Hamstering | PurplePillDebate

taiboworks · 2014-11-18T14:51:19+00:00

Is this hamstering? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPT5dFHK3wo http://www.rsdnation.com/node/551104/forum...

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Bahahaha.

Hamstering is harder for men

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I doubt he was justifying it to himself though.

but if he was, that would be hamstering?

Pretty much.

By your own definition, his externality wouldn't change at all if he were hamstering, just his mindset. You literally can't say that the fact that men are held to a higher accountability (arguably not even true, but even if it is, the point still holds) has any effect on the difficulty of hamstering if, to the outside world, he is doing the same thing he would be doing if he were hamstering, and that the only difference is whether or not he was justifying it to himself too.

This is why the idea of hamstering is so sexist. It's because in the RPer's mind, when men justify shit, oh no, it's not hamstering, they're not lying to themselves, it's just an act to get out of a sticky situation. But women are internally emotionally weak and hypocrites, they actually believe the shit they spew.

Sickening

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I was never treated like that by women, not even close. Worst was eyes rolled "not interested, loser".

So? Others were.

Look, if you see women are the enemy, who need to be coerced and intimated, you are simply not one of the normal people.

What about TRP or PUA suggests men participating in it are trying to be normal? Being normal is what lead them to pain, heartache and loneliness in the first place.

. You are textbook literal sexist.

Cool

It is not whiteknighting to point it out. I do whiteknight, too, but that is about different issues.

That's not something to be proud of.

I mean if RP does not lead to actually loving your woman, if you feel you need to coerce her and see this shit as normal, it is NOT a viable strategy.

I'm curious why you are under the impression you get to determine for other people whether or not their sexual strategy is viable? If I can get women in a way that makes me happy, and they either have sex or join in relationships with me willingly, your opinion of how I did that isn't worth much.

The basic requirement of a viable strategy is to find a willing, autonomous partner who loves you and does not simply pretend to love because she is scared.

Says who? (Ignoring that you're forming wild and unrealistic situations and taking TRP mantra to a criminal extreme)

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"never my intention to offend anyone in anyway"
"my intentions were never bad"
"a lot of it got put out of context"
"horrible attempt at humor"
"that's where a lot of the confusion is coming from"
"you can make anything look bad"
"i thought mocking it (the abuse chart) would be funny"

he's not owning up to his actual/real intentions, behavior. he's spinning like a hamster. is this superficial hamstering merely for show, self preservation? i.e. he knows he is lying, maybe, who knows. is it only hamstering if the hamsteree totally believes what they are saying (i.e. julian blanc really believes all the statements above are true)? or is it merely about the act of uttering false rationalizations whether or not the utterer actually believes them. if you don't believe the lies you are spinning, is it gaslighting and not hamstering?

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"never my intention to offend anyone in anyway"

No

"my intentions were never bad"

No

"a lot of it got put out of context"

Not in a million years

"that's where a lot of the confusion is coming from"

Nope

"you can make anything look bad"

No

"i thought mocking it (the abuse chart) would be funny"

Eh, I can see why you would think this is hamstering but no.

I'll give you an example of hamstering: You're on a strict diet, you see a cake and since you have no self-control you eat it. You'll come up with a bullshit excuse like "One cake won't make me fat" or "Cheat day!". Hamstering is doing something then coming up with an irrational, bullshit excuse as to why you did it in the first place.

Julien Blanc is simply apologizing for what he did, there's no hamstering at all here. Oh and as a side note, this totally was an empty apology, he doesn't fucking care about it and apologized just to appease the crowd.

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Sartorial choices (which I consider make-up to be a part of) and making intrinsic changes to your personality and behaviour are two different things. Your intrinsic personality and beliefs are most people's perception of who they are. What you choose to show the world is a projection, influenced by your intrinsic aspects, but not part of them.

Changing your "self" and changing what you show the world have different connotations in regards to self-perception.

By your logic, someone is narcissist because they wear clothes that look good on them.

In regards to your second point, my father was the opposite of that if anything. Look at any romcom, compare the amount of women who are essentially household names directly for their physical appearance to men who are the same.

A logical extension of the feminist narrative that women's achievements are overshadowed by their looks relative to men, is that a highly attractive woman has similar social currency as a high-achieving man. Combine that with the onus that is placed on men to approach and display value to attractive women and what do you get?

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I wasn't saying that. I was talking more about people like Kim Kardashian or Kate Upton. There are no equally well-known male equivalents of women like them.

You make a valid point about actors though. I can think of two female actors trading on the "schlubby female" (and one of them is the "bridesmaids actress", by which I think you mean Rebel Wilson) thing, but many many more men. I don't think this is changing. You just have someone else doing what Roseanne did, not more people. With female physical attractiveness being as important a part of being female as it is, it takes a certain level of confidence to come out and say "I'm physically unappealing, but what of it? " and really mean it and actually play up to it. Most people don't have the self-esteem for that.

Metro-sexuality is a personal choice. I've got no real opinion of it, but it's generally commented upon as if it were a mild absurdity by men and women alike.

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He rubbed me the wrong way in the first place if I'm gonna be honest. He has said a few things I don't necessarily agree with. Then again, he also has a lot of good stuff to say, too. I guess what I mean is I wouldn't spend money to go to his seminars, or any seminars about dating really, but he's a cool guy and he has a lot to offer.

I don't believe he folded so much as was forced to take all that on camera. He's not a beta. He was under a gun. I'm telling you that you're looking at a man who had been threatened to within an inch of his life if he didn't comply.

I don't see what he did as hamstering. I think he was forced to say what he said, and it was killing him inside, but he really had no choice.

Btw, he doesn't diss clients, he points out exactly what is wrong with their behaviors if they want to be successful as far as attracting more outgoing women goes.

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But he isn't getting the same attention, now he's on TV and trending. Before he would only piss off some people on the internet who are already into that kind of culture.

RSD has been in the news before. This isn't about validation and attention.

Any publicity is good publicity. People are willing to do all kinds of insane shit to be famous. Kim Kardashian made a sex tape and then sold the rights to it for $5 million. People have drank donkey sperm on Fear Factor. People will intentionally act like doofuses and assholes on reality TV on a daily basis. Going to an interview on CNN willingly is not that far of a stretch.

Yes, people will do insane shit to get attention for their brand, but not when it looks like he's scared for his life. That tells me something else was going on behind the scenes and it should tell you something similar as well.

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I didn't say they hated women. I was intentionally more precise than that. But they certainly treat them differently. We've had huge threads here where RPers have tirelessly argued that women are inherently less valuable to society.

Based on what they say and the actions they endorse, RPers in general certainly don't view women as equals to men. They certainly don't treat women with the same genuineness that they treat other men with. They certainly don't understand women and often believe that women are being selfish, subversive, etc. In this exact thread they talk about how they believe men don't hamster but women do, even if externally what both men and women are doing look exactly the same. They make assumptions about women that demonstrate a clear lack of empathy and understanding.

Reverse-namecalling the way you are is honestly just sad. Your dogmatism is biting you in the ass because the shit you are saying here makes no sense. This guy caved and he's doing damage control, backpedaling, using the media to draw attention to himself and probably isn't acting in his best interest because it's hard to do so when so much social pressure is put on you. I feel for the guy, though I do find his teachings reprehensible. Countries have tried to bar his entry. That probably made him feel shitty and he wants his image to be better than that. But nobody's gonna kill him. Nobody's gonna force him to say something on national TV (he doesn't even have to go on, as many have said). People like him aren't impervious to pressure, to missteps, to changing their mind.

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RPers in general certainly don't view women as equals to men

It's kind of our thing.

They certainly don't treat women with the same genuineness that they treat other men with.

After taking TRP, I'm more genuine with women now than ever before. I'm very frank about what I think, because I don't care what you think. I'm not thirsty for your pussy, and I know it wouldn't help if I was anyway.

They certainly don't understand women and often believe that women are being selfish, subversive, etc.

Sure we don't, and sure you're not. Fuck understanding us, right?

In this exact thread they talk about how they believe men don't hamster but women do, even if externally what both men and women are doing look exactly the same.

The general consensus is that women are inherently less rational than men overall, and there are multiple reasons that can explain this. Men can "hamster", but this doesn't happen to the same extent as it does with women, which is why it doesn't warrant the usage of the term. You're free to refer to it that way if it makes you delicate female ego feel better though.

They make assumptions about women that demonstrate a clear lack of empathy and understanding.

It's hard to care that much when women are incapable of loving men for who they are.

Reverse-namecalling the way you are is honestly just sad. Your dogmatism is biting you in the ass because the shit you are saying here makes no sense.

I need an explanation.

This guy caved and he's doing damage control, backpedaling, using the media to draw attention to himself and probably isn't acting in his best interest because it's hard to do so when so much social pressure is put on you. I feel for the guy, though I do find his teachings reprehensible. Countries have tried to bar his entry. That probably made him feel shitty and he wants his image to be better than that. But nobody's gonna kill him. Nobody's gonna force him to say something on national TV (he doesn't even have to go on, as many have said). People like him aren't impervious to pressure, to missteps, to changing their mind.

He caved because there's a gun to his head. Nobody is going to give a shit or even remember about what he did ten years from now.

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After taking TRP, I'm more genuine with women now than ever before.

It's hard to care that much when women are incapable of loving men for who they are.

I love how you are directly contradicting yourself so many times. I only want to point out one occurrence, because it would be a waste of my time to do more!

You're more genuine with women now after TRP, but TRP is what taught you that women are incapable of loving men for who they are? So...either you're more genuine, and women love you less, or you're less genuine, and women love you more... Or, possibly gasp women aren't across-the-board incapable of loving men?!

I'm done responding to your shit because I've lost interest. Believe whatever nasty delusions you want, bro. Take your need for an explanation and shove it up your ass.

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Title	Hamstering
Author	taiboworks
Upvotes	9
Comments	84
Date	November 18, 2014 2:51 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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