White Knighting and Misogyny

Greyfeld · 2013-02-25T07:11:56+00:00

Feminists started out by saying that White Knighting is misogyny. I don't believe it myself. I mean sometimes it is maybe. Mostly it's men trying to do "the right thing" as they understand it or were raised to do it. I don't always love it when my husband insists on taking things away and carrying them for me, because it makes me feel like a bit of a baby, but I'd be a complete asshole to think it's misogynistic of him. He's doing it because he loves me. And women ARE weaker in some areas, especially physically, there is nothing misogynist about recognising that.

jwinf843 · 2013-02-25T03:45:31+00:00

I made this so i wouldn't have to explain why white knighting is sexist on forums and imageboards. Feel free to use it. Constructive critiques and criticisms are welcome.

EDIT: spurglords ruin everything

jwinf843 · 2013-02-25T04:32:14+00:00

Idk about this. This reminds me of the whole "all MRA issues are caused by patriarchy" argument. If you habitually treat women better then you treat men you are misandrist not misogynist. However if by white knighting you mean things like being over protective of your daughter (not letting her go out late, etc) compared to your son then yes it si misogynist.

OuiCrudites · 2013-02-25T16:22:03+00:00

I think it goes much deeper than this. White knighting, and feminism in general, hold women back from becoming self-reliant adults.

Super_delicious · 2013-02-25T16:31:34+00:00

Guess I'm the only one here who likes to be treated like a lady and doesn't think it's in anyway sexist.

torrentfox · 2013-02-25T12:42:57+00:00

♪♫ I won't be the man... who will fight... for your honor ♪♫

ExpendableOne · 2013-02-25T16:00:51+00:00

I think white knighting is far more misandric than misogynistic, it's mean seeing themselves, and being taught to see themselves, as something less than women, as servants almost, which need to be at a woman's disposal at any given moment(even if they have to put themselves at risk). It's an unhealthy and narcissistic expectation that is also being taught in girls/women but the intent is to defend and protect women first and foremost(not just the blank assumption that all women can't fend for themselves, as white knights will still white knight for women who they see as capable too).

Women should learn to defend themselves and be independent, just like men have to, and men should learn to hold women to the same standards that are expected of them; and that self-sacrifice isn't something that should just be naturally expected of them(and not others), because of gender. It's also not misogynistic for a man to see a women that is physically weaker as physically weaker(not always the case but it is the general rule), but it's misguided to think that still matters today. There are situations where that chivalry mentality stems from misogynistic and/or outdated views.

Regardless of the reasons though(benevolent intentions, physical differences or just plain sexism), I think a big reason why there is such a disparity between the way men and women think/act, is because women often have that protected status where they don't have to be accountable for their actions because, still to this day, a man could still often end up baring the brunt of those consequences for her(whether it's a father, a friend, a husband and random stranger). That disparity between genders isn't really doing anyone any good and either men learn to stop defending women or women start learning to start defending men(or both) until things are the same for either gender.

DavidByron · 2013-02-25T06:47:54+00:00

White Knighting is sexist because it is a bullying attack aimed at men only. It's not at all sexist against women. White Knights don't attack women.

jynxsteamrumor · 2013-02-25T19:41:41+00:00

"Whatever you do dont be a gentleman"...nice lesson. Whats wrong with gender roles? Have you ever stopped and asked yourself that instead of a simple knee jerk reaction response when its brought up. Men and women are different period. Do men get falsely accused of things. Of course, so do black people and arabs. We need to forget about the constant class and gender warefare and labels like "white knighting" and focus on being better men. In my opinion it means helping someone with the door whethet that person is a male or female. Gender roles serve a purpose naturally, we were created like that. Deal the fuck with it. Im so sick of seeing these little piddly, knit picking things on mensrights. They dont inform the community about (deserved) injustice its just posts about how to be a better woman hating asshole.

koeselitzz · 2013-02-25T20:19:12+00:00

"White knight" is a slur that is consistently used to shut down conversation. If you think someone's arguments are wrong, say why; don't use a shorthand insult just to try to drive people off without being coherent or adding to a discussion.

ThatCynicalCynicism · 2013-02-25T16:44:20+00:00

It would seem that Feminists are calling things in which they demonstrably would have relied upon 150 years ago ''Oppressive'' and ''Sexist'' whilst completely ignoring the fact that without these ''White Knights'', women wouldn't have been able to perform the manual tasks necessary to feed themselves before modernity.

Feminists have a poor grasp of history, and I would wager that they wouldn't swap their lifestyle today for a lifestyle without the technology that men built and developed during the industrial revolution. This was, of course, the same industrial revolution that made the Feminist movement possible in the first place.

(Fact: without modernity, women would still be reliant upon paternalism.)

ItalianRobot · 2013-02-25T22:59:52+00:00

Treating somebody differnet because of their gender is sexist

RealEmaster · 2013-02-25T14:26:04+00:00

White knights want to get laid/ get respect.

C0CKPUNCHER · 2013-02-25T05:29:31+00:00

Deconstructing asshole behavior tends to just cloud the issue (that the person is an asshole).

Geno777 · 2013-02-25T05:26:22+00:00

White knighting is based on the assumption that women are weaker than men. Look at the first two definitions:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=WHITE+KNIGHT

So white knighting is misogyny.

Title	White Knighting and Misogyny
Author	jwinf843
Upvotes	120
Comments	66
Date	February 25, 2013 3:28 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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