Toxic Masculinity Fallacy

maxlvb · 2022-03-25T22:26:36+00:00

Toxic masculinity was originally created by the mythopoetic men's movement, with a completely different definition. The mythopoets believed that society was forcing boys to be feminine, instead of letting them be themselves.

Feminists twisted the definition by demanding men be more feminine, and deciding that they know what's best for men. The feminist definition of toxic masculinity is a backlash against the growing number of men speaking up.

Toxic Masculinity: Hate speech about men.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2022-03-26T00:50:07+00:00

As one of the MRA's who is happy to talk about (genuine) Toxic Masculinity (so long as we also get to talk about Toxic Femininity too), I think it is very important to keep in mind that huge swathes of women (and often feminists) are some of the greatest enforcers of (genuine) Toxic Masculinity.

For one, they emasculate and humiliate us when we talk about our feelings. This makes us reticent to discuss our grievances.

They also demand we "man up" to save the womenfolk. You know exactly what this results in, historically speaking.

They encourage us to compete with each other, cut each other down and sabotage each other in order to impress women. This undermines male solidarity.

The reason this happens is simple: their idea of "Toxic Masculinity" is "anything a man does that isn't in my interests." But the real definition of "Toxic Masculinity" is when social norms demand men act against their own interests or the interests of others more broadly.

So yes, there is Toxic Masculinity, but women are just as responsible for it as men are (arguably moreso in certain contexts), and feminists are utterly incapable of genuinely solving the problem since a lot of their activism literally reinforces Toxic Masculinity.

Not to mention, plenty of women have internalized the idea that men exist to protect and provide for women. And that attitude of feminine entitlement is undoubtedly an example of Toxic Femininity.

raclnp · 2022-03-26T09:40:30+00:00

Yeah I always objected that term and I wish people wouldn't use it at least in forums like this. "toxic attitude towards masculinity" is exactly right, because it comes from how people view how masculine men should be.

DeadSkullMonkey · 2022-03-26T10:47:17+00:00

I don't share them, because nobody cares. Simple as that.

Far_Veterinarian_857 · 2022-03-26T05:07:13+00:00

It's not that men can't talk or express their feelings. It's that they don't do it like women do.

fixingmedaybyday · 2022-03-26T03:41:11+00:00

I was taught by my ex that taking pride in anything I excelled at or being physically strong or disagreeing with her was all a result of toxic masculinity. In other words, anytime I thought different or she couldn’t measure up was an excuse to attack my so called toxicity. And you know what, it worked. I now hate myself for all the things that make me feel good because it feels as if that all caused her to cheat on me and leave me. I know it’s a bs excuse but damn what a head job it’s done to me.

Samurai-Andy · 2022-03-26T14:17:22+00:00

"43% of boys are raised by single mothers

78% of teachers are female

So almost 50% of boys have 100%feminine influence while at home & an 8/10ish chance of 100% influence at school.

Toxic masculinity isn't the problem. Lack of masculinity is." - A Woman.

Puzzleheaded-Heat174 · 2022-03-26T03:50:44+00:00

I love how feminists say they don't hate men but then proceed to name everything that's wrong in the world (EG patriarchy) and then name everything right in the world after women

Neppy_sama · 2022-03-26T02:53:48+00:00

Masculinity is discipline and determination. Idk where's toxic here.

goodfoobar · 2022-03-26T17:00:48+00:00

Men constantly express there emotions, it is basic human nature to do so. It is just that female forms of processing emotions are more visible than male forms. While women tend towards talking or crying men tend toward doing something which is often viewed as avoidance when in reality it is directly dealing with emotions.

ManofGod1000 · 2022-03-26T13:09:19+00:00

Women do not want men who share their feelings with them. At that point, they completely loss respect for those men. However, men should be helping other men.

Diylion · 2022-03-26T04:04:10+00:00

the reason men don't express their feelings is largely because of how their brains work.

Because men showed greater down-regulation of amygdala activity(the part of the brain that regulates emotion) and less prefrontal activity(the part of the brain that regulates impulse) during emotional regulation.

Basically women have to use a more directed and deliberate process to hide emotions, whereas men can do it more automatically. Not saying that one necessarily feels emotions more than the other. But simply that men are more able to regulate it. All humans experience a strong emotions which is necessary for our survival.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5937254/#:~:text=Because%20men%20showed%20greater%20down,with%20greater%20efficiency%20than%20women.

Women have adapted to be less able to conceal emotions. Which shouldn't be surprising because of their roles in early human history where women needed men to protect them while pregnant, and therefore had to appeal to their sympathy by exhibiting emotion. And men adapted the opposite way where they needed to appear tough to win a female's confidence at being able to do that exact job.

This is my research based understanding of it. I'm a woman, and I fully support men talking about their emotions.

Potential-Tax3056 · 2022-03-27T05:23:03+00:00

Fuck feminism

Title	Toxic Masculinity Fallacy
Author	nyarlathotep999
Upvotes	150
Comments	42
Date	March 25, 2022 8:01 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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