Munk Debates: Be It Resolved, Men Are Obsolete. (Note, no men are in the debate...)

4man · 2013-09-17T21:17:03+00:00

Bigots projecting their own sense of worthlessness upon men.

poloppoyop · 2013-09-17T21:45:25+00:00

A load of men discussing the "obsolescence" of women = the purest distillation of misogyny one can imagine.

A load of women discussing the "obsolescence" of men = the purest distillation of feminism one can imagine.

ILoveHate · 2013-09-18T00:17:57+00:00

Since the beginning of human civilization, men have been the dominant sex.

No one stopped women from pulling their own weight. In fact, in most societies it was expected. Only the very wealthy could afford to keep women locked up, mainly due to not having paternity testing. Women worked the fields along side of men and even fought along side in Gaul versus the Rome for example.

But now, for the first time, a host of indicators suggest that women are not only achieving equality with men but are fast emerging as the more successful sex of the species. Whether in education, employment, personal health or child rearing, statistics point to a rise in the status and power of women at home, in the workplace, and in traditional male bastions such as politics.

Thanks to quotas and affirmative action. Still not very many women who are innovators or who win nobel prizes, etc. Oh and it's convenient how these rich women only look at other rich women. Yes, rich women get to run companies, play politics and do all the other stuff men have done. But what about the growing number of single moms? What about the fact that single mothers and poverty seem to go hand in hand?

Men are and have been at both extremes of civilization as both the poorest and richest/most powerful. Now we're slowly starting to see the same with women, where a few are at the top and the rest are at the bottom. Being a stay at home housewife was the norm 50+ years ago. Now it's a luxury few can afford.

But are men, and the age-old power structures associated with “maleness,” permanently in decline? Or do men still retain significant control over the workplace, the family and society at large, including women?

Until we have hours worked quotas, men will still dominate the workplace. If there's two qualified people who worked for two years at a company, but the guy worked 60+ hours a week and the woman was out by the time she hit 40, who are you going to pick for promotion? And we're not even talking about extra time off, or extended breaks, etc.

In sum, where are the sexes headed in the 21st century?

Poverty. We're going towards where we were a century ago, where people had to fight against corporations, protest, risk their safety and well being only to get a decent livable wage. That's where we're headed. Except today we have a global market. So when millions of people in America go on strike to form unions and improve their lives by receiving a decent livable wage, companies can just outsource to other countries or import workers. Interesting times and all that jazz.

HalfysReddit · 2013-09-17T22:27:17+00:00

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5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2013-09-18T15:09:15+00:00

“So now that women don’t need men to reproduce and refinance, the question is, will we keep you around? And the answer is, ‘You know we need you in the way we need ice cream — you’ll be more ornamental.’ ”

A bunch of misandrist feminists (but I repeat myself) cackling with glee at the thought of making men in to pets.

This is how feminism helps men.

themembers92 · 2013-09-18T05:51:10+00:00

Camille Paglia is eccentric but is more of a "pro-sex egalitarian" than anything.

dalsgaard · 2013-09-17T21:55:17+00:00

There may be no men in the debate, but with Camille Paglia in the mix you don't really need one.

Watching her unfold herself is usually as awesome as it is entertaining. She kicks ass.

2013-09-18T00:54:30+00:00

Well, that's settled. I guess we can all go away and let the women satisfy themselves with toys and other women.

ThePigmanAgain · 2013-09-18T01:22:44+00:00

"November 15, 2013"

Holy shit, i've been asleep for two whole months!

EDIT: Whoops, turns out that's the date of the debate, not the dateline. Damn, i thought i was being clever...

seenloitering · 2013-09-18T12:15:51+00:00

Some context.

The Munk Debate happens once a year and they try to pick a topic they think is of particular political importance that year. This year, it is the state of men. I think that's a good thing, and probably has a lot to do with Janice Stein who is the Director at the Munk School of Global Affairs, Toronto's largest political science institution, and the primary institution behind organizing these debates.

I saw Janice speak last year and when asked about the status of women in an upcoming election by an audience member, she said, "you're going to hate me for this, but I think it's the boys we need to worry about most. Women are doing just fine." Deluded student union protesters aside, when the biggest voice in political science in Toronto (in Canada, really) says that women's interests are less a concern than men's, it's a sea change. She probably also had influence over who would be invited. Why would she want a panel of all women? Because she wants the pro side to lose, and nothing will say they lost like an all-female panel failing to push men's issues under the table.

Steampunk_Moustache · 2013-09-18T18:39:24+00:00

Talk like this about women and feminists would rightly call it hate speech.

CACKENBOOLS · 2013-09-17T20:47:03+00:00

So this is kind of a circlejerk isn't it ?

euneaux · 2013-09-17T23:29:50+00:00

Professor Paglia really crackles.

They even give her space in the Wall Street Journal editorial page sometimes.

I remember trying to get one of her books at an academic bookstore. The woman who worked there almost spit, "She's no real feminist so it's not in womens' studies..."

Clearly on the book the category was listed, "Womens' Studies"

Goes to show, Not all Women (Feminists) are Like That...

Even Ms Rosin I give credit. It's no surprise that the media establishment will only take seriously their own. We should be fair-minded enough to recognize that it might have been necessary to have an establishment member of the media elite to present a message so in contradiction to accepted progressive orthodoxy. Most feminists will not concede one iota that any men are falling behind. Instead the go on about how all men benefit from the patriarchy and male privilege. Ms. Rosin on the other hand has shown some intellectual honesty by contradicting that feminist orthodoxy when she shows clear evidence of men falling behind. She doesn't praise or celebrate "The End of Men" as much as she describes it or even mourns it.

We cranks here in flyover country can howl as much as we want, but preaching to the choir of our sympathetically predisposed fellows will change little and raise little awareness outside of our little manosphere ghetto. We should be grateful for ladies like Ms. Rosin for making this part of the public consciousness. In a culture obsessed with identity politics, it's sad but necessary for a message to be packaged with an attractive and friendly messenger. So we should be honest enough to know that a nice familiar educated liberal establishment Jewish lady from the eastern media elite was probably the only chance to give the issue the credibility and impact it deserves.

LoveForChrist · 2013-09-18T03:35:04+00:00

Doesn't matter to me as long as the two pro-men debaters have good arguments.

stobix · 2013-09-19T03:47:46+00:00

I like the difference in the introduction of the debaters. PRO: Crazy derogatory misandrist nonsense CON: Intelligent, insightful statements

I especially like the “One of the first rules of any useful kind of feminism is to politely but firmly say "Not today, dear," to any woman quacking on about how men are the enemy.”

PoliticalCry · 2013-11-08T20:30:41+00:00

This is beyond disgusting.

euneaux · 2013-09-17T23:30:31+00:00

Anybody else planning on going?

We could buy a block of tickets and who knows what might happen...

GOPisRetarded · 2013-09-18T04:56:10+00:00

let them have their fun, once we have artificial uteruses then they will become like obsolete.

BalllsackTBaghard · 2013-09-18T06:54:43+00:00

The end is truly nigh.

Title	Munk Debates: Be It Resolved, Men Are Obsolete. (Note, no men are in the debate...)
Author	ElliotAlias
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Date	September 17, 2013 8:25 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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