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Thug-ka-jeevan

August 20, 2025

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Title	WTF
Author	Thug-ka-jeevan
Upvotes	85
Comments	83
Date	August 20, 2025 1:52 PM UTC (11 months ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1mvfena/wtf/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/wtf.1560029 https://theredarchive.com/post/1560029

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Women have always worked, long before the Suffragettes existed.

For most girls, becoming a blacksmith was probably not a dream. Husband, family, home: those were the pursuits of a young woman of the eighteenth century. Finding a woman or women working at all outside the home, much less in a male-dominated trade, most likely meant the dream wasn't shaping up the way they'd hoped. Some women worked because they had no choice.

Though there was no system of standards governing the trades in the colonies, the method of learning a trade generally followed the apprenticeship guidelines established by the guilds in medieval England and Europe. Women were not excluded from membership in any of the earlier guilds. The Worshipful Company of Blacksmiths in London lists sixty-five "brethren" and two "sistren" in its 1434 charter.

The colonies are full of widows running businesses. A cursory visit to the restored colonial capital will introduce guests to many taverns run by women, and to Clementina Rind, the Virginia Gazette printer who published Thomas Jefferson's Summary View of the Rights of British America in 1774. She took over the business when her husband died. Between the seventeenth and early nineteenth centuries, there are records of at least twenty-one widows running their late husbands' printing businesses. Mrs. Jose Glover set up shop at Harvard, Massachusetts, in 1638 after her husband died on a ship from England. Sarah Goddard ran the Providence Gazette in Rhode Island, learning the business from her brother. Elizabeth Bushell learned from her father, and ran The Halifax Gazette in Canada, from 1752 until 1761. Jane Aitken's father left her his Philadelphia printing business in 1796, favoring her over her brother, who was apparently an "idler tippler and little better than a vagrant, cut off without a sixpence."

Though creative research has produced evidence of women working at male-dominated occupations in the eighteenth century and before, there is undoubtedly more documentation out there, in newspapers, diaries, legal proceedings, and prints. What is more compelling is the lack of documentation that women were not allowed to work. Although religious practices and social norms might have restricted certain activities in some parts of the world, there were no laws prohibiting women from working a trade.

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Don't believe that feminist talking point, women have always worked. What changed in the timeframe of WWII is that they were recruited into laborious jobs they have never even tried to get into. Rosy the Riverter is a memorable phrase because of it. They also started serving in the U.S. military is positions they never had before, like logistic, signal analysis p, code breaker and such. Most didn't apply, but so,e did. Even taking all these new openings together it was a small fraction of women who wanted it.

Most stayed with jobs they've had all through history. Funny enough, they are still mostly in those same jobs today. Jobs like homemaker, nurse, teacher, and such. Where they have congregated that they didn't use to is in HR, public office (but many yes allowed this even as far back as 1890s, which non land owning men only got to do a few decades prior), and enviro management. Now those three are changes directly attributable to the 1920s to 1960s. But it’s not that omen couldn’t work, or opulent be employed in office jobs, light factory jobs, fuming, baking, textile production and more.

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Bank of England Museum

Women were among the earliest investors at the Bank of England in 1694, and this continued throughout the Bank’s history. Women also held private accounts at the Bank. This pass book for Evelyn Wood is a record of the transactions on her Bank of England account between 1906 and 1909.

The Bankers Monthly, October 1920

Women are rapidly becoming accustomed to their new freedom. One of the evidences of the broadening of their interests is particularly noticed in the banking world. The increasing number of accounts opened by women, both in the savings and checking departments, has been a matter of wide comment by bankers all over the United States. It is this movement that makes the woman a factor in bank building and planning, declares H. T. Underwood, president of the Underwood Contracting Corporation of New Orleans, specialists in bank construction and equipment.

The crude "stocking room," often no more than a curtained space in one corner of the bank lobby, has grown into a well-furnished room, sometimes a suite, many times with a maid and a woman with title of assistant cashier assigned to the duties of advising women on banking affairs. Telephones, desks, tasteful stationery and writing materials are provided. Easy chairs and charming draperies form a part of the furnishings. So, instead of hesitating to become conspicuous in a busy bank, the modern woman finds that these facilities dignify her and form an expression of a recognition of her growing importance in banking.

In the modern bank building, Mr. Underwood maintains that consideration of the woman should enter even before plans are drawn. Not only in the space set aside for her particular use, in the special window in the counterscreen at which she may deposit or withdraw her funds or the rest room, but in the entire bank proper, should there be a blending of the feminine atmosphere with what for centuries has been regarded as strictly a masculine institution.

The Bankers Monthly, January 1924

Though the women's banking department was opened only a few months it accumulated $1,000,000 in deposits and over 1600 accounts, but better still than this showing is the educational work it is doing among women. Especially does Miss Stoermer welcome the bride who comes to her for advice as to the intelligent planning and spending of the amount she has on which to run her new home. She is given a house wife's budget guide and suggestions are offered as to how she may best apportion her different expenses. The housewife with years of experience who has never been able to make ends meet comes to Miss Stoermer for instruction and she, too, is given a budget guide and told how to use it.

"It is surprising," remarked Miss Stoermer, "how little some women know about business. But then again many women are just as keen as any man and just as good financiers. A woman came in here the other day with $45,000 in good bonds that she wanted to sell so as to raise some money. I found that if she sold them that it would be at a loss. I asked her why she did not borrow on them and she replied that she did not know that she could. I told her that we would gladly loan her what she needed and she went away pleased and wiser than when she came."

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Keep in mind this is a "suffragette," not a "suffragist."

Suffragists were essentially the MLKJrs of women's rights; they believed in using legal channels, nonviolent protests, and peaceful means in order to advance their cause.

Suffragettes were not any of that.

Suffragettes were active terrorists, using arson, explosives, and other random acts of violence to try to get attention. And when push came to shove with WWI, they quite literally abandoned their cause to instead push the White Feather campaign, a campaign that was literally about publicly shaming men who 'weren't trying hard enough' to get into the armed forces. This literally included disabled veterans who were coming back from the front.

Suffragettes like the one who wrote this were inconsistent hypocritical people who didn't care who was hurt as long as they got what they wanted — regardless if what they wanted suddenly contradicted what they wanted five minutes ago.

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*Some women didn't like their position at the time. To pretend it was a majority is ignorant at best and openly dishonest at worst. Most women actually opposed these movements at the time and the data is clear about that.

Men are obligated to pay for everything, even after they divorce, even without kids. Even within a marriage if a man tries to set a budget and control the one thing he still has control over... women immediately coined the hilarious term of "financial abuse". It's hilarious, it's abuse when a man doesn't give as much money as the woman wants, but not abusive to deprive your man of sex while also preventing him from getting it anywhere else.

Haha annnd here we go, typical emotionally immature female personal attacks when you can't make any real points. It's sooo overplayed

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okay since you seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension, i will summarize it for you:

we talked about spousal rape and lack of voting rights being issues women could have in the early 20th century. you said it was dishonest to say that "a majority of women didn't like their position at the time," presumably in regards to these issues since that was the topic of discussion. i used a shorthand and asked for data showing they were "united" on not wanting spousal rape laws or voting rights. you somehow got the understanding that this was different than asking for data showing "a majority" did not want spousal rape laws or voting rights, and you've now backtracked and said it's only about voting rights and not spousal rape. so please, if you do have any data to support these "facts" of yours, feel free to leave them and stop wasting my time

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Wasting your time? Clearly you haven't done the first bit of research and just want to argue uneducated bullshit.

Yes, words have meaning... united has a different definition than majority. It's not complicated.

I never backtracked, we were on a side conversation and I was replying to that one comment and you're trying to pretend I was still replying to the parent. Yawn.

You're beyond me teaching you stuff because you clearly just want to insult and throw a tantrum. If you're not mature enough to not twist my words and not insult you, and not do your own Google...we all know you're not here acting in good faith so you can stfu

But here anyway here since, unlike you, I care about truth:

https://lawandinequality.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/06_1Law_Ineq11983.pdf

https://news.gallup.com/vault/341822/gallup-vault-history-reluctance-women-working.aspx

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