My LTR of about six months recently told me that she needs to “take a break” from Christianity. Her being a believer was a prerequisite for us getting together. Before we met she hoed around a bit. The body count she told me is lower than mine but I have doubts she was honest. Since we’ve started dating she’s come really far with Christianity and even some redpill/rpw stuff. But now that she’s “taking a break,” and doesn’t seem remorseful, will she go back to being a hoe?
I’m thinking I’ll take time to work on myself and figure out an exit strategy. Also run dread. Recs for how to dread an ENTP 7w8 appreciated. What do you all think—is it time to next her?
[–]redwall929 points10 points11 points (3 children) | Copy Link
My wife "took a break from Christianity" a few years ago ... now she's full-on atheist or some other term .. maybe agnostic is what she calls herself. It varies.
Dude ... next. Be glad this happened now and not later after you had a few kids and life's hardships increase.
I have no clue what hardships have come into your LTR's life to make her rethink things in her life like Christianity. But I would say that getting married and having kids and hitching up to do life with her moving forward will only have more hardships and harder hardships come her way. And if you're hitched ... well, that means you'll get hit, too. And your kids.
My wife doubted Christianity back in our college days as well. I wish I would have nexted. Easy to say at this point. Sure ... I've got five great kids now with her, and we're still together. But it's true. I should have vetted better. Heck ... she should have vetted better, too!
No bueno IMO. Easy answer IMO.
[–]RemingtonSloan0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Maybe you guys need a deeper Christianity. I was doubtful until I started studying Orthodoxy. I'm assuming you're Evangelical-Protestants.
[–]Eminencemiddle0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Sounds as if gf could care less about a 'deeper Christianity'.
[–]RemingtonSloan0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe, but I was throwing away the faith because it was shallow until I learned it was just my tradition that was shallow.
I was an atheist in everything but name. Now, I've tasted honey when before I never knew there was anything so sweet.
[–]rocknrollchuckMod | 50M | Married 12 yrs8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You've been given a gift. Forget about dread. Next her and move on.
[–]BiggestThiccBoi8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
“Take a break from Christianity”
King, I think we all know where this is eventually going to
[–]RunawayGrain4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Jonah was told to go to Nineveh. He said "Y'know I'd really rather go to Tarshish." Apparently he needed a break, too. It didn't really turn out the way he planned.
I'd get out of the way before her big fish arrives and you wind up as collateral damage.
[–]Red-CuriousMod | 35M | Married 11 yrs3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
When I was in college I had the same prerequisite. There were girls who were hot and into me who offered to "convert" to Christianity for me. But I knew it would never be a genuine conversion if they were doing it for me. It sounds like you found the same thing: her conversion clearly wasn't genuine.
From a spiritual angle, it doesn't matter if "she will go back to being a hoe." Biblically, all non-Christians can do is sin. A "break from Christianity" means she's going back to being a non-Christian with the hope that Jesus will still take her back sometime before she dies, but only after she's had all her fun. That's playing games with Jesus, not authentic faith. If she really believed what the Bible says, she'd know that the lifestyle she wants to return to is like dipping her hand in acid. Nobody does that unless they're so mentally distorted (such as being on acid) that they literally cannot cognitively understand what they're doing. The simpler conclusion is that she doesn't actually believe her choices are anywhere as dangerous and destructive as they are. How can that be if she's been given a new heart and her eyes have been opened by the Spirit? Oh, it can't. So that must not have happened yet.
"Sorry, I don't date non-Christians." There, I figured it out for you.
Dread is best applied in marriage and LTRs. 6 months is hardly an LTR. You should still be in the NRE phase. No need for dread then. Not that it hurts to implement it anyway. It's just overkill. Better just being a high value man than worrying about her.
[–]SkimTheDrossEndorsed | 38M | Married 15 yrs2 points3 points4 points (2 children) | Copy Link
All you’ve shared is that she said she need to take a break from Christianity.
Not a lot of info. On its face, one could say she’s looking to branch swing. But, she could have been s__t testing you to see what you’re made of.
More important than her words - what have her actions told you since then?
[–]benjiii19950 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
If she is testing him, i would stil nope out of there. Just not a thing you should joke with. God comes first! A wife is only a gift
[–]Eminencemiddle0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
What kind of psycho jokes about taking a break from Christianity?? OP knows by now if she was testing him. AAMOF, I know it, myself: she isn't.
[–]coachdad82 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Start posting in OYS for more background and measure progress over time. Your situation isn't a one-time question and answer deal.
[–]Rifleshoot1 point2 points3 points (4 children) | Copy Link
You can’t “take a break” from Christianity. You are either a Christian, or you are not.
[–]redwall92-1 points0 points1 point (3 children) | Copy Link
While I love living in a black and white world like any other programming dude ... I gotta differ with you here. Find some grey man.
My kids are my kids. If one of them up and goes awol ... what am I going to do? Tell them they're not my kid anymore? Disown them? Sure ... I'll let consequences have they're way with my kids. I even bring artificial consequences to bear while they are under my roof.
BUT ... there's more to it then "You're in or you're out."
Sure ... I believe in a final "get out" or "come on in" one day at the end of all things. BUT ... in the here and the now ... I say find the grey.
However ... as far as OP is concerned ... I don't see a need to find the grey. NEXT and move on.
[–]Rifleshoot1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Someone who has truly accepted Christ CANNOT leave Christ. It is an impossibility. For someone to claim to have left the faith, it would mean that they never truly accepted Christ in the first place. There are many, many “believers” that have never accepted Christ. They believe in Christ, but they have never accepted him. They see Christ as a means of worldly gain and when it is no longer convenient, they cast Him aside. These people will claim to Christ on the day of Judgement that they believed, but Christ will tell them that He never knew them. This girl is one of those. She used Christ’s name and may have even believed Him to be the Son of God, but even Satan and his demons know that to be true. But they, like this girl, have never accepted Christ, have never put to death their sinful selves, have never truly repented. For a truly born again Christian, falling away is impossible.
[–]redwall920 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree with you.
However, if you'll see my other post on this thread ... maybe you'll hear why I push for some "find the grey."
I've been through some interesting times with my wife. I sat in a Session meeting at my church a couple years ago and had my Session tell me "We aren't her Session." It was a very black and white statement. And sure ... I think I agree with it. But I don't think it's helpful in the here and the now. I found that statement to be very hurtful in the moment. Even now ... there's pain from that statement.
So ... while I agree with you on a theological basis ... I'd still say push for some grey as far as our current experience goes on a personal level.
[–]Continuous-Metanoia1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree 100% with u/Rifleshoot. God is constantly calling His people to make a black and white choice, and that choice doesn't have any grey areas (a little leaven leavens the whole lump). When Adonai gives the law to His people, the essential covenant is this: "You have two options: death or life...so choose life!"
That same binary option is given in the new covenant: Repent and believe and receive eternal life or die in your sins and face eternal punishment...so choose to believe!"
I think you might be confusing backsliding with apostasy. We all backslide, but the mark of every true christian is the inevitable repentance that comes after.
[–]IsAllThisReal1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't think there is any question here about what you need to do.
She will either follow your spiritual leadership or she won't. Only the father can know and judge her heart, but there is no such thing as 'taking a break' from holy communion with the creator God. You are either in rebellion or you are in submission. I've been in both states, and there is no ambiguity. Everyone has doubts at some point, and everyone sins. Everyone fails in their faith, and in the same way faith grows, it can shrink and backslide. That is why we need to keep feeding our spirit man.
Discuss her issues in the faith with her. If you can bring her back to a genuine desire for submission to God, great. If not, what is there to say.
"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God." - Hebrews 10:26-27
[–]Billy_King1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Next her. I know it sucks but at least you are learning this now instead of after marrying her or something.
[–]Willow-girlParticipation Trophy Wife1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
My reply to this thread seems to have ended up on /r/asktrp, so I'll add a few words here. Christianity poses a unique challenge for women, because it includes some passages -- like "Obey your husband" and "Sit down and shut up in church" -- that probably aren't going to square with modern women's personalities unless they were raised in the church, and in a conservative denomiation at that!
Imagine you were applying for a job, and management told you, "Oh by the way, this is your boss, and you will be expected to obey his every directive without questioning anything. Also, you will not be allowed to speak up in company meetings. We expect you to sit quietly, and if you have any questions or thoughts about the topic at hand, you can bring them up privately with your boss after the meeting."
You'd probably go, "Wait wut?", amirite? Because this doesn't square with what people generally expect in modern culture. Almost no one, being told the above, is gonna go, "Great! When can I start?"
So these passages can be a stumbling block to a woman ... if she doesn't find a way to process them which make them palatable to her.
I'd be willing to bet this is exactly what is going on with your girlfriend. Does she have any wise older women who can guide her?
[–]Eminencemiddle0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I'd be willing to bet otherwise. She wants to be a Jezebel.
[–]Willow-girlParticipation Trophy Wife0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That's also a possibility. I've seen women who were raised in strict Christian homes decide to take a walk on the wild side in later life. It's the old FOMO-YOLO disease ...
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[–]Deep_StrengthMod | Married | deepstrength.wordpress.com7 points8 points9 points (1 child) | Copy Link
10/10 spiritual maturity but you're having pre-marital sex?
Come on man.
[–]Continuous-Metanoia3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This is a pretty big red flag, OP. Before you go seeking out how to be in a healthy relationship with a girl, you need to be in a healthy relationship with Christ.
Sounds like you were quite possibly the worst witness in her life. Her "taking a break from Christianity" sounds pretty reasonable, if the Christianity she's been receiving is the one you've been dishing up to her.
[–]Eminencemiddle0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
> Before we met she hoed around a bit. The body count she told me is lower than mine but I have doubts she was honest. Since we’ve started dating she’s come really far with Christianity and even some redpill/rpw stuff. But now that she’s “taking a break,” and doesn’t seem remorseful, will she go back to being a hoe?
Sounds as if she already has her new bf lined up. If I were you, I'd start looking for the RP prescribed "2 backups, minimum".