Men have no intrinsic worth

SexyBrownMale · 2025-04-07T08:13:34+00:00

In our current materialistic and consumerist society, of course, the general population and the system will just see you as another number, a cog in the wheel.

Fortunately, if there is a culture, there is a counterculture, look for people who are in the path of deprogramming themselves, and try to intertwine your journey with theirs, then work together to build something meaningful and beautiful so that others may find their way towards you, break the cycle of alienation and begin a cycle of healing.

NoSpinach4025 · 2025-04-07T11:28:13+00:00

If reproduction is your only measure for "intrinsic value", keep in mind that: no semen = no babies.

SubstantialMajor2798 · 2025-04-07T17:54:55+00:00

Kind of agree

early age - men and women met for mating Early age civilisation- women had children men would hunt, gather food

Until 20th century- men were provider and protector of the family and women were responsible for child birth and their well being, development, nurturing etc

Today - with everyone doing everything men are merely a sperm for those declining majority of women who want to have kids

Demonspawn · 2025-04-07T18:15:01+00:00

For society to advance there are two conditions which much be true:

Some segment of society must produce more than they consume so there is surplus to advance society.
The segment of society not engaged in #1 must be promoting/rewarding #1 such that there is a desire for those in that segment to continue doing so.

Throughout all history, men are #1 and women are #2. The biggest reason behind that is women are vulnerable during pregnancy while men are not, so women have to be carried.

If men quit their role, society would die overnight. Everyone knows this. It is obvious.

If women quit their role, society still dies but it take a while. Men will no longer fulfil their role while they are being punished for doing so and men will start dropping out of that role. Because it takes a while, people don't understand how important the female gender role is towards a successful society.

Dapper_Apartment2175 · 2025-04-07T12:22:29+00:00

Good. The knowledge that outside of your friends, family, and a few benevolent strangers, no one gives a fuck about you is actually quite liberating. You learn to expect nothing, and you realise that you don't owe anyone anything.

grimpaaj · 2025-04-07T08:46:25+00:00

Are you kidding dude? We have all the intrinsic worth. Whether it's acknowledged societally or not. Who makes everything?

Our worth is we will inevitably grow up and be able to innovate technologies and keep everything running smoothly to provide and progress civilization. Its not our fault people take that significant worth for granted

Fantastic_Ebb_3397 · 2025-04-07T23:05:59+00:00

We all have value from a humanist perspective, however I think the instinct of survival is the one that trumps them all. Hence why people put anything related to procreation first. In that sense, from intersexual dynamic, yes we have no intrinsic value.

chobolicious88 · 2025-04-07T15:54:47+00:00

Totally. Its just evolution.

To have worth, you need someone or something to have worth to. So in society, mens worth is what they provide (protection, provisioning, safety/infrastructure), and womans worth is inherent (feelings/nurturing/vagina). Basically mom dad roles.

And dont let yourself be gaslit.

PIF_Daddy · 2025-04-07T22:49:44+00:00

"'-It is through our minds that we make the world" -The Dhummapda.

Such_Activity6468 · 2025-04-07T08:34:54+00:00

Human society at a deep level is nothing more than a complex pig farm.

The main root of inequality is the sexual division itself, which condemns half of the population from birth to a life of expendable instrument, and the other half to the role of an object of population reproduction.

This is the most important social division and source of inequality, which is biological in nature. All our ideas about traditional gender roles actually follow directly from biology.

The entire traditional culture is essentially a spectacle, where expendability is presented as a virtue in order to ensure the loyalty of the victim. For example, male expendability is presented as something honorable in itself, and the readiness for it is proposed to be considered the only foundation of one's self-esteem.

This explains the whole "natural morality": a woman is not "valuable" because she is soft, but because she is the bearer of future genetic material. A man is not "masculine" because he is replaceable and therefore expended.

The entire Christian and post-Christian liberal culture, which asserts the inherent value of every human life, is fundamentally false. This is a beautiful but empty declaration.

Such_Activity6468 · 2025-04-07T08:46:53+00:00

Human society at a deep level is nothing more than a complex pig farm.

The main root of inequality is the gender division itself, which condemns half of the population from birth to the life of an expendable tool, and the other half to the role of an object of population reproduction.

This is the most important social division and source of inequality, which has a biological nature. All our ideas about traditional gender roles actually follow directly from biology.

Social roles of men and women were formed not so much on the basis of values, but on the basis of biological and demographic rationality.

Men are biologically redundant. There are many of them, and each one is not needed individually - the main thing is that a couple or three remain for fertilization.

Women are a limited and key resource - the uterus as a biological asset. Therefore, they were not thrown into battle en masse, they were not burned in thousands, they were not squandered unnecessarily.

The entire traditional culture is essentially a spectacle, where expendability is presented as a virtue in order to ensure the loyalty of the victim. For example, male expendability is presented as something honorable in itself, and the readiness for it is proposed to be considered the only basis for self-respect.

The entire Christian and post-Christian liberal culture that asserts the inalienable value of every human life is fundamentally false. It is a beautiful but empty declaration. Simply symbolic constructions allow us to replace reality with hyperreality.

MRAFacts · 2025-04-07T09:02:37+00:00

One saying that I've remembered is that a woman is born with value and a man acquires his by the virtue of his status and doings.

I personally believe most of this is biologically driven and I don't think we can do much about it. Most of us are by default misandrist because we associate men with violent murderers, rapists, pedophiles etc. (Even if these make up only around 1% of men).

We inherently see men as dangerous and threats. After we exit boyhood, we are no longer seen as "cute" and neotenous and I believe that also plays a huge role. The only unconditonal love, warmth, and affection we got was from our family and we eventually move away from them leading to us never finding this feeling until we get into a relationship.

I don't this can ever be resolved, since almost everyone will remain misandrist, but as like minded MRAs, we can come together to support each other.

As a man I've also learned to stop bothering about what others say. The way you are treated as a man, I believe, makes you focus more on your indivdualness. Your family is the only permanent source of affection you've. Apart from this I just focus on my health and work since those are all that will stay with me.

addings0 · 2025-04-07T16:03:24+00:00

Men are known for material creations, so we should expect a material expectation. A spiritual power, is about the spirit. It may be of higher value, but it doesn't have much affect on the material ( higher power, and lower power are separate things ) .

Weekly-Ad-8530 · 2025-04-07T19:22:20+00:00

I recommend looking into some philosophy to get your own understanding of what you believe makes you "worthy". Believing in god might be a good starting point.
To me personally it is also hard to believe I am worthy, regardless of what I achieve - to me personally it helps to look at people and animals I truly love - I might sometimes hate them, but I love them so much that I still am endlessly happy they are alive. I just hope they feel the same about me.

Clan-Destin · 2025-04-07T13:30:31+00:00

If I understood the subject correctly

For me, helping others to reveal themselves, building homes or services, being a reliable person for those around me and being able to defend my moral values without losing my social or civic values is already enough

Now if you speak as an individual and not about gender, if you speak from an inclusive point of view having something for which you are naturally gifted enough to take pride in it is for me already a matter of awareness, of oneself, of others, of the world because someone who does not know how to see the value and the nuances will not know how to appreciate the differences, without self-esteem he will make himself dependent on the acceptance of others

Am I wrong?

Bestbeast127 · 2025-04-08T05:19:27+00:00

Not with that attitude

MysteriousCoast9343 · 2025-04-07T21:11:49+00:00

No one has intrinsic value.

Title	Men have no intrinsic worth
Author	shivaswara
Upvotes	128
Comments	27
Date	April 7, 2025 7:21 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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