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[–]CoochQuarantine [score hidden] 9 years ago* stickied comment (0 children) | Copy Link
Hello I have locked this thread /u/mrppants.
various women here have given you advice that you are clearly not willing to hear and understand. The community here is built on tough love and we gave you a dose of that. You are not a regular contributor here and you are trying to tell US how to behave? Fuck off with all that noise. I suggest reading more about us and reading more threads to see how we operate.
Please reread all of the advice given already in this thread and try to internalize it for the sake of your marriage. Or don't.
[–]PhantomDream09 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I don't want to change my husband.
Unfortunately, this is a lie. True, you do not want to change his personality, or his efforts to be an engaging father and reliable provider. But you do want him to re-allocate his time and focus considerably into an area that he currently does not have any interest in. From your post, it sounds like this has never been something he's made time to do? Up until now it's more or less been his youth and good genes that have helped.
I'd also like to point out that you excuse your lack of needing to work out on your petite stature and personal luck. This is an attitude that doesn't help anyone. Do you have weight to lose? Your wording suggests that while you haven't gained as much when compared to your H, that you still have put on some weight. You then list your active child, and busy schedule as "valid" reasons why you don't exercise. Which is fine...except you previously listed your husband's schedule and more or less tried to make his obligations sound like 'invalid' reasons for wanting to relax/snack before bed.
The reality is, you are both busy, and you have both created a pattern that involves eating late at night and being less active than you probably should be.
Now, here's the really important part, and (in my opinion) the biggest issue. Exercise is great, I'm by no means saying that it isn't beneficial or important. But diet and what you eat is the main way people gain and lose weight. Now, there are lots of different approaches to diet (paleo, keto, vegan for example). I can't tell you what will work for you and your family. I can tell you that cutting out fast food, and eating homemade meals will be critically important.
There are prep subs that walk people through how to plan out meals for the week. All meals should come from home, and eating out shouldn't be entertained as an option for at least a month. It's such a big change from your normal routine, and it's going to add a lot to your plate. Here's the thing though - it always should have been on your plate. You say you aren't a great cook, and for the past 10 years it doesn't seem like you made any effort to learn.
You don't control what goes into ordered food, you don't know how much you're eating, or what's actually in the recipe. You are in full control of what food comes into the house. It's imperative that you make a drastic overhaul now, because you also need to think of the example you will be setting for your child.
Stop buying pre-packaged foods, snacks, chips, sodas, candies. Do your research, and buy a weighing scale for food. You need to put better food in everyone's belly 7 days a week. Your grocery bills will change quite a bit in all likelihood, but you'll also be eliminating all your fast food expenses.
Remember that this is not a temporary change, you need to change the way you and your family eats indefinitely. The goal is to never return to a place where you order out your meals more than maybe 1-2 times a month. That phase won't (should not) happen until you and your family have established a new routine of fully home-cooked meals every day of the week for at least 6 months.
Will this be easy for you? No. Will it require a great deal more effort on your part? Yes. Tell your husband that you are worried about the way the family as a whole eats. Admit that you have not made sufficient effort to provide better alternatives. You want to have family meals, and work on making better nutritional options for the both of you and your child. Do the research. It sounds like you don't know much about calories, fats, sugar, protein, or carbs - and how drastically different a take-out meal and a home-cooked meal of the same dish will vary in terms of nutrition.
You'll need to learn how to bulk buy, prep, and cook meals. I love big stores like Costco. You'll need to figure out a new budget most likely. In addition, you will need to find the time to pack his lunch every day.
My point is: there's so much that you haven't done to help this problem, and you are a long way from having to go to him and start creating a situation where this is solely his fault.
Always focus on what you can control. You can start working out more, cooking better food more frequently - all positive changes that won't disturb his normal patterns. They will however bump up his quality of life significantly.
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[–]CoochQuarantine 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I do NOT want to change my husband. I want to help him get to the point where he has the motivation to work on his health.
lol. do you not see that you are saying you want to change him??? Only he can change himself and motivate himself for weight loss. You just need to focus on you.
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[–]StingrayVC4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What can I do in this situation to gently lead him (and myself) into a healthier lifestyle?
This is the very definition of you wanting to change something about him.
Look, I understand that you love your husband and you are looking out for him. He's stated that he doesn't like this about himself and he wants to change, but he himself has not made the decision to do it for himself yet and you want to "lead" him to this decision. Not let him lead himself. This is the very essence of what people here are trying to tell you. He has to decide for himself to stop.
Can you inspire him? Absolutely, in all the ways you and people here have already stated. But you cannot make him do it. You cannot lead him to it. You can merely put the road in from of him by what you cook, how you shop and what you do yourself. He needs to make the decision to go down that road.
So, yes, you are trying to change him. Please try to get this into your mind because it's important. The road to hell and all of that.
So, how do you broach this with him? What every one had already said. Change yourself first and foremost. Cook healthy meals. Stock healthy things in the fridge. When he brings it up again how he wants to change his diet, you ask him, "What can I do to help you with this?" and then you do it.
Lastly, we aren't here to empathize with you. We each have our own way of communicating with users and it is not up to you to tell us how to do that. Some of us have been here for years and have seen posts with the exact same outline as what you put above. I love my husband and I don't want to change him, but . . . . how do I change him. We are here to help you (and some do that by empathizing and some with a kick in the pants), but do not tell us how to do that.
[–]TempestTcup1 point 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yeah, sweet-talking women into not being shrews never works.
[–]CoochQuarantine 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No. It is not your job to make him happy. It is your job to not make him unhappy. There is a difference. What you're doing is acting like his mom and taking responsibility for his weight. Knock that shit off. No one wants to be in a relationship or, for that matter, do better in their lives for their overbearing mommy/wife.
[–]PhantomDream09 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please be sure to listen to what /u/CoochQuarantine and /u/StingrayVC are saying when they state that you are trying to change him, just as I pointed out in my initial comment to you. The change you desire is a physical one, and it also requires behavioral shifts as well.
Focus on yourself, there is so much you have to start doing not only for your own well-being, but also for the well-being of your family. I cannot emphasize enough how important your eating habits will affect your child.
Not that this matters really, but I wanted to also clarify that I average a few pounds lighter than when we first got together.
If you're eating unhealthy food the majority of the time - you are unhealthy. Even if you can get away with it on the scale right now - you'll feel the affects as you age. Also, the childhood obesity rates today are staggering, and I hope you get tired of hearing this, but also that it sinks in: you want to be a good source of information and provide a great example for your child. Home cooked meals and prepping will actually save you money over the long term.
This is such an exciting new project for your to start! There are some really great sites, blogs, and subs on reddit that all deal with cooking and nutrition. Planning ahead will be vital.
Have you worked out a new shopping list yet? A new budget? Do you have 7 recipes to try out. If you plan ahead you can get enough of the same 5-6 things to create different meals. As others have pointed out, portion control and tracking calories will be really important.
I personally do keto and have experienced a tremendous amount of health benefits. That said, I know other ladies that follow paleo, we have some vegans, some are gluten free, and others don't follow any particular diet - they just know what their nutritional percentages are, and how much they should be eating.
I'd even say that for the first few weeks - don't burden yourself by obsessing too much over the nutritional side of things. Especially if it's stopping you from actually getting started. Fresh veggies and meats, good, natural fats (bacon, avocado etc), cut out sugars, and chips and sweets.
What did you make for dinner that he then had a sandwich 30 minutes later? Did he eat everything on his plate that you made? It could be he's simply overeating, or maybe he didn't like that meal. It's going to be a bit of trial and error to figure out what his favorite home-cooked dishes.
The point that you really need to drive home with yourself is that you cannot make him do anything. All you can do is provide (and prepare) better nutritional options, make positive changes yourself, and if he brings it up again - ask him specifically how he would like you to help.
[–]sunfloweriesLate 20s / Engaged / 3 Years8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This isn't your husband's problem. This is your problem right now.
So, here's something that people really don't understand sometimes. You can cut out take-out food and junk food all you want, but if you're still overeating the "good" foods you're cooking, you're doing yourself a disservice.
I cook every single meal in my home and generally from fresh, whole ingredients. I make my own tortillas, yogurt, sauces, dressings, bread, etc. I do this because I love food, I love cooking, I love learning new things, and because I have the time and energy to do it.
I'm still an obese porker. Why? Because even though all of the above paragraph is true, I still eat more calories than my body needs.
You don't have to be eating junk food and takeout to be eating too much food. Cutting out junk food isn't going to solve everything. You need to understand nutrition. You need to understand calories in vs. calories out.
What's been helpful for me? Having a food scale to weigh out my portions and the ingredients I use to cook. Logging my calories in MyFitnessPal. And most importantly, not lying to myself and making excuses.
You say you aren't a good cook, but all you really need to be one is the ability to follow directions, learn cooking techniques, and try.
Work on understanding good nutrition, healthy meals, and creating a balance in your life. When you provide these options for your family, it will make a long-term, lasting impact.
[–]Irisandoleander 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Repeat after me.
I can't change my husband. Nothing I do will make my husband change his behavior. My change in mind set can only change my own behavior because the person I control is me and only me.
This is YOUR problem. Not his. Work on yourself.
Also I have struggled with something similar and I wrote about it here: https://irisandoleander.wordpress.com/2016/03/25/if-he-complains-give-him-head/
[–]cats_or_get_out 5 points5 points5 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Fully agree. This could be a serenity prayer for some wives.
[–]Irisandoleander 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I gotta say it to myself more often then I am proud to admit.
[–]cats_or_get_out3 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You and me both! Hahaha
[–]cats_or_get_out 3 points3 points3 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This problem affects the entire family.
This may be true, but it is not yours to fix. The more you attempt to cajole, coax, encourage him, the more he will start to resent you. What women view as encouragement comes off as criticism to them. You're not his mom, and you have to let him solve his own problems.
Ask yourself what do you have control over? Focus on that. Everything else is folly.
[–]cats_or_get_out2 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Why do you think he overeats?
This is the core of the issue. He gets comfort from food. He gets the illusion of control from food.
He knows he's fat. He knows how you feel about it--I guarantee it. He gets no comfort from that knowledge. But he in spite of that, HE chooses--chooses--to overeat because that is HIS CHOICE, not yours.
Most of his waking hours aren't his own if he spends 50 hours a week working. He is working to build YOU up, to support his family. His autonomy is closely tied in to work and family duties, which means he has little in his life that feels like HIS. This isn't your fault. This is how many men feel.
He is looking to food for comfort. Food is his soft place to land. Instead of trying to control the food issue or "build him up," be HIS soft place to land. Be his comfort.
You can't fix or change that just like you can't fix or change an alcoholic. That is 100% HIS choice. For more information, read and learn about co-dependency and enabling behavior. You can't fix him, but you can work on you.
[–]Irisandoleander 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If she has control of the kitchen and the shopping list she has some control. Gotta really buckle down but at the same time she can't get mad when he picks up chips and snacks on them.
[–]Irisandoleander 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A problem that affects the whole family needs to be a problem you two tackle as a team. You gotta sit down and say what's on your mind in a clear and logical way. Have him help you come up with a solution. Phantom gave some awesome advice that should get you started.
But your attitude in the post is that of "my husband is awesome but". Drop the but. Tackle this problem with your awesome husband as a team.
[–]Icouldrun4smiles4 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
After reading all these comments, I definitely think it is worth a sit down discussion with your husband. Explain that you want to create a healthier lifestyle for the whole family by how you approach food. And since this issue is important to him, you two can discuss ways you both can improve. It doesn't have to be about his weight at all, just how you as a family do food.
[–]blushinglillyMarried 5 ys, Early 30s5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Fortunately, I am naturally petite and have never had to worry about my own weight but take out and lazing on the couch has not been good for either of us.
In my view there is not such a thing as naturally petite or thin or whatever. You are slim because you don't over eat, your husband is overweight because he does.
If he is not a fan of working out, why not encourage him to do some other sort of activity that is fun exercise instead? Perhaps something with your children?
Maybe you could also help him with portion control? That way he doesn't have to change what he eats, just how much. For example the snacking. It sounds to me like he is eating mindlessly and that he is not particularly attached to how much he eats. Perhaps if you could make him a nice plate of healthy snacks he would eat that instead? A handful of pretzels, some chopped up fruit with a few nuts, some crudités and a dip is not that high in calories if done carefully. Still tastes amazing and satisfying too.
If he works outside the home I'd think about trying to provide a low calorie but interesting lunch with a few snacks too.
Another thing to look at is whether or not he is getting enough sleep, as it's when we are sleep deprived that we tend to turn to high calorie foods to get us through the slump. If he isn't getting enough sleep is there anything you can do to help that?
[–]littleeggwyfEarly 30s, Married, 10 years total1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I try not to nag him to come to bed when he stays up late to veg out but we need to find a way to get him enough rest
This is kind of something me and my husband had to work out. He needs less sleep than me, so would sometimes stay up reading or on the computer and get overtired especially when we had a baby. Try to give him more time to relax earlier, maybe?
Evenings can kind of slip away with getting kids to bed and cooking and stuff so the staying up might be avoidable if you share jobs differently?
Also, flirting is pretty good for getting hubs to put down work or whatever and come to bed, and sex is a great way for him to relax. (I'm such a dork, i rewrote that like 5 times, we both have kids, we both know what sex is and how it works!)
[–]HappyWifeLifeX 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Yes you do, you explained how and why quite thoroughly.
You also admitted your side of the issue and excused yourself for not being perfect. Now you can excuse him for not being perfect also. He will do something about himself if or when he wants to. He will take a lot longer to truly want to if you nag at him, no matter how subtly.
Cook good food and be a kind person - the end.
[–]Irisandoleander 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You ... excused yourself for not being perfect. Now you can excuse him for not being perfect also.
This this this! This is really hard for a lot of women. I'm so glad you pointed it out. Ooh I could find ways to include this in my own daily mantra.
[–]HappyWifeLifeX 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeesh?
I would also appreciate, and most would agree with me here, a kinder and more empathetic approach.
Ah, tone policing.
"Be nice to me and pat me on the head while telling me the hard truths!"
[–]Aitikulta 3 points3 points3 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm not sure what your schedules are like or where you live but what about going out all together as a family to do something active? Like start with walks around the neighborhood for fresh air with your child and then gradually up to hikes in a local forest/wooded area. If you have a trampoline park nearby, or a YMCA go for a family swim. It's good for all of you and it's a fun and healthy way to relax all together.
We live up north but we love going for walks, hikes, to the beach in the summer, and skating. Everyone is having fun and there's no nagging.
[–]xBreakFreex25, With The One1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
First off if he does home improvement work thats exercise. if his work is also labour heavy then that too would be working off the calories. Continue doing what you are doing. Be prepared with food. Maybe meal-prep his food for the week so he can take meals and snack with him. Have dinner ready when he gets home as well as healthy snacks. Do NOT keep bad items in the house. Obviously he may go out of his way to buy junk food, and you can't control that. Do your best and see how you go.
[–]Goingdowntheroad 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If she is really struggling to be physically attracted to him, wouldn't it be better to tell him something? I mean, obviously say it in a respectful way. But if she's not attracted to her man because of all the weight he's gained seems to me that's something he'd want to know, and fix. Just a thought.
[–]CoochQuarantine 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hi New user. Please read this
https://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWives/wiki/respect
We don't know you so asking people to DM you isn't going to fly around here. This thread was deleted by the OP so it may not be so relevant now but for future posting please keep in mind that we are trying to promote a safe internet culture here and that excludes asking strangers to DM you.
Thanks
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