MRA/MRM vs MHRA/MHRM

9iLsgs1TYI · 2013-02-21T06:19:03+00:00

JohnTheOther recently posted a video to YouTube where he stated that he will be using the term MHRM (Men's Human Rights Movement) in place of MRM. His reasoning being that “it is more descriptive and accurate terminology".

While I agree that the term is more accurate, I find the rename to be unnecessary for several reasons:

The explicit addition of the word 'human' reinforces the idea that 'men' does not mean human. One should not have to say 'human man' nor 'human woman'; the word 'human' should be implied in those contexts.
The creation of a new term can potentially divide and confuse. “Are you a MRA or a MHRA?”. Does one search the term MRM or MRHM for our Wikipedia article? If both terms are active at the same time, is it not possible for their meanings to drift?
Those who would judge a movement entirely by its name do not deserve any attention. It is possible that our name change will be viewed as an admission to wrongfulness - something our opponents will gleefully exploit - and hurt us more than it helps.
A single consistent term should be used for as long as MRM and MHRM refer to the same movement.

JohnTheOther did add that members of the MRM should feel free to use whichever term they please. I will stick with MRM as long as its majority strive to better man or my above points are shown to be lacking. If the name change is accepted, I look forward to the eventual humour in a \/r/AgainstMensHumanRights subreddit.

edit: Removed extra word.

BuncyTheFrog · 2013-02-21T05:12:35+00:00

I'm ambivalent. It may be confusing, and I think that if you're going to say MHRM, you need to explicitly say "Men's Human Rights Movement." MRA/MRM is an established brand, so to speak.

I am also very confused as to how gay rights got thrown into the discussion as a result of this renaming.

Thievishmetal69 · 2013-02-21T05:07:36+00:00

What's MHRA, I missed this.

Though I have the unfortunate feeling its a MR GMP type of thing.

SirSkeptic · 2013-02-21T05:33:48+00:00

I think the H makes fence sitters less likely to dismiss the movement out of hand. And harder for feminists to conduct smear campaigns.

Coinin · 2013-02-21T07:45:53+00:00

Good god do I hate alphabet soup.

ignatiusloyola · 2013-02-21T06:44:44+00:00

I saw you use that term on the Farrell AMA. I am not sure about it yet, but I do like the spin.

Coinin · 2013-02-21T07:04:34+00:00

Many people keep trying to label the argument against doing this as owned by Traditionalists.

This is not true, I am not a Traditionalist or a Libertarian or a Republican or any other term people decide to use as their version of a slur including a Leftist or a Democrat.

However I do not like adding the H for a very simple reason. It serves no real purpose and divides a movement for no apparent reason. Conservatives can be MRA's, Liberals can be MRA's, Egalitarians can be MRA's.

This isn't an Ideology, the only thing you need to be a MRA is to be working towards the equal rights of men and women. There are many ways to be equal, you can restrict those who have more privilege or you can give more freedom to those restricted but either will lead to equality.

CosmicKeys · 2013-02-21T08:15:46+00:00

Scroll down to Demonspawn. If the h catches on (which I doubt it will) I would start using the term to avoid opinions such as theirs, otherwise I'll stick to egalitarian.

Riesea · 2013-02-21T12:41:13+00:00

That's a waste of time.

Coinin · 2013-02-21T18:18:28+00:00

The AVFM crowd have lost a lot of credibility over this MHRM debate.

In this video AVFM senior editor TheWoolybumblebe goes on a childish rant telling people to "get the fuck out" of the MRM movement if they don't agree with what she says.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLSe48CXDnI

And JohnTheOther seems to be backing her up.

I don't really give a shit about AVFM anymore, they can call themselves what ever they want and do whatever they want, regardless of what they think they don't lead the MRM movement, and can't tell people to "get the fuck out" of the movement.

2013-02-22T15:15:41+00:00

It's pretty telling that we have to remind feminists that men are human beings.

jimmybrite · 2013-02-21T06:44:01+00:00

MRA/MRM all the way, I'm not going to cater to anyone.

Coinin · 2013-02-24T22:31:47+00:00

Meh, both terms describe what we're about. I'd be happy with either.

rightsbot · 2013-02-21T05:06:17+00:00

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Demonspawn · 2013-02-21T06:01:15+00:00

If you want to be an mHra, then /r/egalitarian is over in that direction... You are of no use here and are actively harming the MRA movement by your continued subversion of the MRM with reality-rejection egalitarianism.

Men and women are not equal. Anyone with two functioning brain cells should be able to tell this. It should be beyond obvious that attempting to treat unequal parts of a system as equal is a guaranteed non-working system.

If you are so stupid, willfully ignorant, or cognitively dissonant that you think men and women are equal, get the fuck out. There is no use for people like that here. I don't give a shit what you claim otherwise, you ARE advocating for a system of female supremacy that harms men and the overall society.

I'm done being polite about this. I'm fucking ashamed that the MRM has moved away from a consequentialist, reality-based movement into simply another arm of the feminist movement. If you want to deny reality and base a movement on it.. feel free. But go get your own movement instead of taking over mine with that bullshit.

0 + 0 + 1 != 0 Until you can come up with a comprehensive plan to do what has never been done in the history of the world: to convince society to treat men and women as equally disposable, you are denying reality, you are advocating for a system of female supremacy, and you are guaranteeing the society to failure.

Title	MRA/MRM vs MHRA/MHRM
Author	MrStonedOne
Upvotes	1
Comments	92
Date	February 21, 2013 5:05 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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