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weatherinfo · 2024-07-19T14:50:15+00:00

I’m tired of all of these phrases that are just accepted. “Ladies first” “Always hold the door open for women” “Never hit a woman”.

Let’s change them. Whoever gets there first goes first. Hold the door open for others because you’re a nice human being. Never hit people.

That third one is actually very dangerous because it makes girls think it’s okay to hit males.

CauliflowerActual178 · 2024-07-19T15:50:44+00:00

I expect women to stop seeing man as an enemy and understand that we too are unhappy and oppressed by gender roles, stereotypes, obligations and discriminations based on gender.

I expect women to understand that it is not a war against man, we need cooperation, and it must pass through the acceptance of the fact that we too want more rights and freedom and equality, and it doesn't necessarily means them to get less of what they are fighting for.

I expect women not to discriminate or hate me just because I am a man.

I expect women to understand that we need to talk about it and it is not an ostility against feminism or women, is something about us, our wellbeing, our rights, our freedom

weatherinfo · 2024-07-19T14:47:51+00:00

I would like the double standards to end. So many things that women can do but men can’t…and then men have to do that women don’t.

Woman hits man: funny. Man hits woman: JAIL!

However…

Man doesn’t serve in military: Useless human! Woman doesn’t serve in military: Fair.

They have all of these privileges yet all of the responsibilities are placed on men. They really have two privileges: Actual privilege and the privilege of having zero responsibility.

PelicanFrostyNips · 2024-07-19T14:35:55+00:00

Some people say “we have a duty to future generations” and others say “this is my life for me to live how I see fit.”

Regardless of what you believe, trying to tell someone that there are “expectations” of them is going to face backlash.

The elite owning class has us in shackles. Women are breaking free from theirs, and men are slow to organize to break out of their own. And the top want us all to blame each other for the shackles so we cannot work together against them.

Mens Rights is about helping men break free, not about trying to keep women shackled. That’s a great way to be vilified and lose any future support we could gain.

I’m guessing by “biological expectations” you mean childbirth right? That’s a hotly debated topic. We need to help each other and part of that is the fundamental understanding that no adult human being owes another adult human being a single thing. Women do not owe men kids. Just like men do not owe women marriage or financial security or protection.

To believe otherwise is to uphold the archaic structure of “men need to slave away in factories and die in wars while women need to slave away at home and raise kids” which only seems to further enrich a psychopathic few.

There are of course bad faith actors on both sides that want to keep the other in their shackles but we are not each other’s enemies. We need to help ourselves and encourage each other, as long as we don’t set ourselves on fire to keep each other warm.

Smeg-life · 2024-07-19T14:42:32+00:00

As a collective, what roles, rights, expectations do men have towards women?

Only those prescribed by law and would like to be able to expect them to adhere to the law. Simple as that.

You mention religion and culture but both of those are moving targets. Cultures change, religions schism and there are always new ones available.

Now if you're one of my female relatives or friends then I'll do as much as I can to assist and support you. But that's an individual choice that I made to them, it's not a collective choice.

King_Offa · 2024-07-19T19:59:55+00:00

Thanks OP for the good faith post

Lazy-Spray3426 · 2024-07-19T14:17:02+00:00

Where do I start...? Egalitarian philosophy is the answer. Equal before the law, etc.

corporate_robot_dude · 2024-07-19T15:46:09+00:00

Wording it as "expectations" probably isn't the best way to describe it. It's clear that the social contract between man and women is broken, due to various factors present in modern society (such as economics).

I'm not entirely sure there is a clear cut way to fix things. You can tell people what's logical and what's good for them, but they won't follow it if they don't feel like it. Example: it's clear that dating apps and social media is ruining everything but there's not a chance those systems would get regulated or banned.

I think all that one can do is educate themselves, pay attention to red flags, and just let the system play out.

LunarRiviera21 · 2024-07-19T17:31:26+00:00

My expectation for woman is extremely low... however i still do like females but not their emotional violence...

I used to naively believe that women are harmless creature...

I have been bullied and almost gangraped due to myself being "not brave enough to flirt" and "smart enough to get A grades" for years during highschool...

The events that i've been through just enough for me to avoid woman...i dont know if i want to get married and have children tbh...i have sad history about woman :(

Sorry if this doesn't answer your question

MysteryMan999 · 2024-07-19T18:05:22+00:00

For a society level

I think we need to celebrate and acknowledge the difference between men and women. Men and women are different and that's fine. We also need to maybe not say certain behaviors are masculine or feminine because every person needs to display the full range of human emotions when appropriate even anger has its appropriate time to be used.

Laws should be made that don't favor one gender over the other and be equally applied fairly. I think overall prison sentences should be less for a lot of things except like gross sexual misconduct or murder but the way they are applied is lopsided. Like ain't no way women who sexually abuse kids should be getting like suspended prison sentences and probation. Put them in jail they are predators!

We also got too many women trying to hard to be men instead of just doing what natural to them. And guys being shamed for acting manly. Sure we can take a page from each other and learn but there's no such thing as toxic masculinity or femininity just bad behaviors.

On a personal level like in romantic relationship I admit I do approach this from a religion background Christian and I believe the man should take the lead in the relationship but before you dismiss me let me cook. Taking the lead in the relationship and being the head of household does not mean ruling with an iron fist or being domineering. The wife should submit to husbands lead but a husband that's leading correctly will do his very best to make his wife comfortable in her role. Like a pilot and co-pilot. He should treat his wife with respect and honor her as a partner and never treat her in a way he wouldn't like to be treated. Don't hit her, don't verbally abuse her, and he should show her affection and rightly treat her as the gift she is to him. Ideally if they have mismatched sex drives they should find a middle ground on which both are satisfied. It's okay to say no but each should look do what best for each other. If she wants intimacy the man should give his wife that that so he does his duty as head care for her physical and emotional needs. If he needs support she should support him not tear him down. Showing each other love. That's how I go about life. Just be nice to people. Too many people get into relationships looking for what they can get and not what they have to offer and give.

Vaudeville_Clown · 2024-07-19T17:46:14+00:00

No, I think roles and expectations is a thing of the past, at least according to gender.

Culture is not really something we can decide on but it lies downwind from legislation often, and it's application. If it unduely favors one gender, hands out grants and other freebies selectively, if it's lenient on one but extra judgemental on the other, it will not foster any culture of equality. Solve that, and many things fall into place.

But back to roles and expectations. A lot of people are lost without them it seems. They want to sink in to a collective feeling of being/doing right.

For that, I think we should really focus less on gender and more on adulthood. People seem to forget that man and woman are adult titles after all.

The real polarity is between adults and immature/adolescent imo.

Pretend-Storm4566 · 2024-07-20T03:03:53+00:00

How is this NSFW?

walterwallcarpet · 2024-07-19T14:24:16+00:00

Note that you haven't asked what roles, rights and expectations do women have towards men. It ain't a one-way street.

tempro26 · 2024-07-19T15:31:11+00:00

This is a tough but much needed discussion. These views are controversial today but were normal prior to this mess.

There is no question that mother nature has given a clear advantage to men in many attributes (strength, math / reasoning, emotional regulation, testosterone (and all benefits stemming from testosterone) > risk tasking ability, muscle recovery, resource procurement, stamina). (Disclaimer: It has given advantages to women in other attributes as well).
Men, with these additional 'powers' are naturally able to better serve certain responsibilities. Everything from Security of the Country, to the Infrastructure and Maintenance of the Country, to the Law and Order of the country, to resource procurement, ideas/inventions, business development etc.
"With great Power comes great Responsibility"; Men as a result of these greater powers ought to shoulder more of the responsibility (and already do, weather in a family or in society).
With this added Responsibility ought to come more rights via input of Equity (vs Equality).
i.e. The CEO has the weight of the company, the livelihood of the employees, and the financial security of the shareholders. He has more Responsibility but more Equity in the company. He gets the corner office, the private jet, the 8 figure paycheck. The intern, does not have those responsibilities. And therefore is not entitled. The CEO and the Intern are not 'Equal' but have an 'Equitable' amount of reward.
Why our System Today is Broken:
Society has broken the work/reward ratio so Women have all the rights as Men (and then some), without any of the Responsibility.
We have fought to achieve Equality without giving Women the additional responsibility in society.
As a result the work/reward ratio is broken, and this impacts humans at a very psychological level.
If the Intern now also gets the corner office, the private jet, the 8 figure salary, without any of the additional stress and responsibility, this will naturally demotivate the CEO.
As a result, you will have a CEO that wants to become an Intern as well, or a CEO that will just quit all together, or a CEO that 'checks out'
This is bad for the country, this is bad for society.
How to Fix:
We need to rid the idea of Equality and go back to the idea of Equity.
Ackowledge that Men are responsible for the backbone, the infrastructure, the protection, and health of the country and society.
Reward the men for this effort
Allow Women to opportunity to compete for the same roles based on a meritocracy.
If the Man / Woman can run a company, run the mile, fight the war, lead the military grant and reward that person.
But the societal programs that benefit Women with 'subsidies', and artifically inflate a genders abilites via DEI quotas, Women in Tech only roles, promotions based on gender, Loans for Businesses for Women, etc only fuel the fire.

Title	Question?
Author	kk97404
Upvotes	9
Comments	64
Date	July 19, 2024 1:50 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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