Red Pill mostly an American issue?

ihavespellingproblem · 2013-05-31T16:02:59+00:00

I'm Russian. Girls are different in Moscow than the ones in provinces. More cunty so to say. Plenty of times I heard an advice that you should never marry a girl from Moscow and that girls from villages make best wives. So as stories about girls being brought to Moscow and get seduced by bright lights, money and glamour of the capital, and get spoiled faster than fresh milk goes sour. You need to game to win over here.
Also, Russia is different from US or Europe, I cannot say if Soviet Revolution made an impact on women because it brought them right to vote, education, etc. But WW2 made a massive impact on male population, after the war Russia was flooded with women, man was the king on dating market back then - no game required, all you needed is to show up. This is the reason btw why Russian girls are so pretty - loads of available chicks, not enough men, only the pretty ones got married. For the same reason man infidelity is less frown upon, and for the same reason guys went beta - no competition, no need to work to win a girl, no need for self-improvement. Add single mothers, add alcoholism, add The Crazy 90's.
As for relationships in general - it's the same story like everywhere else, same drama, same confusion. We even have something of a Manosphere community of our own, as a matter of the fact.

musicvita25 · 2013-05-31T14:35:04+00:00

You can't get worse then London. Attitude is everywhere in London.

Men are turning into emotional basketcases now. Because the propaganda is everywhere of being a caring loving man is the way forward. She comes first.

And even MTV and the other music channels where these women are singing "I just want a man to treat me right," and last but not least, London where I live, is a melting pot, so all of the women are feeding off eachother the same way of living/thinking.

London has been the toughest place to get women, for people with no knowledge of red pill or game. So I know now when I go abroad its literally a piece of piss considering I seem to almost always get laid on holiday.

luxury_banana · 2013-05-31T14:47:46+00:00

First world countries are the worst of the lot but a lot of this really applies everywhere. The women are only "different" in other countries because of incentives and lack of the legal system enabling them. Incentives and consequences drive behavior.

kukul · 2013-05-31T14:40:21+00:00

I'm Polish and while the phenomena we discuss here are not as widespread as in the West, they're definitely present, especially among the "cool kids". Besides, the rules of attraction are universal, so I find the red pill knowledge to be most certainly useful and relevant.

Ronfar · 2013-05-31T16:02:35+00:00

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mistermikeymike · 2013-05-31T15:38:29+00:00

sweden. the queen of feminist countries and whipped pussy men

theubercuber · 2013-05-31T14:26:45+00:00

I was reading an article (I think Roosh) who was talking about it spreading to Eastern Europe. All the girls who travel/study abroad in the western world bring back the entitled behaviour and it is slowly starting to spread everywhere.

Also I think the nordic states have it way worse than us. They don't just have entitled snobby girls, they have literal institutionalized sexism.

man taxes on the table in denmark
guy arrested for being too muscular in Norway or Sweden
PSAs telling men to sit like women on the train

etc. etc.

SoftHarem · 2013-05-31T14:38:35+00:00

It is a problem everywhere, AWALT, however the white English speaking countries are by far the worst.

delta_hedge · 2013-05-31T15:59:37+00:00

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AlwaysLateToThreads · 2013-05-31T19:05:17+00:00

The more Westernized a society is, the more redpill a man needs to be in order to be successful with women.

Clauderoughly · 2013-05-31T16:12:28+00:00

Yeah, its pretty fucking horrible in Australia too.

delta_hedge · 2013-05-31T16:17:31+00:00

interesting to hear from so many eastern europeans. your contribution is appreciated mucho.

you often readn about western guys talking about EE chicks.have any of you EE guys had a west-european/nordic chick, e.g. while studying abroad? any experiences?

2013-06-03T15:57:07+00:00

In every culture, an ambitious, independent, confident man with a backbone and the ability to say no and not be an ass-kissing doormat is generally good with women.

The rest of the stuff, launch nuclear negs or not, marry or not, etc. is more cultural / political.

E.g. me and my wife are Hungarians living in Austria. Her previous boyfriend was a French-Portuguese, who kept saying pas de problem cherie. No problem dear. Like, she asked him, let's go to some restaurant? No problem darling, wherever you want to. She told him every pas de problem cherie will cost him a bottle of Bailey's, then dumped him at around a dozen. So even though I was much more beta than today, I was able to be to take initiatives, be more assertive, even say no, and yes, she liked that. There is no culture where men without backbones rock.

You can think about it like this. In our genetic past, the caveman who hooked up with the wrong woman had at worst an Al Bundy situation, at best just had to save up for a second wife. But the cave-woman with the wrong kind of man, who would not have the courage to protect her would discover a dozen interesting ways to die.

So when cowards approach women, the women's genes send out the WARNING! YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER! signals. Like as how a rich guy who received a death threat would feel when deciding whether to hire a coward bodyguard. It's the warning signals all over.

But on the other hand to us American salesmen e.g. selling software are overly pushy with their products, going in for the kill with a tank, we would really prefer some less-is-more and let-us-breath here. And I guess that also goes for pick-ups. Be firm and confident and like you some competition, but don't be the overly competitive aggressive guy who needs to jump on every challenge etc.

I seriously don't know about American women. But given that every character I liked in Desperate Housewives was male made me worried about my sexual orientation haha :) Would have been cool to have a brother like Mike. But really, wouldn't date any of those women. But of real life I know little. But I lived in Britain. I looked into a music pub, my boner went instantly to minus infinity and said never, never ever ever have anything to do with them. Loud, yelling, drunkardly, swearing, cussing, fighting (not catfights: punching and glassing) women, women who are overweight but have no self-criticism and still wear miniskirts, women who have no idea how to wear high heels and stomp around in them like an AT-ST, women so drunk that they fall of their high heels and go home barefoot in the winter and the police gives them flip-flops. I said no way ever. And my uber beta male PC mangina of a roommate tearing into me, saying how horribly sexist of me that I say it is not cool for women to be piss drunk yet I don't say the same about men. I said my preference is that my dates are not blind drunk. I only date women. Why should I care about people I don't date? If I like Indian food but Chinese not, is it wrong for me to care that Indian restaurants should be clean, but I don't care if Chinese ones are clean? Should my personal preferences be made like a political statement? He was incapable of understanding that.

YouDislikeMyOpinion · 2013-06-01T00:04:53+00:00

Eastern European girls have much more honor, respect, and dignity. And when I say eastern European girls, I mean the ones that are still living in eastern Europe. It doesn't work if they come to NA.

kbrugger · 2013-05-31T18:18:40+00:00

I'm latin-american and I find The Red Pill truly enlightening.

However, hardcore feminism is almost inexistent around here. We live in a mostly "macho" culture (which isn't ideal either). So there is no real resentment towards women or any feminist movement whatsoever.

We approach the red pill knowledge as means to not forget and not lose the power that we have over women when we truly adopt the alpha mindset.

phattsao · 2013-05-31T17:11:32+00:00

Kinda seems that way.

luxury_banana · 2013-05-31T21:27:52+00:00

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whynoflyingcarsyet · 2013-06-01T01:15:29+00:00

NAPS - North American Princess Syndrome

2013-06-03T15:31:12+00:00

Americans extremize everything. For example some are so selfish they give loans to their own siblings instead of giving them money they need, and some are so altruistic (with other people's money) that they don't understand that welfare must be a balanced set of rights and duties, not simply a compassion trip. In many other countries people intuitively go for middle grounds like I am communist with my relatives but capitalist with the world.

All this comes from individualism: everybody does their own thing, no compromise. The like-minded band together, echo chamber effect etc.

This results in the beta being very beta, the alpha being very alpha, the feminist being very feminist and the submissive woman being very submissive. Always the extremes.

Better exampel: the land of hamplanets but also the land that created the worldwide California Fitness craze with all the body building. Always extremes, good extremes, bad extremes.

Western Europeans tend to have a sense for going for middle grounds, for social compromises, for having the same opinion everybody else has. Fucking boring if you ask me, but....

So in WE you see more compromise oriented people, like women who want to be feminists but also good moms and wives, and alpha-ish men who are confident, but respectful, or betas who nevertheless have a bit of a masculine behavior because of the social customs and their sense of duty does not allow them to let themselves fully go otaku.

So for example a Western European person does not go fully hamplanet, because at 300 lbs / 150 kg he notices that social opinion is judging him so he obeys it and loses weight. But again he also does not have a Martin Berkhan body, because being too ripped, too buff would again be against social opinon, he would be called a dumb meathead. So people will go to the middle.

You can only be very fat or very fit if you don't give a shit what others think. And that is very American.

And we Eastern Europeans... we just make mischief :-)

Timedispenser · 2013-05-31T18:35:39+00:00

Portugal here. A strange phenomenon is the quantity of ugly women there is per average looking man, 1:5, this equates in a greater power in terms of Hypergamy for women, tons of good looking men for only a handful of above average female's (Spanish women come in droves during vacations to get laid)

Raw observation data I collected over the years, the small town I live (<10k pop.), I can remember only from the top of my head a dozen girls that are 8/9's, my high school's class, one single pretty girl (8) and another average (5, great body, awful face), my facebook with 200 friends (90-95% are acquaintances), I can identify maybe 12 good looking women (6 to 9), two of them are plates. (I rarely add people)

This as I said before, creates a really competitive environment for average looking men like me (but most man, and women too, don't know shit how to dress, baggy jeans and graphic tee's are still in fashion). If you have good looks and/or strong game you might have a good chance, but still, tons of competition.

Still lucky for us, there isn't a big feminazi movement, only "shared" women love without political agenda, but this won't last long I believe...

bigyellowtwinki · 2013-05-31T20:13:24+00:00

It's not mostly an American issue, next topic please.

etherael · 2013-05-31T23:56:40+00:00

It's not a Thai issue.

nrvale00 · 2013-05-31T18:45:40+00:00

It's amplified in US but I believe the issue is really driven by access/influence of Western media and thus becomes more of an urban versus rural spectrum thing.

My #1 right now grew up in a rural part of China until 18 and actively rejects most of the things that would be labeled as feminist dogma in this sub as she wasn't bombarded with that nonsense from an early age. Not that she's a shrinking violet...owns own house, well-off, PhD, a divorce in her past where she did not clean the guy out. She's accomplished so she's not "given up her life for her man" by any stretch.

This is a pattern I've noticed; urban w/ lots of Western media == pain in the arse. Rural / suburban with a more "traditional" upbringing (relative to her country of birth) == much more pleasant in nearly every way imaginable.

Title	Red Pill mostly an American issue?
Author	jtcribbs
Upvotes	32
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Date	May 31, 2013 2:19 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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