Don't let your identity become consumed by The Red Pill

TheDialecticParadox · 2015-07-04T08:44:54+00:00

Good post. This is quite relevant.

TRP is not a life guide. It doesn't promise the answers to every possible shit test, or cheat codes to a 450k annual income, or even the best car to drive.

This is what I love about TRP. It is genuine. Every other product out there I've willingly consumed: Feminism, PUA, RSD, they were all that.

Products.

TRP is a community of real people trying to help each other become better men, without a hidden agenda.

It's a philosophy and nothing more.

Imitators, wanna-be Alpha's and Placebo RP'ers, the ones that don't look at the philosophy and sit down and educate themselves, the ones that skim a few articles, go out and treat some girl like shit and then wonder why they aren't magically getting pussy overnight sicken me and shouldn't be a part of this community.

heeeeeeeeheeeeeeeeee · 2015-07-04T07:45:18+00:00

Good post. TRP isn't a comprehensive philosophy. It's just a male space that rejects egalitarianism and female entitlement mentality.

I take more from yoga, meditation, and eastern philosophy than I do from TRP. For me TRP is not a holistic enterprise but a cheat-sheet for dealing with the opposite sex.

If I want to think about my life, I think in terms much larger than TRP. If I want to think about women and sex, which represents only a portion of my life, I think in terms of TRP.

thenowhereman36 · 2015-07-04T12:53:34+00:00

TRP changed me. It changed me for the better in so many ways. When I first found TRP, I was just looking for a way to fuck hot chicks. But after spending enough time on here, I started lifting, something I'd always wanted to do but never really got the motivation to do before. I started opening my mind and my eyes more than they had ever been opened before. And most importantly, I stopped giving a fuck about fucking hot chicks and instead started giving fucks only about maxing out me for me.

I did have some times where I felt like I had to become a douche bag bro, get huge, maybe get a tattoo, just to fuck hot chicks, but I made it past that, and hopefully other newbies will too.

amotg · 2015-07-04T08:15:53+00:00

This is amazing post and it really rings true to me. This is very important and I would even suggest this to be put in the sidebar.

Whether we want to admit it or not, our community here fulfills more than one of the characteristics of a cult. TRP is not a cult, obviously, but a cult and TRP have things in common. It is important to realize this and not have a long sequence of 1s and 0s define yourself. I think it is very easy for impressionable young men to find TRP for whatever reason and be consumed by it. We advocate going to the gym every day, improving style/dressing better, essentially changing/improving everything that a typical man is, on the outside, on the inside, everything. Having your post as required reading could help keep things in perspective and prevent people from defining themselves as a "redpiller" or part of a secret club, which, in my opinion, is a bad thing.

pilledwillingly · 2015-07-04T07:21:41+00:00

You've kinda got a point, but I don't think the stereotype is as bad as you think. Maybe outside of TRP the members are viewed as skeevy PUA/MRA/Alphabro, but in here I think we're mostly pretty cool who have just been burned. I play Dungeons and Dragons, I drive an i30, I think that men are more likely to cheat than women, I think there's a lot more to these field reports than "OMG AWALT" Because my personal experience has shown plenty of women with motives outside of AF/BB, and depth beyond that of a lot of men I've met. I'm different, you're different, it's a collective, not a hive. This place is about self improvement and self-preservation, I don't think you can pin us to one stereotype.

Jax-T · 2015-07-04T11:50:08+00:00

That was the best lecture I have ever had in recent years. You inspired me man, thanks for sharing your opinion out.

kirby987 · 2015-07-04T13:59:05+00:00

yup, you basically nailed what ive already been thinking. great post

Limekill · 2015-07-04T14:02:32+00:00

Nicely said.

YOUR goals are more important than anything.

+1.

aa223 · 2015-07-04T16:12:25+00:00

To me it would be really damn stupid if TRP was everything that I am. This subreddit and these concepts are merely an extension to being the person I want to be. TRP is only a stepping stone to something much more grand. What that something is will be up to the individual and it will be different for everyone.

TRP is great and all but like any pill, it is stupid and irresponsible to overdose.

guysir · 2015-07-04T16:43:27+00:00

Archive/mirror, since this post was deleted: https://archive.is/mqDyT

2015-07-04T14:35:53+00:00

This post is too poorly written to be sidebared (no offense) but the idea is worth being side barred. One would only need to refine the thinking here and maybe add one or two things.

redpillshadow · 2015-07-04T15:36:16+00:00

91% Upvotes - Why?

TL;DR- Your life and personality should be more unique than just being "alpha" or fucking lots of slutty women. TRP is a resource, not a label. You shouldn't think of yourself as a "redpiller" the same way a woman thinks of herself as a feminist.

Shame tactics against alphas. Implying NAWALT by separating slutty women from women. Drawing an equivalent between feminism and redpill.

That TL;DR should already be enough to downvote the post.

Maximizing your best traits through the frame of TRP, getting steady sex, and accomplishing your life's goals will make you happy.
DO NOT FUCKING SACRIFICE YOUR DREAMS TO BECOME SOMEONE YOU ARE NOT. That isn't alpha, that's uncanny valley beta territory.

Rewording of be yourself. A typical blue pill mantra. Horrible advice for anger stage people. What they are is blue pill, what their dreams are is blue pill, how they see the world is blue pill. That advice will push them back. That advice will be used to rationalize bad habits.

You need to become an interesting, fulfilled person.
You also need to be finding your purpose in life and walking that path, or you're only doing half the equation.

Direct contradiction to the above.

The lesson here is that TRP won't make you a unique, fulfilled human being on its own. YOU need to figure out who you are and THEN apply the principles.

The lesson then drives it home even more that OP doesn't want to help you. He wants you to do nothing. To rationalize doing nothing. Red pill says go fucking lift cause it changes your hormone level. OP says "find out who you are first". And he emphasizes first. It's a horrible idea and it is blue.

reported to the mods so they can look into where the upvotes are coming from. The replies are suspicious.

Good post. This is quite relevant.

This is amazing post and it really rings true to me. This is very important and I would even suggest this to be put in the sidebar.

Good post. TRP isn't a comprehensive philosophy. It's just a male space that rejects egalitarianism and female entitlement mentality.

I take more from yoga, meditation, and eastern philosophy than I do from TRP. For me TRP is not a holistic enterprise but a cheat-sheet for dealing with the opposite sex.

Ridiculous. That was not written by someone who has read the sidebar.

That was the best lecture I have ever had in recent years. You inspired me man, thanks for sharing your opinion out.

yup, you basically nailed what ive already been thinking. great post

Those answer show that it is a feel good post. It doesn't share a truth. It shares a sentiment which feels good to anger phase people. It is not red pill.

metalhead4 · 2015-07-04T08:59:33+00:00

I link my self worth to more or less trying to have sex with women. I'm slowly turning this around and realizing my weaknesses and why people like me and trying to focus on that.

Deevoid · 2015-07-04T09:26:19+00:00

Great post. Really focusses what's important about TRP.

silvertongue35 · 2015-07-04T09:46:08+00:00

I agree with the basic concept you presented. What if I told you that I not only learn from The Red Pill, but also from Red Pill Women as well? Or that I also look at the seduction sub as well?

I am one of those people that think that you can take something of value from other ways of thinking and doing things and make those your own.

Think of the world as a mosiac, and you have your own blank canvas.

You can be motherfuckin Picasso, why not? Paint your own masterpiece using the palette of The Other.

2015-07-04T14:31:36+00:00

During my quest towards improvement, I decided to stop listening to music. It's wasted time.

I've never been that miserable. I'm a musician. I began playing an instrument at 5 and never stopped since then. Music is not very TRP (I usually spend hours doing nothing but listening) but it is needed to keep me sane.

DotishGuy · 2015-07-04T16:38:54+00:00

By letting the red pill consume you, means making it the norm like a blue pill.

Just as how a blue piller only sees a blue pill world. One consumed by the red pill only sees the red pill world.

We should exist between both so we can see a contrast.

dive_bomber · 2015-07-04T09:15:50+00:00

I don't associate myself with any groups, I don't give a flying fuck about being "a real man" or "redpiller", whoever the fuck are those. I only value individuals and individuality. I noticed, back when I was still a little kid, that people change a lot when they form groups. I could be totally ok with someone one on one and have fun, but the moment he's in a group, it all changes, he's no longer the same person.

George Carlin said it best.

zuchit · 2015-07-04T16:31:37+00:00

Someone had to post this. This sub was kind of turning into womenhate in some way with some guys advising never getting married and so.

Get married only if you know how to keep a women with you.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-07-04T11:58:29+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uSuwYcqSsY

Alexandr Dugin / "To American friends: common struggle"

The Russians are very aware of Western degeneracy.

Your identity should be based in something real. Your ancestry. Your family. Your hometown. Your elementary school. Your chosen friends. Your body. Your sex.

The global elites that are pushing the Feminist agenda ultimately want to erase all identity that is based in nature and replace it with an identity that is useful for their purposes. (making us all sacrificial beta slaves)

Everyone ought to invest some time into the video. (27 minutes)

Red Pill is mostly about rediscovering the masculine and this is always something found in relation to natural hierarchy. The individual as a concept actually breaks down your natural identity.

Red Pill restores natural identity.

BurgundyCarpet · 2015-07-04T14:11:27+00:00

I disagree with this post. The reason is that you do a whole lot of shaming of some made-up personifications of TRP ideas, and then you do nothing to define what exactly constitutes an "interesting fulfilled person" like you're recommending people become.

The only example you give of a "Positive Identity" is Picasso, who was a deranged little bitch. The guy only cared about acquiring social capital. He stole Cubism from his roommate Braques in order to further his little quest for status. I don't think Picasso had a single happy day on this earth. I wouldn't live his life if you paid me.

That isn't alpha, that's uncanny valley beta territory.

The "uncanny valley between beta and alpha" is perhaps the stupidest meme that has ever spread on TRP. It doesn't exist and the very idea is harmful. The reality is that most Betas who start asserting themselves will immediately experience positive results. There is no "Uncanny Valley," just a long but very doable upward climb from Beta to Alpha.

The idea of the "Uncanny Valley" is fearmongering to make men scared of asserting themselves. It would be one thing if you spoke of the importance of congruency/alignment, but you're not doing that. You're shaming men who lack congruency/alignment. And that is a shitty rhetorical strategy.

You also need to be finding your purpose in life and walking that path, or you're only doing half the equation.

LOL bro, are you still plugged in or something? Newsflash: Nobody has a purpose. Trying to find it is a fool's errand. Reading posts on here and lifting weights tho? That is pretty smart.

Do not mistake TRP for an identity, it is a resource.

It's whatever you want it to be. Adult game does not require you to have a strong identity – quite the contrary. I have found that the less identity I have, the tighter my game becomes.

Nature abhors a vacuum. When you let go of all your ideas about "identity" and allow yourself, like water, to fill the shape of whatever Alpha Archetype your woman prefers, that is by far the most successful game strategy I have ever found. Not only do you NOT NEED an identity to be sexually successful, often, an identity gets in the way of sexual success.

I'm sure this post is well-intentioned but I don't like it because you do a ton of shaming and almost zero explaining or modeling excellence.

Smitty6 · 2015-07-04T16:37:56+00:00

TRP is a model. It's a tool to help you have better relationships with women and the world around you. It's not a identity to become. I also don't find it something you should believe is 100% truth.

What is true is that men should never stop improving themselves. That they should never take shit from people. That they should live their life on their terms. Groupthink is the big problem in the world. Let's not make TRP another form of groupthink.

RP_WIP · 2015-07-04T17:37:48+00:00

The up votes and positive comments show exactly how men crave the blue pill and how easy it is hamster away TRP with a feminine imperative disguised as a sort of 'tough love.'

Frame > Game > Physique Hierarchy of male SMV. When you realize this, you realize your post is meaningless.

Shaming a physically built man for wearing a tight shirt is like shaming a company for advertising their product. It is illogical and points to your incompetence in business (sexual market)

Do not fall for this guys. Pull back the blue pill veil that is your feels and look at this from a rational, logical male perspective. Hold Frame, approach women, and keep lifting.

2015-07-04T09:19:39+00:00

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AtillaTheTough · 2015-07-04T09:43:10+00:00

This is a great way for women to weaken male spaces. "Oh don't take yourself too seriously you need to not be obsessed with this kind of stuff it's unhealthy" Which is true and not said in an aggressive way. Which is precisely why it is so effective/dangerous at dismantling those male spaces.

zaiguy · 2015-07-04T15:25:30+00:00

This is one of the best posts on here. With the the Reddit Revolt shitstorm unfolding, it's refreshing to come across a post that speaks with reason and logic. This is why I love trp!

fap_the_pain_away · 2015-07-04T12:19:17+00:00

Painfap's Law: Any time a person claims lack of height is a conquerable barrier for dating hypergamous women (in an alpha fucks role), he or she will use examples of rich famous millionaires as the argument.

Braaaaaapp · 2015-07-04T15:42:26+00:00

This actually explains a lot. There was a guy I knew in school that looked like a model, very charismatic, etc. but trying to connect with him was nearly impossible because his only interests were going out to the club or bars every weekend or even during the week sometimes, and it made it very hard to find common interests with him. Life seems like it would be bland if you spent all your money and energy chasing pussy.

Title	Don't let your identity become consumed by The Red Pill
Author	moose_war
Upvotes	299
Comments	72
Date	July 4, 2015 6:42 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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