The problem with these men

harmonica2 · 2024-02-21T23:31:52+00:00

I'm not rich by any means and I have a gf so is it possible therefore for others to get GFS without being rich or highly unlikely?

Far-Alarm-2740 · 2024-02-21T23:35:00+00:00

All you see? Maybe you should see more. If you can’t talk about hoe culture, sexual manipulation or any kind of female accountability, you are the female equivalent of the guys you mention. Not even purple, very blue pill indeed.

LimpJongUn · 2024-02-21T23:27:53+00:00

I actually agree with most of these.

1 and 2) many men are ugly af and poor af. Work on yourself in those areas and MAYBE you can snatch those hot women.

3) I disagree here. As an asshole who "alpha widowed" many women, there are signs within the first 2 months that give us away. Most women's advice actually hinder a woman's ability to identify us. Listen to the men instead

4) 100% agree. There is always a bigger fish. Self improve and let the chips fall where they may

Hoopy223 · 2024-02-21T23:36:02+00:00

Men get pissy because their woman friends tell them 1) looks don’t matter 2) they don’t care about money and 3) they want a “nice man” who treats them right…and then they run off and do the opposite of everything lol.

Fabulous_HonestTea · 2024-02-21T23:25:22+00:00

I see men calling out women for lying and denying about behaving the way you describe, not whining.

In fact, I don’t see any legitimate whining, but women claim the men here do it so much and so often that I just give them the benefit of the doubt.

qwertyuduyu321 · 2024-02-21T23:35:07+00:00

TL;DR version of your wall of text:

Men are more whiny as they are left with (significantly) fewer options relative to most women. A good chunk of these men turn into (unjustifiably as they would do the same given the option) resentful individuals as their desperation levels reaches new highs week by week.

Okay, but what about this is new or original? Like, WE KNOW.

YearnsToDestroySun · 2024-02-21T23:43:00+00:00

I think the stuff that drives men crazy is the messy nuances.

Like, objectively I was blessed with a handsome face (which makes other guys scream liar! Prove it by sharing!! Etc.).

However, when I run crap through say photofeeler, you get comments and ratings all over the fucking place from women.

A physically cutie or hottie (especially hotties for whatever reason) would get more ubiquitous agreement among men and we all would share the same reasons why on attractiveness. Not much mystery there. Clear objectivity in it.

But, on photofeeler, I had comments like 2/3rd of women would say "Great smile!" And the other 1/3rd would say "Would prefer if you smiled more" with say a 6 attractiveness rating.

which to a guy like me, is way too much subjective reasoning these women are apparently sub-consciously employing (and in their heads they treat it arrogantly like they're being objective in such criticism) which is just complete psychological torture for guys stuck in this situation trying to improve their photos.

However....even worse:

Then I posted another pic through photofeeler for shits and grins thinking it'd receive even worse ratings because I'm not smiling at all, but a more serious, very masculine vibe almost to the point of looking grouchy or something which I hypothesized women would complain about that facial expression like it's unapproachable or too threatening.

Buzz, totally reasonable hypothesis based on the above experience proven WRONG.

The grouchy photo gets a 9 attractive rating with no comments with women bitching about how "I need to smile more"... or really anything else which flies completely in the face of what women were being critical about before.

Do you know what signal this sends men? You can't trust what women say in general, and if you can't trust what a woman says, you lose respect because it feels childish that IN GENERAL women seem incapable to think outside their own heads with a little more agency. Almost like it's a very disappointing biological/evolutionary deficiency women have in this regard.

So for a guy looking for an actual relationship and not just a cutie, they have to have enough internal honesty and IQ points to overcome this deficiency which seems impossible to find.

Such a special woman is:

1-cute enough to satisfy physically, but

2-also wise enough to partition her objective and subjective analysis and thoughts and

3- correlate her behavior that is reasonable and consistent with that.

Such a woman is prime relationship/marriage material, and many married women I notice are like this....but are becoming increasingly rare Unicorns to find unfortunately in this spoiled, digital age.

Silver_Past2313 · 2024-02-21T23:32:48+00:00

We haven't become obsessed with women. We were born with a need to reproduce and have relationships, specifically with women. Blame god or evolution.

The market is tipped heavily against men due to billionaires and government. Open your eyes. None of my friends can find girlfriends and I've settled for a fat one. (Specific to zoomers) this is the real issue that all complaints are downstream from. There is a need, it's not being met on a wide scale.

Otjahe · 2024-02-21T23:38:25+00:00

True. Also some men (I’m assuming lots on Reddit) need to realize their level attractiveness, OF COURSE you’re not getting a 8/10 hot woman when you are just a 3/10, aim for 3/10 or LOWER to increase your odds. Stop the childish entitlement.

HatedByaNation · 2024-02-21T23:31:14+00:00

Thanks I’m cured. I’ve never thought about improving myself at all. I don’t know how to do that since it’s so vague but maybe I’ll ask my neighbor who doesn’t work and lives with his parents yet seems to do fine dating wise. Oh but maybe his personality is better whatever that means.

As men, if we are ugly asses we don’t choose anything. Thankfully society has made it impossible for us to do anything in person (work = sexual harassment, gym = lose your membership, everywhere else = but youre not in my social circle so stranger danger) so we are relegated to apps where the cards are stacked against us.

Life is not a supermarket where you choose every outcome. Sure you can improve your income or work out. Doesn’t matter when you are unattractive. Some people are just fucking unattractive which I know is so hard to believe but it is true.

Barely-moral · 2024-02-21T23:43:17+00:00

Hi lilith. Even if you are not lilith. Close enough to lilith

All I see on this sub are men crying and upset about

women choosing attractive men

Women choosing attractive immoral men over moral men. (They use the word asshole)

women choosing men who have money

Women choosing immoral men with money over moral men. (They use the word asshole)

women choosing assholes and not “nice guys”

See above.

having competition with other men

Moral men having to compete against assholes and losing.

The thing about all these points is that they blame women when in fact it should be themselves. They have become obsessed with women and wanting women and now hate women becuase they can’t be with women.

The one that prioritize anything above morality is at fault.

Women choose attractive/good looking men the same way that men choose attractive good looking women.

Only men with options choose. And for those men everything I say to women applies.

Average looking people will most likely end up with average looking people. The same men complaining about this probably wouldn’t choose a woman who might have acne, who might be overweight, who might have a physical disability, who might have hair on her body, etc.

If they have options and pick immorality over morality, fuck them.

Also, would it be better if an attractive woman chose a man she’s not attracted to?

If the resulting incentive structure rewards morality over immorality, yes.

Do you understand what issues that would cause?

I understand the issues that an incentive structure that rewards immorality over morality creates.

There’s no such thing as forcing attraction. Get over yourself and learn that looks aren’t everything. There are also traits that make you attractive.

If the incentive structure rewards pursuing attractive traits over morality, you get a society that puts more focus on becoming attractive than in becoming moral.

Men are so stuck on women choosing men with money.

Only if the man with money is an asshole (immoral)

Yet you would look down on a woman if she chose a complete bum/poor guy who could not support his kids.

Because making decisions that put your children at a disadvantage is immoral.

Do you understand that kids cost money and most women want kids? Do you understand that she has to risk her career and take maternity leave and needs a man who can provide during that time?

Yes. See above.

Also, if someone is offering apples and oranges and the other is offering apples, both genders would take apples and oranges (the person with more money) considering that all other traits are similar.

I find this reasonable as long as morality remains a priority.

Also, if men had the choice to choose women who made more money, do you think that they wouldn’t?

I had the option, I preffer a woman without money.

Men here love to talk about how women choose assholes over nice guys.

And I see it.

Do you realize how many men choose “crazy” women?

Do you realize how few men choose?

Do we blame the man for choosing a “crazy” women?

If he has options and chooses a crazy woman, yes.

No one obviously wants an asshole or crazy person.

Men with no options want to. Women with options want to.

People reveal themselves after.

Or before. I have seen women go after known abusers.

Also, if you were a nice guy, you wouldn’t EXPECT something from women for being a nice guy.

I expect that morality is rewarded and immorality is punished.

Guys claiming to be nice guys feel they are owed a girl. You’re not owed shit.

I agree. But a world that rewards anything over morality is a shit world that should change.

Competition exists everywhere. There will always be someone who is better than you. If you obsess about that rather than work on yourself you won’t make it anywhere.

I wouldn't complain if the competition was on who is more good and not who is more attractive.

wtknight · 2024-02-21T23:46:52+00:00

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FutureBannedAccount2 · 2024-02-21T23:32:08+00:00

This seems more like a rant than a discussion prompt

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qwertyuduyu321 · 2024-02-21T23:33:05+00:00

TL;DR

Men are more whiny as their left with (significantly) less options than most women. A good chunk of these men turn into (unjustifyingly as they would do the same given the option) resentful indiviuals as their desperation reaches new heighs week by week.

Okay, but what about this is new or original? Like, WE KNOW.

Title	The problem with these men
Author	Searchtheanswer
Upvotes	9
Comments	23
Date	February 21, 2024 11:14 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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