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University lets rape accuser bring experienced lawyer, won't let accused bring one

DGAgainstDV

June 3, 2016
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Title University lets rape accuser bring experienced lawyer, won't let accused bring one
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DGAgainstDV

Upvotes 244
Comments 39
Date June 3, 2016 1:12 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4mah3w/university_lets_rape_accuser_bring_experienced/
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[–]ABC_Florida 31 points32 points33 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Though she filed the rape claim against Doe with Lynn’s Campus Security office the day after their liaison, in a video-recorded interview with female detectives at the police station, the accuser never claimed he had raped her, according to Doe. The police report says she told them her friends and parents wanted her to accuse Doe.

Honor killing by accusing the man of rape.

The university didn’t bother calling the detectives who investigated the claims, and their report was not given “any consideration” in the campus hearing, the suit says.

Part of the police investigation involved reviewing security camera footage to gauge the accuser’s level of intoxication and her ability to consent.

It showed her walking, acting normally and “smiling” before and after her encounter with Doe; at one point, she’s seen standing on one foot while kicking the elevator door button with the other foot, the suit says. She was also seen dancing on the soccer field with one of her friends.

Due process by the University.

It is still good to know that members of the protected group are protected.

[–]all-round-good-egg 23 points24 points25 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I love this comment from the linked article...

Universities should be more honest with young men from the start. Instead of telling them that women are their peers and equals they should inform these young men that their relationship with female students is more like a babysitter/child relationship when alcohol is involved. Men will be responsible for the actions of the women as well as their own, much like it is when looking after a child who can't make decisions on their own. This might help clear up the confusion.

This is highly accurate.

[–]CornyHoosier 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If they're going to make men sit in those sexual abuse classes, they might as well tell them that because they have testicles they get to be the responsible one.

[–]Izaran 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which is amusing because isn't Feminism all about women being 'equal' (superior) to us?

Equality means equal responsibility, but fuck logic right? What good has that ever done?

[–]civilsaint 39 points40 points41 points 10 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Why does the accuser need representation?

[–]ThirdTurnip 28 points29 points30 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think the bigger question is why are universities investigating rape accusations?

Rape is not an academic matter. It's one of the most serious forms of assault and accusations warrant investigation by police and due process in the courts.

Examples like this only serve to highlight that fact.

[–]civilsaint 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Very good point. Should they start investigating murders next?

[–]DevilishRogue 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

"Next week on CUNYCSI..."

[–]ABC_Florida 24 points25 points26 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. The prosecution represents the plaintiff. Another slap to due process.

[–]jb_trp 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The nice thing is that the accused didn't face a criminal trial (these Title IX proceedings are a bunch of BS kangaroo courts) and due to this guy's rights getting raped, he'll likely get a huge paycheck in a lawsuit. Honestly, suing these universities is the only hope for fixing this problem.

Nobody honestly believes a rape actually happened in most of these college cases... If they did, they'd call the police and have the rapist arrested and thrown into jail.

[–]ABC_Florida 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unless unis will pay more for the falsely accused, than they get for accusing them; the situation won't change.

[–]Machnow 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

exactly, especially since, in these school hearings, the accused can't cross examine.....

it's completely FUBAR

and it's becoming quite clear to just about everybody.....including parents, thank god...finally.

[–]CornyHoosier 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

including parents, thank god...finally.

The parents ... of young men.

You should have seen the mental gymnastics my mother does when it's something that slights men but also negatively affects "her little boy" (me).

The only time I've ever heard my mother use the word 'bitch' was when another student key'd my car in the school parking lot (it looked similar to the car she meant to key) and nothing happened to her.

(I ended up suing her for the damage when she wouldn't pay up. She had her dad call me to settle up the costs out of court. I thought about declining as I wanted her to at least apologize to me directly, but cash was cash and I was a poor college student with a vehicle repair bill)

[–]Izaran 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Take what you can and run like Hell. While apologizes and public humiliation are excellent examples of just desserts, sometimes they're overrated.

[–]IronJohnMRA 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Two reasons:

1) So they can have expert legal advice the accused does not have, thereby giving them an immediate advantage during these proceedings.

2) To give the impression of being an official aggrieved party, thus adding weight and legitimacy to their claims, even if none exists.

[–]civilsaint 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Meaning that women with money can have their grievances heard and take precedence over poorer girls' concerns.

How socially just. I don't hear any calls to check their privilege.

[–]Izaran 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not even money. There's a laundry list of lawyers and litigators who'd take these cases pro-bono cause it looks good on records and ambitions. "Represented x [insert crime] victims for free" looks good on any lawyer's C.V.

[–]25russianbear25 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because were back to "To Kill a Mocking Bird" era except its not whites/blacks but females/males

Its funny how the hive is against representation of the defendant, its almost theyre less of a human?

[–]Izaran 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well yeah. At the heart of it, modern Feminism doesn't view us as human beings.

[–]Regnes 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I wonder, an experienced lawyer would recognize they're participating in a kangaroo court, wouldn't they? Couldn't that constitute misconduct? Believe it or not, Lawyers are held to a legal standard of ethics, and this is anything but ethical.

[–]BlueSignRedLight 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not a real court. I'm not sure those ethics apply in this case.

[–]Regnes 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not entirely true, lawyer code of ethics do transcend the courtroom to a degree. If he's representing a client, he is acting in a professional capacity and wouldn't be exempt from scrutiny. Remember, many specialized lawyers will never set foot in a courthouse, but they still have rules they have to follow in how they conduct their practice.

[–]Mackowatosc 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ethics are where the better money is.

[–]Izaran 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True, but there are enough snakes in the grass. I'm fairly certain there are a good number of lawyers who know the way the winds been blowing (with luck it's changing) and like vultures sink in on these cases to look good on their legal history. I've even heard of Feminists and SJW lawyers doing shit like this as activist lawyers. Lawyers imo should be more impartial than jurors. It's their job, true or false, right or wrong, to present a case for their client. Whether that client is a mass murderer, the state, or a down on his luck guy who got scammed or is owed money. To me, being an aspiring lawyer...that's judicial ethics.

[–]Dazz316 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

He should get it anyway. You can't stop him getting a lawyer.

[–]User-31f64a4e 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

He has one. Not for the kangaroo court, but for his lawsuit against the college linked in s4line's post above.

I hope this is another multi-million dollar judgement against a university!

[–]Lethn 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I want to see every University that does this and screws over their students defunded and bankrupt by the end of the year, enough is enough.

[–]whelponry 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Until punitive damages start affecting the finances of these institutions to the point of deterrence, they will not change.

[–]Izaran 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And that's why the fight will continue. Now I'm just waiting for the opposition to fight to reduce punitive tolerances. Now that it's no longer benefiting just them to have excessive punitive claims, they will. It's just like how the two parties change the rules to benefit them whenever power changes hands.

[–]Banned_For_Opinion 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just fucking jerk off and keep to yourself. These cunts aren't worth it.

[–]Izaran 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've thought about getting back into dating. But being a college age guy, I'm just not wanting to risk the bullshit coming with it. Fuck, they're finding ways to fuck us over with just being friends and companions. It's getting ludicrous.

[–]IronJohnMRA 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Fix is not identifying the accuser in this story, in keeping with mainstream journalistic practice on alleged victims of sexual assault.

The suit says that Boca Raton Police found that Doe and his accuser had consensual sex at a dorm party with alcohol last fall, and called her belated rape claim “unfounded.”

It looks like, "The Fix" is certainly in.

[–]Darth_Sin 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All the men in colleges and universities should GTOW. Women in colleges and universities are a cesspool of troublesome mess.

[–]Meistermalkav 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Here is what needs to happen in cases like this.

  1. File a motion to disbarr the representing attourney if they have been informed of the fact the defendant is not granted representation. Makes a lot of fus and leaves staines on that attourneys jacket. Makes it also fun if the representing attourney has to explain why he or she participated in something knowing the defendant was not even granted adequate protection. Anyways, gives your lawyer the right to be there. After all, your lawyer is only serving her lawyer the papers, not participating meaningfully in a case. And to act as a whitness just in case her lawyer decides to open the mouth, because you know, disbarrment procedures usually require lots of testimony and eyewitnesses and such. After all, if this is nort a legal case, would those University people please explain to a lawyer present why they decide to interfere with the proceedings of what does not concern them?

  2. File a title IV faster then they can say "Hopscotch". Claim in it that the people who signed any peace of paper, or uttered any declaration of "why a lawyer can't be present for the defense, but for the offense...", are in fact discriminating against the accused on the basis of his sexuality, sexual identity, AND his religious worldview that forbids him from entering a legal situation without legal representation.

  3. upgrade the trial. Make a police statement of slander in verbal form and criminal harassment with intent to ruin your accademic career, which was aided by the people listed under 2. This way, you will not have to utter a single word there, as you are not forced to tell a third party details pertaining to an ongoing police investigation without this being a legal situation. The school wants to "force" you? sorry, did you not listen to the part that said "actively aided by"? Up the punitive damages by 5000 dollars for every word they use to threaten you. Not only will your lawyer gleefully listen and count, It will be a good exercise for them. It is suggested to cut the laywer in with at least 30 - 45 % of the damages. Basically, let them fill out their own heck there, provided they cut you in;-) . This way, it will be in front of a real court and a real court will decide if she has been raped, or if she made it all up. Plus, how much University knew about this and aided in warrantless support, like making those "mock trials " .

  4. file an official complaint that holding those mock trials is an official act of title IV noncompliance, designed to pacify the accuser and make the accusation not appear in court.

  5. Offer a settlement to the accuser. If she retracts her claims right now and publishes the retraction in the schools paper, including a handwritten letter of apology to your mother for scaring her like this, you are willing to cut down heavily on punitive damages. Offer persists till the accusations get picked up by media big enough to make it impossible to remove this, then punitive damages will include lost lifetime earnings.

[–]Izaran 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great advice. Not sure on any details, but sounds solid to me.

[–]ElMorono 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fox News is also covering this. When one of the biggest news corporations in the country reports on you, you're gonna get some baaad PR. And we'll deserved. Fuck Lynn University.

[–]TheDude41 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Chivalry is demented sexist shit that needs to be razed from the face of the planet.

[–]Meistermalkav 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

True chivallry deals with fighting other dudes on horseback, and has surprisingly little to do with women.

[–]TheDude41 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True. But that's not what people think it means today!

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