Ghosting (MGTOW) vs. swallowing The Red Pill

Judasace · 2015-01-08T16:41:37+00:00

Do what makes you happy. You get exactly one go-round, don't waste it trying to live up to someone else's ideals or expectations. Live your life for you.

RedPope · 2015-01-08T01:47:48+00:00

Yes, we all felt that way. Depression is one of the 5 stages of swallowing the red pill.

/r/TheRedPill/comments/1x0gln/the_five_stages_of_red_pill_and_how_to_read_rtrp/

My advice: Don't drop out (MGTOW) before you make an honest and sincere attempt at applying TRP.

Learn - Read the sidebar. Read the top "RP Theory" posts. Ignore the anti-feminist stuff. Ignore rants and bluepill examples.
Lift - Put 3 solid months in the gym. You will see results. You can do any beginner program, but honestly, so long as you commit to a routine, you will see gains. Don't spend time researching fitness, spend time getting fit.
Approach - Start talking to strangers. Women, men, old, young, ugly, attractive. Everyone. You're building social skill and training yourself not to fear rejection.

Dedicate the next three months to these three priorities. You will see significant improvements in your life. You'll be past the Depression stage and can then make your life plan with a clear head.

Has anyone cone so far from being beta that they can honestly tell me that the journey is possible and worth it?

/r/ThankTRP is full of success stories.

MGTOW_player · 2015-01-08T03:36:53+00:00

MGTOW is very red pill. Don't conflate the terms TRP with red pill. TRP is a group defined by activity in a subreddit. Red pill is a mindset most in the manosphere share, with NAWALT/AWALT being the biggest dividing line between "purple" and red pill/MGTOW mindsets. These are all just subjective semantics, ultimately. Don't lose sleep over terms ;)

If you want to learn game and deal with the bullshit in Western women, feel free. If you want to sit out gaming and dealing with Western women, feel free.

Having tried the three common options for sexual strategy in my short life: successfully gaming many hot girls (in college mostly), "ghosting" (not trying at all or searching for pussy), and prostitution in third-world countries, I realize there are positives and negatives in all scenarios.

You may want to try them all. Or not.

Everyone's results are different in this grand experiment of life. I will say, however, banging a bus load of hot whores in Thailand really chilled me out as far as desiring women period, especially Western women. I feel more sexually free than I ever have. Never have I truly been able to say with confidence, "I can take it or leave it" while not putting up with any bullshit for over a week since I hit puberty (still in 20s).

Regardless, I hope you and everyone find that situation that allows you to honestly be okay with not needing to even pay attention to gorgeous women. Ghosting and gaming in the West did not give me that. Foreign prostitution did.

ETH_Zurich · 2015-01-09T05:20:20+00:00

I'm actually on the fence about this. I've been internalizing red pill truths and have read theory extensively, but I have yet to really start practicing. One thing that's really holding me back is the anger phase. It's really strong and oftentimes, I will lash out at the people I care about most. Other than the occasional sex, there is no reason for me to be in an LTR or even get married. I might just spin plates long term. Unfortunately, I come from a culture where I will be expected to eventually conform.

MGTOW sounds sooo much easier and less of a hassle. I can focus on school and my pursuits, perhaps go full monk, maybe lift a bit, and not even concern myself wit approaching. I'm a fairly unconventional person (which I'll post about later) and my experiences have led me to a crossroad, where I really HAVE to decide to path I'll take. Like other posters said here, I don't have to do shit and it's my life. Women are not worth the hassle.

TekkomanKingz · 2015-01-08T01:50:27+00:00

Do what I did, I didn't spend too much time spinning plates I found myself a wholesome foreign born girl and as I look at what's available around me I am not missing out on anything at all. So much more money in my pocket for my supplement addiction and getting in good shape, drinking less. I can't complain about much these days.

LoyalLuBu · 2015-01-08T02:55:17+00:00

I'm not particularly fond of trying to make a whole bunch of money just to live how I want finally.

Why not? I have a solid job that I enjoy somewhat, and it pays well enough to allow me to accumulate wealth. Eventually I'll have enough money to be completely free to do whatever I want without the 50+ hour workweek.

If you have to have a job to get by, then you might as well earn a lot and put that money to good use (e.g. early financial independence). As a man, you do need a job to get by, unless you're okay with living like a leech while on welfare.

Ibex3D · 2015-01-08T07:49:43+00:00

I'm fairly new here(2 months) and get what you're saying. I already think I'm the best thing ever and I'm a fat nerd. To put all that effort in to lose weight, get big, and all the rest just to fuck some wanna be princess 6 who thinks she's a 9 seems not worth it. So I'm not doing that. But I am lifting and dieting so that I can do the things I want to. I always wanted to learn a Martial art so I'm taking up MMA after I get used to my new school schedule. I've always wanted to learn how to sword fight with a long sword(I love LotR). I just opened up the package that had my practice swords and medieval fencing books. I love film, so I'm teaching myself to make movies. I always dreamed of being an astronomer or particle physicist so I'm changing course next year and getting a STEM degree. None of this is for women. If I fuck some women on the way(and I intend to) well then great but it's not for that. I am doing this for me because these are the things I love and want to spend my life doing. I've adapted the red pill attitude even though I'm not doing it for women and not even trying to get plates yet but it helps. People respect you more. MGTOW and TRP are not exclusive. Take these lessons to heart no matter what path you take. They only help. Improve yourself for you. As someone who is down from 375lbs to 272, I can tell you that there is nothing better than realizing how much better your life is because of some hard work and dedication you put it. When I go to the gym, it's so I can get in the ring one day. When I read up on physics, it's to satisfy my curiosity. When I pick up a sword, it's to live out one of my fantasies. Only ever do improve yourself for yourself. Be fulfilled and the women will come(you need to do some game obviously but don't chase them) and if they don't, who fucking cares? I'm no RP expert but I know what it's like to look at yourself in the mirror and know you're better than you were a year ago. Do not give up any of the lessons here(self-improvement, alpha traits, etc.), even if you decide to go your own way. People will respect you more and you will respect yourself more.

weirdinternetstalker · 2015-01-07T23:55:17+00:00

“Nothing in the world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty… I have never in my life envied a human being who led an easy life. I have envied a great many people who led difficult lives and led them well.” ― Theodore Roosevelt

That is one of my favorite quotes, and I think about it when I feel down. Who would you admire more, a you felt helpless and gave up, or a you that never quits? I know which version of me I want to be, I am not there yet, maybe I will never be, but I will never allow myself to give up.

Radox_Redux · 2015-01-08T00:47:20+00:00

So, owing to my life experiences, which are my own, and being a pretty introverted guy........

This sounds like low self-esteem kicking you in the balls. The point is that as a man, you will 'want' to do this stuff, when you get to the point that you're receiving positive feedback (this is what first encourages the behaviour in 'natural' alphas, who get girlfriends early and never look back). Afterwards, you'll start doing it without even thinking about it.

But before that point it's going to feel like a lot of hard work and a chore that you feel you shouldn't have to do. If you take nothing else from TRP, just take the ability to decipher a women's imperatives use it to be wary.

BrunoOh · 2015-01-08T00:55:22+00:00

If you're not going to walk the path, at least be aware of the path.

There are some things you got to do either way, e.g. lifting, acquiring education and a good job. You can always consider to reconsider dating when/after you do those.

MonkeyCB · 2015-01-08T05:13:53+00:00

This is probably what you're looking for.

http://www.rooshv.com/men-are-nothing-more-than-clowns-to-the-modern-woman

Also MGTOW isn't exactly rejecting women, it's more like not pursuing women just for sex or relationships or whatever. Plenty still date, or fuck chicks, they just don't take shit from them and don't put sex/relationships as their primary goal in life.

tallwheel · 2015-01-08T06:50:42+00:00

Your terms are all screwed up. You seem to be conflating MGTOW with celibacy and "swallowing the red pill" with game.

RedPillSafe · 2015-01-07T23:12:19+00:00

MGTOW is your first stop once you take the Red Pill.

If you get bored of Monk Mode you Spin Plates.

If you get bored of Spinning Plates and want higher SMV (Alpha) then you work harder at it.

You are free to decide how much and how far you go.

No rules here.

anon1821 · 2015-01-08T01:09:23+00:00

Imho going MGTOW is the perfect road

Plain RP is a fine road as well ...it depends what mode is suited to your personality.....not many people can pull a permanent MGTOW mode

thegr8b8m8 · 2015-01-08T15:09:57+00:00

You should have your testosterone checked. I was feeling the same way. Had my T checked and sure enough was low. Now after starting TRT I'm feeling much different. I have my drive back.

cos_2 · 2015-01-08T17:36:44+00:00

So, owing to my life experiences, which are my own, and being a pretty introverted guy.........I've actually been pretty seriously debating whether I want to be Red Pill, or just drop out of the race.

MGTOW isn't dropping out, its saying that having been in the field, having played the game long enough, you're done. If you're just wearing MGTOW as an excuse for not having taken the effort to put yourself out there to see what kind of women you attract, you're not MGTOW, you're just a misanthropic recluse. MGTOW is saying you're going to do what you want, and that if a woman steps into your life that's worth your time, so be it.

I don't want to be a monkey in a hamster wheel. I don't want the constant stress of trying to live up to expectations, and I'm not particularly fond of trying to make a whole bunch of money just to live how I want finally. It all just sounds too tiring, so maybe I just want a life of low expectations and spin a couple of plates now and then......or not at all..... Maybe I could become reclusive and just focus on my hobbies for the rest of my life. It's an idea.

Welcome to adulthood. People judge you. They expect things of you. Constantly. Wanting to escape the cycle isn't a positive thing, its somewhere in between self absorbed narcissism and denial.

Tiring? Don't ask for a lighter load, ask for broader shoulders to carry it.

Anyone feel this way as well? Dropping out completely or staying in and swallowing The Pill? It's an honest question. I feel like I either do it or not, there's not a whole lot of in-between. Has anyone cone so far from being beta that they can honestly tell me that the journey is possible and worth it?

Worth is a matter of personal opinion. You have to live with your decisions. What do you think will bother you more- the things you did do, or the ones you never did?

ostroman1989 · 2015-01-08T23:09:04+00:00

here is the deal, you ghost everything you aren't interested to be connected to.

in the future the free class will be those who are able to do precisely that, the rest will be enslaved by ever more cleaver machinations created by whoever wants to profit on someone elses back.

vorverk · 2015-01-08T12:25:52+00:00

Been there. The way up is not linear and is full of ups and downs. The key is to not let the downs get to you to much, forgive yourself that they happened and move on. It gets hard sometimes. Don't give up. It's a loooooonnnng jurney. How old are you? If you keep working on yourself, you'll eventually find yourself in front of the wave and surfing life will never be the same.

smokingmonkey420 · 2015-01-08T04:18:23+00:00

My advice for you. Just get fucking cocky and have fun. Don't think about it so much.

SeekingTheWay · 2015-01-08T12:00:26+00:00

how are you going to pay for your hobbies?

sterlinghtsmi · 2015-01-08T02:30:23+00:00

Don't be scared to reach for the stars and fail, you just may reach the Moon - Ed Macman, Talent Search.

galvanised_computer · 2015-01-08T07:27:41+00:00

You can always try to become bi. From what I hear guys don't have the bullshit women do.

AntixD · 2015-01-08T07:32:28+00:00

be red pill? you seem like a little girl bro,seriously,why are you complaining? no one is expecting anything from you,if you are pleased with yourself then stay where you are,there's no need to cry on the internet

Title	Ghosting (MGTOW) vs. swallowing The Red Pill
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Date	January 7, 2015 11:04 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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