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Pretty rich to see someone against the mrm complaining about double standards, especially in regards to prison sentencing. It is a fact that women get lighter sentences for the exact same crime.

I'm not even sure where you're getting your opinion on the thoughts of the mrm, where are mras asking for lighter punishments or none at all, in relation to what crimes?

What is too harsh? Who's sentence? The way you worded it sounds like mra said the women's sentence was too harsh, which goes against your entire narrative.

Mras have no real issues, like male suicide, the bias against men going to college(60% of college students are female), the drugging of boys in school, the bias against hiring males for jobs (especially stem), divorce/alimony/child support laws, prison sentencing, custody/access to kids, false rape allegations, domestic violence and rape, homeless people (majority male), bodily integrity (circumcision on infant that isn't able to consent).

Fuck all those issues, mras just hate teh wimmenz and want to do evil stuff and not get punished /s

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male suicide - we have money in research for mental health and we are working to close to stigma.

bias against men going to college - what bias? they are allowed to apply right? they aren't being held back from applying, right? they are given all the opportunities to apply, right?

divorce/alimony/child - all wrong. i actually looked this up b/c i was interested in it.

custody/access - same with the divorce bit.

false rape allegations - a small percentage. maybe we should get those rape kits done then?

domestic violence and rape - yes bad, and they are working on this.

homeless people - blame the conservatives for this one. research shows providing affordable living is very helpful, but your right-wing pals don't want to.

bodily integrity - agreed on that one. i am against ear piercing too on infants.

drugs - this is not a boys issue, girls are being drugged too. it can actually help in some ways if it's done correctly.

those are great issues. too bad i rarely see them on mra...and actually moving towards it.

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College - women are now the majority of college students. Especially fields like stem women are vastly preferred over male applicants.

Divorce courts - you didn't look hard enough. You should look up David foleys story.

Custody - when are women punished for withholding access to children? How many men are denied visitation just because the ex wants to be vindictive?

These issues are talked about daily on mra sites, as for progress, maybe feminists and sjw should stop disrupting and shutting down and groups or discussion that don't tow feminist dogma.

We see articles about mra groups, or groups like cafe not being allowed to start a discussion on campus because feminist keep saying the groups are misogynistic. Mainstream media constantly lies and slanders mras, how many times has roosh been called an mra now?

Meetings/talks get brigaded, fire alarms a pulled. Find me one instance of a feminist talk that was disrupted that badly by mras.

False allegations are not a small percentage, even if you say 2-8%, which is the number of proven cases in court of law, 20-30% of exonerations from innocence project are from cases like murder/rape. The "small" number assumes anything that isn't a conviction is still rape, i.e. Every single accusation is a rapist regardless of if that's actually true or not.

How many cases like Jackie, Uva, amherst, etc do we need before we start affording men accused of sexual misconduct due process? Right now men have none. Case in point the male from Amherst that received a blowjob while blacked out - the female reported it a year later, and he got expelled. When by all evidence it shows that she was the one performing a sexual act, on someone so drunk he could not consent.

As for rape kits, I is my understanding the hospital needs the persons consent before testing them, otherwise it's part of their medical data and police can't touch it.

Let's talk about the bs statistics feminists are constantly pushing like wage gap, rape culture. These are incredibly damaging to both genders growing up.

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What do you know, this is actually a step in the right direction. I do find it interesting that AVFM is calling this "feminist corruption" though, is she actually a feminist? I can't find any other reference to her being one, in the other articles or the internet. Given Elam's track record of making shit up I'm going to take that with a grain of salt.

Either way, this is the sort of thing I'd like to see out of the MRM, and less hateful "satire", less campaigning to acquit rapists and rape jokes at the expense of victims, less advocating to smear journalists, less advocating to remove protections for immigrant victims of domestic abuse (SAVE) less charity fraud and less petty attacks on feminist organizations which are literally helping the men the MRM claims to fight for.

Mostly though we are laying the ground work so culturally we can get traction for men issues.

Honestly, I think there are other, non-hateful organizations doing a much better job at this already. The MRM as a whole is just giving men's issues a bad name and making people less likely to listen and consider them seriously.

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first in the first article off if you read the article by futrell then you are missing key context. elam quote is given how court already stacked against the defendant for any case, and the amount of pressure that a DA can lay to bear against a defendant and give the prejudices that most juries have against the defense to begin with then add on top of that the ambiguities of most rape cases and how prosecutor can omit evidence to prevent the defendant from finding during discovery, that by virtue of the system a jury should not find anyone guilty much less of crime with the ambiguities of rape. Also import to keep in mind with the crime of rape is mens reas. You cant just violate some ones consent you have to knowling violate some consent.

seriously 70% of the people the innocents project gets off were convicted of rape. prosecuting rape with out dna which because feminist activism of 'you need to get to good place before you press charges typically after all the evidence is gone', has done more to hurt rape victim than any thing pual elam or even the red pill has done. I wont go in to detail as i outlined a lot the arguments i would make below in response to you OP on victim mentality.

The second futrell article is going after journalists who may or may not have slandered elam. I'm am not going to weigh other than to say their is a shit ton of dishonest journalism on the left that hasn't been called out until really gamergate (which ironically is how i found this forum via KIA you may remember the mod from here who posted there). any who the number of slanderous hit pieces that have come from the left on the mrm has been unreal. then we get painted as right wing because god help they haven't beat us yet... they just use us as a dispassionate club to beat the left via feminism. the mrm really is apolitical. the left hates us because we were among the first secular non politically affiliated groups to take on feminism. IE we aren't of the right or the left and we are not affiliated with religion. their are quite a few left wing mra that find it harder and harder to be apart of the left when the left consistently shits on men. And the right will hate us soon enough once we start going after trad con for their retarded bullshit. the mrm has no friend in the right left or libertarian parties. A lot the mrm is anti traditionalism, there goes the right, most of the mrm is anti feminist, their goes the left, a lot mrm problems require the government to solve properly, their goes the libertarians. where does the bastard child that is the mrm fit? In standard political theory the mrm would normal fit on the left except feminism won't let a genuine discussion of mens issues happen in the mainstream. PS the left abandoning mostly working class men is why trump is rising. because in the 70's the left in the us at least, abandoned the blue collar vote in favor of academics and identarians (before it got nuked you should have seen stormfront or sjw sub reddit, and you might want to read some feminist article especially if they talk about men with the mienkampf extension on). but thats a larger topic on the pernicious collectivism killing the left like a gangrenous sore.

your right wing watch piece has nothing to do with the mrm and didn't cite the mrm. there area lot issues with vawa beside the title. the mrms criticism of vawa is wildly different from a right wing criticism.

http://nation.time.com/2013/02/27/whats-wrong-with-the-violence-against-women-act/

http://www.mediaradar.org/how_is_vawa_out_of_control.php

essentially its a bigoted law which only ear marks money for women based off biased IPV research which you and i have talked about before.

the cafe stuff has been smoothed over, it was clerical error, don't be like a twerp and go stabbing at shadows. i mean have you seen what cafe has done? they are the first mrm affiliated organization not open a shelter for men in canada despite feminist complaints and protest.

For the amnesty international thing, do a little research in how A) equality is determined world wide and B) how humanitarian aid is distributed world wide. ah i never could keep a good spoiler so i will tell you now. most metrics for 'equality' [sic] only consider equality to be an issues when it doesn't favor women. SO if women are doing better than men in one area it get counted as 'equal'. if men are doing better in one area it is terrible injustice and must be fixed. really look at the reports and see how they define their equality indexes. it only counter as unequal if it doesn't favor women. Also look at humanitarian aide. their is naked bigotry there.

the good men project isn't willing to go far enough. i'm sorry its not. think about this does feminism have any qualms about calling out men when a man does some thing wrong. (cough cough killallmen yesallwomen hollaback teach men not to rape) isn't that how degeneracy behind 'teach men not to rape' posters that feminists adore so much got started? I mean like transpose that: can you imagine if the KKK had poster and mandatory freshmen classes at college saying 'teach blacks not to steal' or 'teach jews not not loan shark' . but some how that bigotry is just fine for men? I mean look how feminist react to rp? they look at negative things that primarily women do and say to men keep your guard. So which is it? is it moral degeneracy when rp says women have X negative quality and when feminist say men have X negative propensity? or is it just fine and dandy to generalize about men and women?

I would argue the latter because collectivism whether its the moral degeneracy of RP the moral degeneracy of feminism or the moral degeneracy of ethic nationalist movements are all by virtue of being collectivist in nature morally (and ethically) degenerate.

But no god help the mrm if they bring up with out pillorying all women by say 40-60% of DV is at the hands of women and vawa institutes a legal bias against men. Or talk about the moral degeneracy of star chambers on college campuses (and we are winning those legal battles BTW). Can't talk about any that because that might offend a pack of crypto marxist feminist who have issues with due process getting in the way of good old fashion ~~which hunt~~ lynching.

Also GMP does less activism than avfm does and avfm does a pithy amount activism already (does a lot advocacy though). GMP is a sinecure attempt by feminists to say they are talking about mens issue while simultaneously not wanting to criticize feminism when it needs it. seriously their are some mens issues which you cant talk about with out at the very least criticizing feminism. it just not possible. it why /r/feminismformen failed it why /r/menslib will fail. their are some mens issues where their is no way not to at very least criticize if not condemn feminism. about the most productive sub i have found has been /r/FeMRADebates which has it issues but it is by far the most productive sub for this sort of discussion. and even there where a full throated condemnation of feminism or at the very least feminist institution and journalism needs to be condemned cant be done because of the rules. hell the most toxic parts of feminism which are part of the main stream cant be condemned and they need to be. you can be glancing with you criticism but you cant cut to the core of the problem. I am of course speaking of the victim ideology the intersectional feminists seem to love. Its entirely .... no i said i wouldn't touch on that flame war here... go back and read my post on your victim mentality post. or read a street care named desire. either way my point will be made.

point is their are toxic part of feminism which feminism's reflexive defense mechanism isn't willing to excise and isn't willing to fully embrace. so instead it just looks really schizoid.

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The cafe thing has been resolved and would that feminist have dine any thing for men? doubt it. the cafe shelter is literally the only mens shelter in all of canada.

And as far cafe goes why dont you actually research whatthey are doing.

also what hate? pissed off divorce father being fucked by the system ? check. handful dude that have been through a college star chamber? check. people that have found a man IPVs shelter looks a lot by his car? check. fathers that have had their child support set above their income? check. people that have had to deal with feminist disinformation campaigns? check. but hate? naw go check rp or mgtow, that where you will find your next elliot rodgers. granted shit heeled media feminist still try and paint him as mra but any man a feminist doesn't like magically become and mra.

Now let run check list on feminism:

hate full article in the main stream press:

(you will need the mienkampf extension installed)

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/04/womens-rights-relationships/

(hey dont i hear form feminist how men have no right in the relationship? cant be some form of... female privilege )

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/02/160-examples-of-male-privilege/

(By these privilege list almost always seem to deemphaize women agency... guess that just my silly egalitarian brain talking)

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/04/attraction-desire-political/

(huh why do i feel like i just read gobbels piece on arian and jew dating)

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/03/maintaining-queer-id/

(ah yess identity politics because not looking queer enough in a het relationship is what matter not the downward pressure on wages and crumbling infrastructure. )

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/03/objectivity-can-be-oppressive/

(Ah yes i to find my self oppressed by reality)

A feminist body shaming un cut men

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKnjdwbmMdc&feature=youtu.be&t=30m40s

(i wonder what the reaction from feminist would be if men shame women for being uncut?)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/education/edlife/teaching-men-to-be-emotionally-honest.html

(let me guess i can be emotionally honest so long as those emotions aren't anger. )

feminist bigotry in action

http://www.inside-man.co.uk/2016/04/05/uk-institutionalised-sexism-issues-affecting-men-boys/

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2015/10/campus-judiciaries-on-trial-an-update-from-the-courts

http://www.saveservices.org/inclusive-vawa/resources/

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/womenonly-pink-carriages-idea-for-aussie-trains-causes-controversy/news-story/8377482b8b705dd2854a51d0eb0b7847

Huh why segregation such huge issues in the 60's it almost like feminism is advocating for institutionalized bigotry

Yeah thanks i'll stick to the group not trying to create to legally distinct classes

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thast mra that did that was earl silver man. and he hung him self after canada dicked around with him for four year while they batted him around like a birdie between the human rights council and and the national office of women. the former would say domestic violence falls under the ladder purview, the latter would say we only help women go talk to the former.

We need to change the culture first so we can lay down the the political fire to get politician to do more. right any politician that does any thing is going to get way to much political heat from feminist lobbies do do any thing effectively. essentially its this politics is down stream of culture.

this film will while being unbiased be important for changing the culture. its a major piece about the mrm which is out side of the feminist purview. which mean they cant do what they always do can conflate the mrm with puas or mgtow like the pack lying degenerates that they are.

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Title	The Red Pill Documentary
Author	JPDG
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Date	April 4, 2016 2:26 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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