Aesthetics>Game

Flaerndep · 2017-12-24T17:31:13+00:00

Aesthetics are one part of the equation. It's good to be proud of your accomplishments, and everybody should do what works for them. But if you try to pretend that YOUR way is the ONLY way or the BEST way or then basically you're a fucking idiot. Or maybe scrawny, ugly men who are powerful or rich or talented or have a great personality or great game never get hot women Oh wait that's not reality. So sad is right.

One shouldn't ignore aesthetics (because if you do, then no matter what you could be doing better,) is sound advice. If you don't want to work on other aspect of attraction, then aesthetics will still go a long fucking way is still reasonable advice. Aesthetics is greater than game is retarded advice, that has nothing to evidence-based assessment of the situation. And frankly, when it comes with a load of horseshit self-ego-stroking wannabe-hardass prescriptive bullshit, it isn't really advice anymore, it's just posturing.

You say you "treat them like little girls" "don't date, don't wine and dine" are "sure of yourself" and imply that you indeed have "pure, unbridled, delusional cockiness" Great, congratulations. That's game.

So, good on you for having the body of a god, perhaps now work on having the mind of one. You might find that that also works wonders, particularly in getting with women who are not only hot but indeed have other qualities that might make them interesting for reasons besides being an aesthetically attractive biological support system for a series of warm holes. Or not; I am absolutely not telling you your way doesn't work for you, and yes I am happy for you if your rocking bod gets you women with rocking bods, may you long enjoy them, you've earned it.

However, your thesis is retarded; because rich / talented / suave men men being with women who are way physically hotter than them, has been, is, and will always verifiably be a thing. Trying to countersay that, only makes it appear that your muscles, while admirable, are the only thing filling your head. This is not redpill advice. It is narcissism. Save it for the ladies, please, unless you are trying to pick us up.

tldr;

Aesthetics are powerful. Lifting is important for more reasons than aesthetics.
Frame works whether you can back it up with external validation or not, that's why it's called frame.
If you came here with THE ANSWER, you are trying to reinvent Redpill. Redpill is already complete. It is a toolkit. Claiming the hammer is better than the screwdriver makes you look like an idiot. If you are hammer god, then the only thing that tells you is you need to investigate the screwdriver and spanner tools to see where you could improve. Read the fucking sidebar, you are not going to invalidate game by saying you get a lot of pussy by being swole. That being swole works is not news.
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mental_models · 2017-12-24T18:05:45+00:00

neither is better

Aesthetics = Consistent pussy, with inconsistent overall strategy.

Game = Inconsistent pussy, with consistent overall strategy.

BOTH have limiting factors.

When combined properly, the limiting factors offset, and then you are high SMV.

prodigy2throw · 2017-12-26T07:34:50+00:00

My advice to the non lifters who are trying to swallow TRP is always to be realistic about your genetic peak and what exactly you can hit looks wise by lifting. Fact of the matter is some guys just don’t have the genetics to become swole and it becomes more worth it for them to focus on style, hygiene, grooming and game.

For me, I know my genetic limit and until I get on the juice I’ve focussed on my style and game to put me over.

We all go through this journey in different ways and one of the biggest pills here is knowing sometimes you just ain’t gonna be Chad looks but you can get laid in other ways

ihavetitaniumarms · 2017-12-24T21:19:46+00:00

I'm going to need pics and proof you have a job. Otherwise I'm going to assume you are a 17 year old scrawny troll that likes to pretend this is who he is on the internet...

campa56la · 2017-12-25T22:31:07+00:00

You earn the look and it feels good. You look good, you play good simple as that. Don't doubt it. Aesthetics is for yourself more than anything. It builds abundance and you stop giving a fuck about girls that don't recognize your value. That's game in and of itself. Game cannot improve your appearance, your appearance will definitely raise your game up. So which is more valuable?

Snarky_Mark_jr · 2017-12-25T19:07:27+00:00

The Dumpster Diving Connoisseur approach - pass.

OSaraiva · 2017-12-26T14:44:36+00:00

Looks like someone started going to a gym and got laid yesterday. Good on you.

notonlyplace · 2017-12-26T21:22:57+00:00

When I was skinny , I once got a girl to my hotel room with game, She looked at me and said she is stronger than me and challenge me to a arm wrestling match.

I lost, we still fucked, game works, looks work, putting them together means you're a walking god

ozaku7 · 2017-12-25T22:22:22+00:00

My god, women like something visual too? Who would have thought, in a world full of men that look like milk cartons and fish-sticks? Women are born feminine, men need to build their masculinity through hard physical training. Okay, most women aren't born that way, some keep a diet and some get fat, stay fat or get on a diet to lose that weight. Bottom line is that women need fat in the right places to be attractive, we need to be dry and full of muscles which takes an exponential amount of effort than they are doing.

Which is exactly why it's so good, because that man is also exponentially more valuable.

dumbkidaccount · 2017-12-25T09:10:29+00:00

Body of a god lol Ok buddy

kkri3 · 2017-12-25T14:37:57+00:00

If you look like a Greek god even hetero guys will want to suck your dick, not just women, there's nothing new about that. For 99.99% of the population that's not the reality, and most of us look average. You can lift, take care of your personal hygiene, dress nicely to make yourself slightly above average. You still have considerable competition at this point, that's why your game can make the difference between the girl wanting you as her ”””friend””” or her wanting to be your fucktoy. The greater you look the less you will need to rely on your game, but you will definitely need it at some point unless you are content fucking 2-3 values down the SMV ladder.

justasking11trp · 2017-12-25T03:01:27+00:00

Idk if I'd cause I'm young but in college its who I'd best looking. To me the better looking you are the less game you need. Girls want to show their friend the hot guy that's fucking them so they would over look other stuff for the good looking guy.

iknowthewhey · 2017-12-25T15:42:35+00:00

While I agree aesthetics are the most important thing in attracting a girl, a good looking beta is still a beta. Additionally, an attitude of cockiness and arrogance is good for attracting girls, especially cluster b girls, but not great for keeping them around once they see through your fake confidence.

Yanlii · 2017-12-25T20:38:33+00:00

Drop your ideals drop your morals and go get some pussy.

Everyone here is working out. Unless you have exceptional face then your muscles won't do much.

suske127 · 2017-12-26T02:34:29+00:00

Half of PUA is "be confident as fuck" which it seems you are and if you have the body you say you have, I'm sure you do have girls flocking to ya. Glad for ya brother

campa56la · 2017-12-24T19:22:40+00:00

I disagree. Aesthetics are fundamental in attraction. They represent genes that are naturally selected.

They also endow confidence which further attracts as self-esteem is inherently attractive.

I simplified because I want to emphasize that it is a simple concept. It is complicated but comes to the same conclusion.

JamesSkepp · 2017-12-24T19:25:10+00:00

Aesthetics beats the dogshit out of PUA. Now you might not be attracting nines and tens.

And there we have it, you gotta have your game tight if you want hottest girls, b/c for hottest girls guys that are "fun and good looking" are bread and butter of every party they are invited to.

Blackhawk2479 · 2017-12-25T01:23:57+00:00

There seems to be a lot of “aesthetics uber alles” posts bubbling up to the surface again lately.

I can’t help but feel they reek of insecurity - hot guy comes on here and tries to tell everyone that they are wasting their time with game/lifting/whatever because looks trump it all.

Who are you trying to convince buddy?

Also, it’s worth mentioning again: looking good is not the same as being good looking. The former is much more noticeable to girls than the latter.

Revo_Luzione · 2017-12-24T19:15:21+00:00

This is oversimplistic. There are men with great aesthetics who have poor game, and they suffer as a result.

Dating & sex isn't just about attraction. Other important aspects include qualification, dominance, mastery, comfort, and sexual ability.

And Attraction isn't just about aesthetics. It includes aspects of the above, particularly dominance (frame control).

And saying "lower your standards" is just admitting you don't have game. Game really is the ability for men to get with women that are consistently higher in perceived SMV.

campa56la · 2017-12-25T19:39:46+00:00

If you're only going for 9s and 10s you're missing out on some good pussy. Their face doesn't matter to me when I'm smashing out.

redd_reality · 2017-12-25T19:21:54+00:00

Aesthetics>game

The primary reason for this is actually:

Meeting your own needs>convincing a girl you've met your own needs.

Aessethics is the result of engaging in a self development process for years.

Your ducks are in a row and it shows.

Game is an attempt to convince a girl your ducks are in a row.

If you've spent years getting them in a row, you have to work a lot less to convince a girl they're all lined up.

campa56la · 2017-12-27T02:30:46+00:00

If you're spending that amount of time in the gym and you still look like a regular guy, then you're doing something wrong. It's not all lifting either. It's style, it's your swag. It's the way that you separate yourself from the pack.

SocietalEngineering · 2017-12-26T16:10:41+00:00

Game beats aesthetics every fucking day because aesthetics is largely based on GENETICS which are unchangeable. Anyone can learn game. Very few can attract based on looks alone, and those who can didn't earn it.

I've spent half my life in the gym, and I just look like a regular guy. I'm fairly low body fat, but nothing out of the ordinary. The 10,000 hours in the gym probably would have been much better spent learning game. To be quite honest.

Harry_Wangs · 2017-12-25T18:56:33+00:00

You seem to think aesthetics = good genes while forgetting about one of the most important genetic traits: intelligence and leadership.

Women don't get wet over calculus, but they do get wet when they see you can hold your own against the best. I just graduated undergrad, make good money for someone with no work experience (maybe around 100k net), but my bosses are ballers that can pull in over 1M a year. Some are only in their early/mid 30s too pulling in this money. My female colleagues become attracted when they see I can convey my thoughts, push my ideas, and speak as an equal to these men making 10X my salary. My company tends to mainly hire good looking men and women, so the average is probably 6/7. The average height of the guys is probably like 6'-6'1" with me being the shortest, even though I'm good looking too. Most come from good families, very expensive schools, some ivy leagues etc.. But they don't have the frame that I have. Women see the "Chad" crumble when they talk to these execs.

Good looking men can look like little boys and feel so small when they are in a room of CEOs and corporate executives pulling in 1M+ each/year. That is not good genetics. Intelligence and frame rule in this scenario.

Its just that aesthetics is something you can demonstrate more easily, but I would argue intelligence and frame are more powerful. The ideal is to have both and it is just plan stupid to create this false dichotomy.

Aesthetics>Game

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"If you look like a Greek god even hetero guys will want to suck your dick"

Title	Aesthetics>Game
Author	campa56la
Upvotes	58
Comments	44
Date	December 24, 2017 3:51 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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