While recently we have been victims, it is important not to adopt a victim mentality

63daddy · 2021-09-20T13:30:51+00:00

We have many laws and practices that discriminate against men that should be addressed, but it doesn’t mean men are oppressed victims. Slaves were oppressed. Adopting a victim mentality holds people back. Look how bitter feminists with this attitude become. Don’t become like them.

Ziogatto · 2021-09-20T11:32:37+00:00

All the traffic lately is just MGTOW getting banned.

My stance and the stance most men tend to adopt is not the victim mentality of "woe be me, society is so unfair, women are mean etc.." but rather tends to be this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hf-B9Tqkss

(Also relevant to current global situation)

CyclopeWarrior · 2021-09-20T17:12:02+00:00

complains about high emotional state comments

Uses the word cringe and cringey to describe his issue, which not only kills any arguments you may have, but are just words that describe emotional reactions from a viewer to things being said.

This post is just another long-winded way of saying man up, be hyper logical, and everything will be fine guys trust me!

I say let them be in whatever emotional state they want to be in, it's just a post in reddit.

coercedaccount2 · 2021-09-20T14:40:22+00:00

Agreed. A victim mindset can be crippling. People loss agency when they see themselves as victims. However, we can still point out the wrongs that are being done without adopting a victim mindset.

ApprehensiveMail8 · 2021-09-20T17:36:59+00:00

"On ur team just checkin"

No, you aren't on "their team".

Because it doesn't work that way. Not every man agreed to join your team. You just happen to be the same gender and posting in the same free speech zone. Men who come to post here should not be expected to buy into anything other than the very basic tenets of human decency we expect from everyone.

Put differently, the men's rights movement should exist to provide men with support when they need it, not to go the other way around and demand men support our ideals.

usku · 2021-09-20T17:26:05+00:00

On one hand. The victim mentality really worked for women and feminism.

On the other hand, we know what we men think of that, and we should want no part in it.

BrianGossling · 2021-09-20T17:19:18+00:00

Strongly agree, here here.

I just saw a post on twoxchromosomes where someone whose emotionally distraught repeated "all men are evil" in their story. Let's not let Mensrights be that unprofessional and be about a bunch of whiners. Like another had said, we are not oppressed.

Alarming_Draw · 2021-09-20T21:23:47+00:00

Yawn. We get posts like these trying to blame mens rights for being too 'x', or not 'y' enough. No policing thanks.

Nothing to see here.

ssebastian364 · 2021-09-20T17:29:40+00:00

Self victimisation is a drug for some people. Focus and Will are our Weapons not attention seeking Via Pity. Be aware that about it. If you got a got mate cherish her.

hottake_toothache · 2021-09-20T17:40:28+00:00

Hide, its the tone police! So there are guys waking up to the unfairness around them, and you don't like the fact that they have feelings about it?

Of course, adopting a victim mentality is bad, and especially counter-productive here because people don't care about men, and don't care whether we are victimized.

Every guy has their own path to get through this, and hopefully they will end up with a focus on self-actualization. But let's not expect them not to feel emotions along the way.

dakotasundaybro · 2021-09-20T14:12:24+00:00

We need to go on the offensive.

pubgmisc · 2021-09-20T16:06:32+00:00

In general, reality is sexist towards both genders. Currently women actually have more rights than men

LettuceBeGrateful · 2021-09-20T17:49:09+00:00

Totally agree!

I think a big part of the problem men face is that because of sexist briefs about male hyperagency, any attempt to talk about men's issues will run up against accusations of victim mentality. I just posted something about a TwoX thread that does exactly this. I agree that learned helplessness and victim mentalities are bad, but all too often men are shamed for merely taking about their problems.

I recently lost a friend over this. I was talking about how male rape victims are underreported due to definitions involving penetration, and she said, "I get the feeling you just want to be oppressed." Like...no? What a toxic dismissive thing to say.

So I agree with the sentiment of your post, but I also hope male victims don't interpret it as condemnation for speaking out. There's a difference between having a victim mentality, and acknowledging being victimized.

BRB22 · 2021-09-20T20:23:54+00:00

There’s no such thing as misogyny.

Body_Horror · 2021-09-20T15:35:40+00:00

Wanted to address something though. Last day or two I’ve been seeing an increasing number of posts and comments that make fair points, but are written from a elevated/emotional state and some have came across cringey.

Who even are you to tell other men how they should act or not? Even more so, who are you to complain about men posting stuff from an emotional state?!

Sorry, your whole post reads like you think about yourself as someone who has all the answers and knows everything better in an objective way than everyone else.

Perhaps it's just me but you sound extremely patronizing. And I'm wondering if you're even male with your:

On ur team just checkin

Astroturfing female confirmed? Seriously... who do you think you are?

Oh, and also, can you point me to a similiar thread like this you made in some radfem subs?

suicidejojo87 · 2021-09-20T17:11:26+00:00

I completely agree. The 2 posts I made recently, I tried my best to not come off as emotional. From your perspective, from my understanding, basically to be logical and calm. Figure out the root of everything and just handle it one by one. Not ignoring our emotions of course but rather let those fuel you rather than show them directly.

I've gone thru so much shit to not let it keep hurting me. It's a challenge but you're absolutely right, better being a survivor.

Ravenant2 · 2021-09-20T17:32:32+00:00

"maybe it’s because of the positive momentum and people here are getting excitable idk. Not like it’s major either but still, noone wants to be part of the cringey clique, let alone fight for their rights." Bruh who said we were cringe? And furthermore, your making it up unless you specifically state where, how, and when these "comments written from an elevated/emotional state" even existed in the first place.

12Yeet34 · 2021-09-20T19:11:11+00:00

In a world supposedly promoting tolerance and working toward societal progression, its easy to forget that words only become offensive because you let them. The simplest way to prevent discrimination is to not let the supposed "slurs" reach that status at all

WeaknessTechnical654 · 2021-09-21T03:42:08+00:00

Yes the victim mindset is what led to the destruction of the feminist and MGTOW movements.

g1455ofwater · 2021-09-22T08:36:56+00:00

This is victim blaming dressed up as advice.

Uinathrow22 · 2021-09-21T05:26:54+00:00

I’m simple terms. Let’s not flip around and do what the feminists did but to women instead… let’s actually fight for equality not control.

ImplodedPotatoSalad · 2021-09-21T07:46:57+00:00

We should adopt mentality that is most profitable at the moment. Nothing less.

MrLizard_King · 2021-09-20T19:04:17+00:00

You can't group all men together and act like all of them aren't oppressed. Some men have the victim mentality because they are victims. They are oppressed. That's unfortunately what goes on today in western societies. You may care about mens rights but not experience actual sexism, but that doesn't mean you should assume all men are the same way

Turbulent_Dark_7719 · 2021-10-20T23:48:07+00:00

Title	While recently we have been victims, it is important not to adopt a victim mentality
Author	Big_Homie_Mozi
Upvotes	579
Comments	69
Date	September 20, 2021 10:32 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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