Banned by RPW

We_Are_Legion · 2014-07-04T16:16:29+00:00

You were banned for posting at /r/thebluepill. We ban anyone who posts there, sometimes even preemptively. Why on Earth would you run over to a debate sub to report this.

We_Are_Legion · 2014-07-04T16:55:35+00:00

I'm going to bet on this thread(like others before) devolving into a ban complaints thread, so let me just clear the air and provide some answers for those curious.

Redpill may have just 60-65K subscribers, but it is possibly one of the more under-seige forums(not just subreddits) for its size on the internet. From a conversation with a mod, the figure is [EDIT: undisclosed whole number] million unique visitors in May. With lurkers far exceeding subscribers. Considering the barrier to entry being its famously harsh tone and tons of incredibly spread out reading, its a wonder even 60K had the attention span to understand enough to subscribe. (I personally classify most BPs, from having listened to their arguments as people who understand halfway.)

That said, many of the policies in regard to controlling this influx are necessarily harsh. If you read the sticky post at the moment, it should give you an idea, we are not open to our tone or message being diluted with politically correct bullshit.

Even so, TRP does not ban people for simply disagreeing, it bans people for how they choose to disagree((productively vs obnoxiously). Examples of obnoxiously are using shaming language(there is literally a link in the side bar that warns you that this list of arguments is how we identify you as a troll. you may be special in your head but that entire list has been emptied at us by thousands of people before you, and is no longer something we bother explaining any more), trying to tone police, concern trolling, arguing via platitudes, pedantry, moralistic fallacies, thought-terminating clichés("...you seem like misogynists to me and that's why you're wrong" = ban. I wrote about this on RP here.If you disagree, address the points), etc.

Even if not that, you still can get banned for other reasons; making conversations into personal grudges, not following the rules and guidelines and incessantly giving distinctly "BP" platitude-ridden posts or advice WITHOUT justifying it. That said, considering what I said in my second paragraph, know the mods are few and are understandably, not very concerned with lengthy due process. RP does want you to hesitate a little before you post a message and consider if that shit is worth reading by anyone there.

To give you an idea of how you can expect to be banned, here is a conversation between a bannee and mod on why he was banned:

http://np.reddit.com/r/AlreadyRed/comments/21xdeo/how_much_is_too_much/cghpmsh

If you are wondering HOW you can come into redpill and DISAGREE constructively without being banned, read this from the same thread(whisper's and redpillschool's posts):

http://np.reddit.com/r/AlreadyRed/comments/21xdeo/how_much_is_too_much/cgi5s3g

Interestingly, the thread was a conversation on how far protecting RP from being co-opted by its own popularity has turned it into a cult. Interesting read.

NOW: A lot of you will automatically come up with "but I've never even done much/anything wrong there! Why am I banned?"

The answer is(for many); .np links. If you follow said links, from say TBP or SRS or what have you, and you vote or participate(even pretending to be RP opinionated), it may be possible for mods to ban you. This also applies if you post links to TRP and FORGET to use .np links when doing so.

The second reason you may be banned is, proactive banning of people likely to become trolls. i.e. for submitting too many TBP/SRD/SRS/whatever links into RP or commenting in threads which are currently causing vote brigades or a high influx of shitty BP reported comments. Mods may find that thread and read your shit or just randomly ban you. This applies doubly to participating in threads which are brigading RP WITHOUT a .np marker. Mods may investigate where the traffic is coming from and see those links especially. They may see you commenting in that thread and assume you are going through onto RP, and pre-empt any posts by you. Keep in mind, the banning process is not lengthy.

Basically, the current state of reddit's obsession and drama over RP is conflicting with our desire to have our discussions undisturbed by you. Perhaps you're innocent, but overall, proactively banning people who are high risk of commenting is something we all very much agree with. You can lob charges of censorship all you want, but we're not obligated to give you a decent say if this is the mainstream response to our self-contained isolated say.

Redpill is a rare place on the internet where our opinions are voiced and there's a gathering of us, specifically. People are looking for value out of redpill, they are looking for advice. Non-nebulous actionable practical advice and observations from a RP perspective. This cannot happen if you are bringing down the signal-to-noise ratio. You can take your shit elsewhere, but we cannot. Try to respect that.

And also be open to the possibility, that perhaps you are wrong and can benefit from shutting up, putting aside your ego and listening. Especially in the face of criticism, of you or your gender/group. Be open to the possibility that as far as we are discussing redpill, maybe something is not making sense to you because you never bothered to do your homework and are clueless of context, and that this is painfully apparent to the rest of us who read your shit. That there are somethings we assume everyone knows, and when you do not, and you say it, you make yourself a target to be downvoted, banned or deleted. This is not an organised class centered around you. You glean from lurking. If you don't understand something, it is better to search and lurk more(or use asktrp or the IRC). If you have nothing worthwhile to contribute, say nothing.

If it matters, I'll also mention I've engaged in vehement disagreements with mods and ECs about multiple points, for example, banning women who mention they're women, shit-tests, "women are children", and of course, gaylubeoil. I've never been banned. If anything, I was given more say on RP than ever. Its because of how we choose to disagree vs how you choose to disagree. AGAIN, see above on how to disagree without being banned. The experience of people who post here is against you.

But more than anything, try to understand more before you start arguments, otherwise you are going to deal with people who are simply going to roll their eyes, downvote and move on because they are NOT patient enough to explain from the basics. It is not our burden to make you understand. We never invited you. And we don't have time to explain things you are too lazy to search for or read on the side bar.

An example of a civil disagreement(over "Women: The most responsible teenager in the house"): http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2664p3/mod_if_you_fail_the_reading_test_i_will_ban_you/cho43so

HappyWifeLife · 2014-07-04T16:28:55+00:00

It's weird that you say your comment was innocuous and genuinely not sarcastic but you came here to report the ban instead of messaging the mods to explain the comment.

Scarlett_Begonias · 2014-07-04T17:05:40+00:00

I got banned by them yesterday. That's just how they are apparently. You say one thing they might not like and BAM gone. To me they are just as bad as feminists, totally judgmental and not open to any new ideas, ever. They are just another group who thinks they have it all figured out, and like every other group with that mentality they are dead wrong . Not everyone can fit in the same box and be happy. The day you stop asking questions, stop learning, and decide you've got it figured out is the day you become a useless waste of space.

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Denswend · 2014-07-04T15:40:49+00:00

Were you banned for this comment :

Clearly he was intimidated by how good you looked, and probably wanted to "take you down a peg." Luckily you know that his lack of confidence isn't your problem!

Yeah, it kinda looks sarcastic. I'll admit that sarcasm over the internet is quite hard to achieve, as sarcasm depends on body language and tone of your voice - both of those things just cannot translate over the internet. But it makes sense to be banned for such a transgression, especially when they had prior bad experience with you. TRP itself and all its derivations have a low tolerance for trollish posts. For example, when mod instituted an instaban rule for posting over Eliot Rodgers - and he did that in good measure. If you want to troll, or have some snarky "sarcasm" (passive aggressive jabs in SJW outraged manner), you have subreddit the blue pill.

To put it into context, this is the top voted comment :

Sounds like he was trying and failing at negging you.

And the thread is here.

AFormidableContender · 2014-07-04T17:00:41+00:00

Nope, have to disagree. I mean in context your correct, if you let feminists take part in a community their main weapon is hostile taker over the commandeering of messages and shaming etc etc, but that's not what's going on with RPW and TRP even. These subreddits are just as bad as extremist BluePill subreddits when it come to shitting on people because they are essentially the same thing and haven't risen above the petty in-group bias because they came there for the same reason: they want their world view circle jerked.

I mean even speaking as a RedPill Man, the content of both subs is over the top most of the time and clearly explicit attempts to circlejerk beliefs that are pretty out there even for rational TRP people.

Edit: I don't know why this was posted here. This was supposed to be my response to the poster above who responded to my comment, but it's got a reply thread going so I'll just leave it

berryokt · 2014-07-04T16:07:56+00:00

I was banned from RPW for advocating physical discipline. I still enjoy reading the sub and agree with most red pill beliefs.

AFormidableContender · 2014-07-04T16:39:21+00:00

RPW are no different than women who take part in extremist BluePill subs like /r/AskWoman. They just have a different extremist tilt.

Women tend to "nest"; when they get together in primarily female spaces meant for discussion, they become radically in-group biased and shit on anyone who tries to penetrate that.

Women are very codependant creatures....they can't really exist without constant validation from a peer group, and the moral behaviour of the group doesn't seem to matter so long as they have one.

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tryin2figureitout · 2014-07-04T15:56:36+00:00

Holy shit, you like Queensnake? She so fucking hot. She make me wish I was a woman. Never thought I'd meet a woman into that.

Sorry if off topic, I was looking at you comments and saw it on your submitted. To anyone that is think of googling this, don't unless your twisted. :)

Title	Banned by RPW
Author	Scarlett_Begonias
Upvotes	3
Comments	108
Date	July 4, 2014 3:23 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/29tyc9/banned_by_rpw/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/PurplePillDebate/banned-by-rpw.285380 https://theredarchive.com/post/285380

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