How does an alpha interact with other men?

Plumerian · 2014-08-25T03:17:20+00:00

Friendliness. Only threats are met with hostility. If you perceive yourself at the top, no one is a problem.

unstoppablo · 2014-08-25T07:09:42+00:00

Low status men are competitive, high status men are cooperative.

TheSliceman · 2014-08-25T06:58:06+00:00

The alpha is the leader.

True leaders from my experience tend to be as humble, friendly, and non-aggressive as possible to the ones they lead. They can afford to do so because it is already known by all parties who's running the show. The leader makes the followers feel valued and appreciated.

Again, this is not something that can be done by an imitation leader, as that humility would very possibly be interpreted as a sign of weakness.

A dog that has been abused and beaten is needlessly aggressive to everything. Its no coincidence that most douchebags are actually really insecure betas doing whatever they can to come off as alpha.

Back on point, alphas treat other men with respect and dignity. Unless challenged by one of the betas or an alpha from another tribe, thats when the lion must show his teeth.

drrrrrr · 2014-08-25T06:05:32+00:00

Let's say at one end of the totem is being socially aspie and just blurting out whatever comes into your mind, because you're "alpha" and have no need to tailor what you say to maximize effectiveness. He often creates minor conflict over stupid issues like semantics or uses "straight-talk" in situations where everyone, even higher up guys, are monitoring what they say. He probably believes he is a fresh breath of air, but he is really just socially retarded.

Let's say at the other end of the totem, there is the guy who, whether an extrovert or introvert, wants to micromanage everything he says to garner maximum approval, good will, validation, etc from the group. He is just painfully beta; when he agrees with you, you know it means nothing because he probably didn't actually ponder your words, but was only thinking about how to interject his own comment that would get you to think of him positively. This is how a lot of college grads come off when you interview them, how beta males act on first dates, and how some of the worst extrovert people pleasers can make you want to throttle them. Introverts often hold their tongue too much to avoid getting disapproval from a potential screw up, whereas extroverts of this totem side will often constantly blab and regurgigate what others say with a beta smile and lots of forced laughing to lubricate the process.

Alphas avoid these parts of the totem pole. Being alpha amongst other men, whether those men are alpha or beta, is often just about an ABSENCE of these certain qualities. It is about not trying hard to be X or Y, and just being. Leaders or those who command respect do so because they appear to just be consistently themselves under pressure or in group contexts. Simple things like you change your manner of speaking and your body language when another big guy walks up to your group, things like that, they out you as beta right off the bat. This makes everyone perceive your "effort to be alpha" that follows as comical.

If you are a alpha / hybrid beta or just flat out beta (nearly all men are in this combination of categories) just worry about eliminating beta behaviors.

TrueBro · 2014-08-25T06:24:47+00:00

Let's be real: there is a "hierarchy". Some guys might be more alpha or more important than you status-wise(like your boss) and some are below you. What I do is simple: I consider everyone my equal. I don't make myself smaller because an alpha is trying to show dominance and I don't try to dominate betas. This is how I roll.

IllimitableMan · 2014-08-25T02:47:07+00:00

Superiors: straight talk they find the honesty refreshing. You want straight talk as in candour not straight talk as in autistic.

Confrontations: agree and amplify but be funny. Or deflect/pressure flip. If that fails use force

Co workers: straight talk or power talk depending on how much you like them. Power talk is reserved for persuasion and people you don't like but need plausible deniability with. Power talk is the language of sales, don't use it on your boss if you do and he's switched on your condescension will be poorly received and you will be seen as an upstart (someone likely to outshine his superiors.)

Amogs: ignore, mock or call them on their shit. I've done all 3. Amused mastery works well here if they havent got under your skin. Damage control amogs use is to gaslight+pressure flip by saying they were only joking your uncomfortability is unfounded and u need to chill.

Be all things to all people whilst being yourself. Handle people as the situation occurs but be congruent in who you are don't sell your identity or dignity and don't beg to be accepted. Sometimes haters are gonna hate its just the way it is.

SkorchZang · 2014-08-25T03:29:14+00:00

Couple tips for you.

With other men:

Do not ever brag, especially not about all the women you fucked. Do that and instinctively they will see you as a faggot. You end up with no respect.
Keep to yourself, mind your own business, do not be all buddy-buddy with "friendly" people you do not know or feeding off someone else's emotions. A cool headed demeanor like that gives you automatic cred, because nobody knows what the fuck you might be thinking, and that's never good news for people trying to figure out and manipulate you. They all want the easy target, and easy win/surrender from it.
No white knighting (this one is hard especially if you drink), if you think some guy is a piece of shit douchebag, great - keep it to yourself as long as nobody's messing with your private interests. Avoid brawls and starting random "you want some of this, mate?" shit with anybody, even if you think you're a lot stronger. Be completely ready to be some loudmouth fucker's "bitch", let them deride you and make comments about your lady if they want to. Anything they want, sneer back at them like you're enjoying, and either say nothing or cut a nasty joke. If shit gets annoying, always err on the side of caution and just say "babe, let's get out of here, I know a good place on Y street", then walk away. Never fight for the sake of "justice" of any kind, not worth it. Suck it up and move on to live another day.
When someone is legitimately messing with your basic inalienable interests, such as: grabbing/strongarming your woman when she doesn't want them to, your livelyhood, your children, your rightfully deserved place under the sun... then sorry dude, you have to break some bones right then and there. Don't give a fuck if you win or lose, give no warnings and no bad ass gangster talk, you just get up and fucking hit whoever it is with everything you have, and don't fight fair either. Use whatever you can use to your advantage, e.g. a hidden weapon. Make sure when they're down, you smash their face good, break wrists, crush fingers into a scraggly pulp with your boot, put some good kicks in their knee. So I'm saying, do very much kick them when the other gentleman is down, and don't stop when they stop resisting. Stop when they're destroyed. Then get out of there ASAP. Will you likely be caught anyways and sentenced, yes you will. But it's better to go to prison for aggro assault than to the hospital for a few months of coma, then possibly have permanent disabilities all your life. That's all a very real possibility if you don't go all the way, glance away, he gets up and pulls something sharp that goes straight into your back. So if you started something, finish it quick and leave them completely broken, no physical chance of trying anything again any time soon. Civilization and humanitarianism and being a decent person is all out the window at that point, you need to be clear about that and cool with it.

I believe there are certain situations wherein a man quite rationally must choose death or risk of death, over submission and compliance demanded by violent thugs. Keeping that attitude in the back of your noggin and never busting that "killer instinct" card out for stupid trifles will give you a lot of respect with fellow men, who can usually feel it (if you're genuine). So it's not that they are afraid, or you're all that scary, it's just that nobody wants to mess with that without a good fucking reason, they know it's gonna cost everybody and nobody wins.

swallowpls · 2014-08-25T07:11:54+00:00

other men? i see them as fellow men. brothers from another mother people who suffer the same shit as i do

the 'dominance assertion from insecure guys bullshit' idk i dont even know if i see that stuff anymore.

i dont take people seriously when stuff like that happens and i dont even put them down for it. theyre still trying to figure it out and i applaud them for it.

if they are nice people they can still be my friend

the way you deal with it is change your perception of it and your reality will soon follow.

now i read that you said that they do this 'in front of women' usually a one-liner puts it all to bed.. that is one of my beliefs: a one liner can shut down any shit test or bullshit challenge from anyone or anything.

the way the 'perfect' one liner comes out is by having the correct frame. you dont need to know the line off the top of your head per sé, you just need the right frame.

[deleted] · 2014-08-25T12:30:13+00:00

However you want. If you're letting the presence of others influence you, you aren't alpha.

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R_Model_07 · 2014-08-25T10:06:38+00:00

I think you're mainly talking about the workplace where you basically don't have a choice on who you are forced to deal with. You can choose friends but not family and co-workers.

The number one thing to remember is you're not there to make friends, only a paycheck. There's no such things as friends in business. You can be friendly, but trying too hard is setting yourself up to be asked for favors that may make you feel uncomfortable and is a employment liability factor. If the axe comes swinging down don't be surprised if you get thrown under the bus by the very same people you thought were "friends".

Also, don't share too much information about your private life to AMOGs or anyone in a small workplace.

Just act like you're there to get the job done while throwing in a joke or two should leave you unscathed.

[deleted] · 2014-08-25T12:57:56+00:00

I see "alpha" as sexual popularity or sexual leader. If you're talking about power, I think power has many forms, and thus many forms of communication. But I tend to feel that the most powerful men are kind in their general communication with other men, knowledge is power, and a smart man doesn't demonize disposable people.

niczar · 2014-08-25T14:42:06+00:00

Treat people at the bottom of the social ladder with respect and consideration. It costs you nothing, it feels good, and you might need their help. Also they could spit in your soup.

If you want to see if someone's a sociopath, pay close attention to how differently they behave to people above or below them in the social pyramid. Sociopaths can be very crafty and manipulative, but it's the one giveaway that they usually don't bother hiding. It's especially true for politicians.

I remember Harry Reid paying tribute to Paul Wellstone (MN senator who died in a plane crash) and mentioning how when he first came to the Senate, he stayed late on the first day so that he could shake hands with the cleaning ladies. A psychopath like John Boehner (not saying that because he's a R, but because he's such an obvious sociopath) wouldn't do that kind of things unless he was 100% certain there'd be cameras rolling. Wellstone ostensibly didn't do that for publicity, the fact came out after his death.

contrafagotto · 2014-08-25T11:57:30+00:00

In dealing with other men, there are three very different modes. The first mode is leadership, which requires competence, some charisma, and role-playing. The second mode is subversion and threat, which requires knowing one's Machiavelli. The third is team mode, working together or being together as co-equals. Half the trick is always knowing which mode you're in. For example, to attempt leadership with Machiavellian tactics will soon lead to disaster. One needs skill and experience in all three modes, and handling oneself in the hierarchy means being very smart and fluid in shifting between modes.

Erieb · 2014-08-25T15:27:43+00:00

You should read The Prince, it explains everything.

optimates · 2014-08-25T16:54:52+00:00

Be the type of man who people tell jokes to and people want to prove themselves to. You have to act like a big brother to every man who is kind.

might_bitey_big_bum · 2014-08-26T22:02:50+00:00

Shake his hand and invite him to join in the fun.. hopefully he will learn something from me.

chakravanti93 · 2014-08-27T11:43:27+00:00

AFBB is not identity. It's just something you do. It's a female mating strategy. It's irrelevent unless you're a fag,

HalfysReddit · 2014-08-25T03:19:56+00:00

He interacts with other men however he wishes to interact with them.

badpig · 2014-08-25T01:42:48+00:00

Either shut him down, blow him off or just let it ride as the situation demands.

speakertable · 2014-08-25T13:09:50+00:00

General rule: give off the vibe that you're not afraid of escalating violently/physically. Of course, don't actually do so.

10199 · 2014-08-25T05:22:41+00:00

My neighbour is an iconical alpha-male. Rollo once wrote something like this "we are trying to live with alphas" and I can confirm it.

We are not friends, more like acquaintances. He is ~7 years older than me, I am 29. No wife/kids, but once he was close to marriage. He was drinking for about whole life, I suppose even used some drugs. About half of year ago he decided to inject a patch which will cut out drinking (russian thing, anti-alcohol). On new year party he had a knife fight in his flat.

No education, no steady jobs. Always steals some shit from current job. Plays WoW and WoT. Used to have a gig in his flat once a week (when he was drinking) with dancing, drunk fights and semi-whores.

The funny thing is that he is incredibly talkative and convincing. He owes me some money and when we met he is always able to convince me that the moneis is on the way, or someone will pay him back and he pays me - it goes on for 3 years. Incredibly impudent (I hope I use the right word here) - sometimes he dares to ask me for some more moneis and it was close to real fight to refuse.

He is emotional and extroverted. If he wants something and if he is drunk, he will get it. No idea how its done, it seems like magic to me.

I try not to interact with him at all now and think about moneis as a lost one.

slcjosh · 2014-08-25T17:57:22+00:00

however he feels like acting

Title	How does an alpha interact with other men?
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