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[–]yaboitinky3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There are a lot of men out there who aren't getting shit. Or maybe they got laid once with a fat chick or something. They go unnoticed and no one cares.
[–]dragoness_leclerq🚑 Vagina Red Cross 🚑2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or maybe they got laid once with a fat chick or something.
Doesn't matter, had sex.
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[–]Entropy-7Old Goat2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Mathematically, the average number of partners has to be the same because every time a guy fucks a girl, a girl fucks a guy. However, the median - the halfway point - for guys is about 50% higher than for girls.
For ages 15 to 44, women are roughly 50% more likely to have between 1 and 6 lifetime partners, compared to guys. It is about the same odds (1-in-5) of having 7 to 14 partners. However, guys are almost 3 times as likely to have 15+ partners.
The thing is, for the average to be equal, the sluttiest women have to be way more slutty than the sluttiest guys, by a factor or two or more. It's sort of like for every guy with an n-count of 20, there is a girl with an n-count of 40.
Tempering this is that the data only goes up to age 44 and there are guys like me who have racked up an n-count at age 45+ with women 44 and under.
But what the data suggests is the opposite of what you are saying: it isn't girls all fucking the same guy, it is a small group of girls (maybe 5% of the total) doing the rounds, fucking everyone and padding their n-count.
Reference
[–]DarkLord0chinChin1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Men lie up in self-reported studies, women lie down. It's all because of that virgin male / slutty female stigma that exists. You bet a man that is otherwise ok, but is still a virgin in his late twenties will never confess that he never fucked anyone. As will girls, and especially girls (because women lie more) never confess they fucked many many guys before becoming marriage material now
[–]Entropy-7Old Goat0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There isn't a lot of wiggle room between the men's self reports and the women's. Another study I read suggested that women shave off an average of 15% or so. Guys probably don't goose the numbers so much in an anonymous survey.
[–]DrunkGirl69Manic Pixie Drunk Girl0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it is a small group of girls (maybe 5% of the total) doing the rounds, fucking everyone and padding their n-count.
Alpha sluts, very interesting.
[–]bones_and_love3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It just depends on what bar of activity you are judging against. TRP tends to want to be the guy who can get a 1 night stand whenever and who has a bunch of women he's casually fucking on and off in his friends group. That's definitely not the norm. The norm is probably closer to getting in and out of relationships every now and then, having an occasional one night stand, etc. But yeah, the majority of people have sex. It's just not unlimited and with whoever.
[–]Jakx118mgtow2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
People are different and have different experiences. There yah go. I know people in real life who lost it at 13, then I have friends who are still virgins after the age of 21. It's rare, but they're out there. To be honest though, I don't know a single girl in real life that was a virgin after the age of 16.
Guess it depends on what circles you run in.
[–]Sandralees2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't know a single girl in real life that was a virgin after the age of 16.
I know several who were a virgin well into their twenties. It's not uncommon. You need to be really close to people IRL for them to tell you the actual truth.
[–]CovenantoftheSunhealth is attractive2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Time and again in different economical, cultural, whatever its the same thing. The same few guys are banging most of the chicks, and the chicks are clueless as to why they can't seem to lock them down.
There's just a weird thing where there's this oft repeated dynamic from the attractive males and the rest of the crowd. Lots of girls want them, and they're happy to fuck them. Girls are surprised that guy fucks other girls. Calls him "douchebag" and "player" and "fuckboi" and proceeds to continue sleeping with his type still wondering why she's being laughed at behind her back and slut shamed. Because even unattractive girls have almost no trouble getting banged by a hot guy, things get lopsided.
Most girls have no use for a below average or even most average dudes in terms of sexual desirability.
Despite the lack of sex, average/below average guys have a high sex drive, try to figure out what the hell is happening and how do they get in on this.
Girls insist that its just for pleasure to try to not scare away guys who really do just want to have fun and "not stick their dick in crazy".
Secretly, the girl feels so charmed and really wants to be the mate and lock down a guy. I have yet to meet a slut who insists its just free love or whatever who didn't go guns blazing trying to lock down an attractive guy that fucked her. It almost never happens. Its a shit sexual strategy, and sure it can catch some unsuspecting chads especially a few good natured ones for a while or worse if they get themselves pregnant, but...
If you aren't one of the attractive guys, you still have a really high sex drive, but you aren't getting laid. So? What do you do?
One of two things; One, bitch about being an incel or; Two, literally reverse engineer and try to emulate the aspects of sexual desirability; Hit the gym, improve hair/clothes, have resources or the appearance of resources... Get laid.
Sluts have 0% trouble getting laid, even if they take shit care of their health really the only thing a girl has to worry about is not being super fat. If she isn't obese, she can bang hot guys. If she's obese, she can bang average guys. Its not hard, there's no victory there unless she locks his commitment down. Girls are crying and complaining all the time about being pumped and dumped.
[–]DrunkGirl69Manic Pixie Drunk Girl1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Girls are crying and complaining all the time about being pumped and dumped.
I hear about this happening from RP men here but literally never hear anything like it from women irl.
I also don't really believe that you've never once known a woman to have sex with a guy and not pursue his commitment afterwards. I see that happen quite frequently.
[–]CovenantoftheSunhealth is attractive0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I hope you are right. It doesn't matter if you don't believe me, but I'd like to see more of the types of people you are talking about in my life.
[–]MisgenderedCactusEgalitarian, Pro-MGTOW, FtM Transgender, Atheist2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Depends on your social circle, I think.
I shared my consensual virginity at 22, which is the oldest age in my immediate friends circle. All of them had girlfriends in high school and college, so they shared their virginities between the ages of 17-20. None of them have Ns over 10, most have 4-5, and all are from LTRs. My N is 1, but I'm really hoping to make it 2 in 2017. We are all geeks, nerds, computer techs, or engineers, so hardly the type of people you'd find out clubbing or whatever. But none of us are virgins, either so take that as you will.
[–]Lonny_zone1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I think most people can only get relationship sex. Most people are 5s.
Most people who can get casual sex are above average, 6+, so casual sex is rare.
Look at the places people go to find partners for casual sex (like dating sites, bars, clubs, and parties) and you will see that most people there are 6+ or shit out of luck.
[–]jonascf3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm a 5 and I get relationship sex and fwb-sex, if ons were my thing I could probably get that occasionally too. Average is good enough.
[–]Lonny_zone0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
6+ people love calling themselves 5s. Not to say that 5minus people can't get casual sex, I didn't men literally all 5s. #notall
FWBs are practically relationships anyway. It's 2016.
[–]Entropy-7Old Goat1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Something like half of guys get laid at least once before they are 18 and a few more get blown.
By the time they are in their 20s, about 1-in-7 are still virgins and another 1-in-5 will have had one partner. On the other hand, half have had 4+ partners.
[–]MarriedLifterBP guy1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But on the other hand, sex seems impossible to get when I hear people talking about it.
Nah. Don't believe losers who spend all their time on Reddit.
When I was in college, I hung out with a pretty geeky group. Pretty much everybody who had the slightest interest in having sex managed to do so, though some took longer than others. And the overwhelming majority of women I knew were generally decent human beings. Furthermore, most of my girlfriends over the years approached me, and all I had to do was realize it. (I was clueless at first, and women tend to be more subtle initially.) I've been offered one night stands and politely declined.
I'm a STEMlord geek, and not some hot jock. I was overweight for most of college, though I tended to have better luck romantically when I kept in better shape.
I mean, I believe the dating scene might be very different elsewhere. But in the long run, you choose your friends and where you live. And I also believe that many geek guys are making simple, easily preventable errors, like not showering, not socializing regularly in mixed gender groups, or not recognizing when women are interested (and getting all stressed and freaked out that a women is speaking to them, thereby convincing her that her attentions are unwelcome).
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep. Also, lots of geeks have been crapped on and seen as creepy for talking to women. Repeat this enough times and your geeky dude is gonna want to hang out with other dudes, not women.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because the guys complaining about how it's very hard to get girlfriends or casual sex are below average in some way. Either they are ugly, socially awkward, have no interesting or desirable personality traits or hobbies, or some mixture of the three.
The vast majority of guys quite obviously has no problem. The CDC can even confirm this nicely. 97% of men have sex, read it and weep.
Ignore the guys who sit and whine about this. There's a reason they just sit there pitying themselves all day, and it's not because they're attractive and normal...
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
shockingly low virginity levels.
I don't think they are shockingly low. 1 in 4 college seniors are still virgins
Also, your comparing across genders, a useless concept.
For women, sex is extremely, extremely easy to get. Most so for casual sex. They just have to walk into any frathouse or club party and pick out a guy they like.
For men, it goes like this:
Sex in relationships is not difficult to get.
Casual sex with average women is somewhat difficult to get.
Consistent, frequent casual sex with different women is extremely hard.
[–]Jakx118mgtow0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would add, for most men, getting a relationship with an average (sure) girl is moderately easy to get. However much sex they're having tends to change from couple to couple.
Then I'd say simply most guys aren't having casual sex. They just aren't. Some guys may get lucky every now and then...hence the phrase probably. But I would say it's not happening often for most men.
And yes, the only dudes I know in real life who are fucking girls constantly make even me jealous....for different reasons of course, but still.
Every girl I know, whether it be a nerdy, pudgy girl to the smoking babe is having or has had sex within any given two weeks of their life.
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[–]lbspredh0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
if you're attractive and play it right, or just want any sex with whoever it's not hard to find sex
also people lie on the internet, it's totally a thing
[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Everybody has sex, give 1 million people each a lifetime to get sex and they will manage it.
Now tell them that they have to get laid this Saturday and suddenly much less men manage it, most probably with uglier chicks than normally etc.
It's about consistency, cost benefit analysis and the quality of these girls. Some meth junky showed me her pussy after I saved her life, she looked good but no thanks. I want normal (in terms of character), good looking women. Just sex is easy to get, quality sex is hard to get. And I want that at least twice a week except for a in a relationship or a/several FWB situations.
It's pathetic to see guys going out twice a week, flirting all night and then going home alone for more than a year.
[–]DynamicLoser-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Most men out there are not getting casual sex. They aren't getting ONS or FWBS and most men are continuously rejected when they approach women even if they approach women in their smv league or lower.
There are indeed men who have a ton of partners and women usually report lower numbers than men, but that's because girls are having casual sex with the same guys.
Todd, Brad And Chad.
Todd is a 8/10 Brad is 9/10 and Chad is 10/10 the ultimate chad. Its impossible to compete with those guys.
[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Do you have ugly female friends? They fuck ugly males, have ugly fwb situations with ugly males...
[–]DynamicLoser0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Actually several of them are in FWBS with alphas.
Then I know some very beta and unattractive alphas.
[–]YouDislikeMyOpinionRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If you can't beat em, join em.
[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
...or murder them
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