semi relevant to men's rights. (Only women do it)
[–]electriophile 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's not uncommon for children to have better vocabularies or math skills than their parents, who have been out of school for a while and haven't needed to use the word "crepuscular" since their last spelling bee.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't know why people wouldn't be using the word "crepuscular" it's a perfectly cromulent word.
Oh, people thinking this is innocent. It's just like when really messed up anti-woman stuff happens and guys are like "I think this is perfectly innocent, this game just happens to be a dude rescuing huge titted women and all the women are fighting over him and they only talk about him and they are all eager to give him their sexuality."
"Oh Genders, you so unable to see each other's problems"
[–]Pokelova 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She has a One Direction poster, so I'm not sure why they're portraying her as intelligent.
[–]bisensual -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This subreddit is getting ri-goddamn-diculous. Can we focus on shit that actually matters?
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