How To Split The Check And Still Close

red-arctic-tern · 2016-08-27T18:04:59+00:00

I've never had problems making girls pay for their own stuff. But I never do dinner dates either!

I used to live in a smaller town and I had to drive to bigger cities to have dates. When setting up a date I would tell the girl that since I was the one driving to her she should pay for my beer. They usually agree.

Also, if shes late, I tell her to to buy me a drink.

Hang10Dude · 2016-08-27T20:06:02+00:00

Honestly, If I'm taking a woman out to dinner, it's because I've already slept with her and I'm okay with paying for the date.

razormachine · 2016-08-27T18:20:31+00:00

But even if my closing rate went down, it’s worth it for not having that “chump” feeling you get when you spend a bunch of money on some random girl’s drinks and have nothing to show for it.

At the end it's not about how many woman you sleep with, but how much fun you have while doing it. I think that getting rid of that "chump" feeling for loosing a chick or two is well worth it.

Rice_Fields · 2016-08-28T02:07:59+00:00

Kinda knew it would be from heartiste.
He used to post such good content

IGoYouStayTwoAutumns · 2016-08-28T04:02:35+00:00

On the contrary: THE MORE YOU SPEND ON A GIRL ON THE FIRST DATE, THE LESS LIKELY SHE IS TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU. If you want to maximize your chances of having sex on the first date, simply spend $0 on the girl you're with. It really is that simple.

Think of it this way: when you're out with a girl, having drinks, maybe some food as well etc, and the check comes, and you casually toss down your credit card and say "You wanna split this?", you are communicating: you are equals, you are not to be taken advantage of, you have healthy boundaries, you're both full-fledged independent adults, neither one of you owes the other anything, etc etc. You are maximizing your "alpha tells". Women love this. Almost every time I've split the bill (or accepted a woman's offer to pay for everything, which happens on occasion), I've found myself in bed with the girl an hour or two later.

On the other hand, imagine the following: you've had a great time, you've had a few drinks, maybe din, the bill comes, you smile and say "Oh I've got this..." and immediately hand your server the bill along with your credit card, taking care of everything. You are immediately communicating to your date: you are easily taken advantage of, you think your money impresses her, you're trying to buy your way into bed with her, and on and on. All of it very, VERY beta. She's thinking: wait, I barely know this guy, and he's insisting on paying for everything--hmm, he must not have much going on, then, if he feels like he has to BUY my affections... He must not have any other women in play. He must be desperate. He must be BETA.

It's a hard pill to swallow gents (since we've all been brainwashed from birth to think that the more we spend on women, the more they're going to like us), but the truth is, if you want to maximize your sexual strategy, you really should insist on splitting the bill 100% of the time no matter what. It's still possible to get laid after paying for everything (certainly I've done it), but you're making it a lot harder on yourself for sure. Just split the bill (this is what every couple on every date in every other civilized country IN THE WORLD does all the time, by the way--all except for the US), and get her back to your place ASAP. You'll be amazed at how much more easily the seduction goes, after that.

mojo_juju · 2016-08-28T00:45:29+00:00

Excellent tactic there-- communicating to the waiter, so that it is sprung on the woman and she has no choice other than pay or look like a D-bag ("uhhh... I umm... hmm I didn't expect this split check" HAHAHA I'd love to see her face.) . Fuck yeah.

I generally just let them know right off the bat-- I like to clear up any expectations they may have.

But... I'm going to give your tactic a shot.

Geleemann · 2016-08-28T14:03:55+00:00

I'd rather be blunt and say it right there. That's just me though

StopBreakingFrame · 2016-08-27T19:15:42+00:00

I've not been on a single on-line date, but that will change soon. TRP probably saved me $1000 on dinners......it's too much money for too much food. Also, I'm not an ATM machine.

Poldonis · 2016-08-30T18:50:12+00:00

1) get waiters attention 2) put pointer fingers side by side 3) separate fingers

80% of the time it works every time

clonegreen · 2016-08-28T04:36:12+00:00

I understand it's considered the "right thing to do" to pay for a woman, but is there an actual logical reason for this? I never understood why men have to pay as if there's a luxury of being in the company of women.

I've only paid for girlfriends and usually look for free or cheap dates with women so I've yet to incur this issue with splitting checks.

Screenp2 · 2016-08-28T01:01:55+00:00

You guys seem to forget that you, invited her, to join you for a meet up so that you can screen her how to see if she's worthy to have sex with. a girl who wants you to pay for whatever at the first meet up is not worthy.

Awotwe_Knows_Best · 2016-08-28T13:28:56+00:00

how do you straight up ask for separate checks without using a bathroom break as an excuse?

waverunnr · 2016-08-29T00:23:45+00:00

Thanks for the feedback everyone. What I'm hearing from most of you is that it's more Alpha to split the check overtly rather than covertly, which should raise my closing rate as a result of it being more Alpha.

ChickenBalotelli · 2016-08-29T03:09:10+00:00

Great post, sir! Simple but effective tool for the arsenal...my favorite kind. Thanks for taking the time to write it out.

FrostyGoingHisOwnWay · 2016-08-29T11:15:15+00:00

The way I've always approached this is that if I ask someone out on a date I'm offering to pay for them, wording when you ask them out should be clear. "I'm taking you out for a meal". Back when I was dating throughout my 20's I found that assertiveness was key and that women like an element of control to be in the mans hands, they like being swept off their feet, the thing that dries them up fastest is any kind of negotiating on when/where you'll meet or who will pay. They do not want someone to negotiate with. Make sure when you've finished not to hang around too long, you call the waiter over, he works for you right now, you pay and there's no room for negotiation. If she says something you simply say that you offered to take her out and that's what you're doing, there's no arguing with that.

At the same time a great way of reciprocating this is showing less interest after the first date, and drop subtle hints that there's nothing to stop them as modern women taking you out. If they ask why there's been no second date, why not just say "Well why don't you take us somewhere?", "OK why don't you meet me for drinks at...". "Ok but just because you buy me a few drinks doesn't mean I'm going to sleep with you!"

Boom, you have a 2nd date, she gets to take you for a drink, you've still initiated the first date to show you're in control, she's now chasing you, you can split the cheque or pay for a few drinks each or let her pay if she insists, that gives her the chance to feel like a stronk independent womyn and pay for something, you get ROI and ultimately makes the whole experience cheaper if you're short on cash.

Added bonus, if she's just using you for a meal and drinks she'll be horribly turned off by the thought of her taking you out and that's a good red flag to avoid a 2nd date. Another added bonus is that 2nd date is prime time for closing and if she's paid she doesn't have the pressure of thinking that she owes you something, a lot of women have a fear that if the man pays he'll feel like she owes him sex.

Whatever happens, the first date and first impression are key, you need to be assertive throughout the whole experience, that sets her framing of you as "he's assertive but he'll let me pay for something" rather than the other way around, one of these traits is dominant and when she thinks of you it should always be that "he's assertive and..." comes first in her mind.

BeyondDedication · 2016-08-29T15:21:59+00:00

Wait when the check comes, don't make a move.

If your SMV is high enough relative to hers she will offer to split if not offer to fully pick up the check.

If she doesn't it's a losing battle.

mkubwest · 2016-09-09T12:55:33+00:00

A far easier strategy (and one that avoids your date overhearing, if the place is small or you can't time things so you bump into the waiter when they're far enough away from your date) would be show up early, choose your waiter, and then tell them you're be meeting someone but they (the waiter) should bring individual bills.

Kenny_Twenty · 2016-08-27T18:11:58+00:00

Strange for it to be necessary to approach this with so much thought. It's no big deal at all. I can't imagine why you'd need to do anything other than just tell your server that you want separate checks when they ask if you're done with your meal. I can't see how it's be awkward to bring it up in front of the woman. In fact, I imagine doing it in front of her will only make you more valuable in her eyes.

maxbrooksmacbook · 2016-08-27T23:12:01+00:00

50 bucks for two people? I wish I lived where you do. Went out the other night, each of us had two drinks and our bill was over 100

SomeGuyNY · 2016-08-28T10:28:44+00:00

Online dating has turned into a cesspool of women trying to score free food and drinks out of men so it’s difficult to screen out the scammers before you hang out.

I keep hearing that but I can't wrap my mind around it. Even I don't want to hang out with overly beta guys and a free dinner with a person I dislike would be negative value for me by default.

Title	How To Split The Check And Still Close
Author	waverunnr
Upvotes	104
Comments	68
Date	August 27, 2016 5:36 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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