Redefining the boundaries: Why weak men think you cant be friends with a woman.

huggyblossom · 2019-07-25T21:37:01+00:00

Being in friend circle with several girls from 15 to 30+ now I can say only few things - you realise how easy to get sex is, you realise how many idiots get sex due to being in the right moment at the right place, you see women true nature when there are no hiding and curtains between their private life.

The only thing I can say for LTR is that you have to make her tingle and practice game all the time. No matter her SMV drops in the years she is the sweet little girl you fell in love with all those years ago and if you let this thing inside her to die you are responcible for the bitter hag that gets released :)

Dionysus-VIOLENCE · 2019-07-25T23:08:08+00:00

I think most TRP guys aren’t friends with women simply because they don’t enjoy the company of women, unless it’s a woman they are pursuing. You admitted you have a feminine personality, being raised mainly by women, so that is why you prefer being around women.

Also, there is nothing worse than being in the friend zone of a woman you are attracted to. It’s a form of torture that I wouldn’t wish upon my worst enemies. So don’t project your insecurities about your choice in friends onto a community that only wants to hang around women that they are interested in sexually.

bemore_ · 2019-07-26T02:36:10+00:00

What you're talking about here isn't friendship though. You can sorta be friends with a women but generally speaking, not really. Women lack basic respect for beta's and weaker men. Honestly, they're barely even good friends to each other, you're asking too much from them. I have female friends and I have a huge suspicion that all of them would be open to jumping my bones

Sisyphus_XIV · 2019-07-26T12:43:26+00:00

Great post, shame it's getting downvoted by all the guys stuck in the anger phase. Friendship with women is not the same (AT ALL) as friendship with men - but it IS friendship nonetheless. I'd say the main advantages are :

It massively helps getting women off the pedestal, and thus becoming an accomplished man instead of a beast fascinated by women.
As another comment rightly points out, it helps develop other communication types (and why wouldn't you want to develop your skills?)
Social circle game is incredibly powerful.
Some women are really fun to be around, you just need to know where to find them (apparently not in America, judging from americans' posts).

And just to be clear: NOBODY is advocating having ONLY female friends. That's simply retarded, just like the opposite statement.

Flynn-Lives · 2019-07-25T20:41:28+00:00

The phrase "you are an average of the five people you spend the most time with" comes to mind. Only having female friends sounds like a good way to castrate yourself.

chazthundergut · 2019-07-26T00:36:31+00:00

Nope. Women genuinely do make shitty friends.

It's because of their pragmatism. Women are way too ruthlessly pragmatic to make a good friend. They cant help it. Even when they want to be a good friend, their brains are simply hardwired to seek personal advantage and avoid personal loss (or loss of social status) in all situations.

Consider how much women hate other females. Women live in a world of masks and daggers and are constantly vying for social advantage over their peers. I cant tell you how many women have confided in me how exhausting it is to hang out with a group of their girlfriends, and how mean and treacherous other girls are (never themselves, of course).

Of course women love having Male friends. Because men are honest and straightforward and have the capability of putting other people ahead of themselves. The same things that make men romantic (women are NOT romantic) are what make men good friends.

I've known my best friend since high school. For years I was just a fat broke loser who couldn't get laid; he was a popular jock who always had a new girlfriend. I isolated myself with weed and videogames. But he never gave up on me. For YEARS he consistently hung out with me, dragged me to parties, introduced me to girls, and paid for me when I was too broke to do anything. He even flew me up to the mountains one year to snowboard and celebrate my birthday, and paid for everything. Now that I'm successful and popular I haven't forgotten his friendship. Now it's me flying him out to party in different countries and introducing him to investors and paying when we go out.

Chicks are incapable of that kind of selfless love. And to me, that's what the core of friendship is all about. I love my bro, and he loves me (no homo).

You can be "friends" with a chick, but you'll never really be friends. To them it is always a temporary alliance of convenience

RamessesVII · 2019-07-25T21:16:31+00:00

Being friends with women doesn’t work because sexual attraction will inevitably form on one side or another. You’re trying to rationalize your friendships with women by saying those who give them up aren’t “alpha” like you are.

I don’t like being friends with women anymore full stop. Way less drama in my life when I just talk to other men/my girlfriend/plates.

BlackKnightNoFedora · 2019-07-26T22:56:50+00:00

Perhaps you have never had a true male friendship. Because if you had actually experienced the brotherhood of a such a relationship you would never equate it to the relationship that men and women have when they are making a concerted effort to be platonic.

The fact that you prefaced this post with shaming language makes me also wonder if you are even a man at all or just some trad chick larping as a man.

nofears · 2019-07-29T04:55:39+00:00

Bottom line is that masculine men have no need or desire for female friends. No one is saying you cannot be friends with a woman. Rather it's typically just not a productive or enjoyable pursuit, as women are not going to possess the same ambition, interests, skill levels, or worldview as a truly masculine man will.

This is the disconnect here... OP on the other hand sounds quite feminine with his artsy drifting lifestyle, hence his preference for female company.

whatsthisgarg · 2019-07-25T23:07:18+00:00

Here are two other, much better, perspectives:

Female friends: Just as easy to fuck as any other women

and when you have female friends, you certainly don't do things FOR women, you do things TO women

Try to have some fun, guys.

Robster25 · 2019-07-26T06:24:05+00:00

I think we have to go deeper and define what "friendship" is to you or for that matter everyone of us (males).

Personally I like reliable friends, who are as driven as me or even more driven than me, who have hobbies and to whom I can talk to about everything honestly and openly.

See the problem?

Most women aren't driven. Those who are, lose nearly all of their feminine traits, because they usually have to compete against men. And I am a big fan of feminine women.
Out of these women, who are driven and still feminine, even fewer are reliable. Deep down they are still women and as far as I have experienced, women are not as reliable as men. If a man gives you his word and breaks it, he is not seen as trustworthy. If a woman breaks her word, well...she is a woman. Maybe she didn't "feel" it in the moment.
Most driven women who are still feminine and reliable don't have any hobbies, except for their work (and maybe watching trashy tv-shows after work). Do I want to talk about their work all the time or trashy tv shows? Nope.
You can't talk to women like you can talk to men. You always have to consider their feelings in regard to what you say. If you say something that might be considered offending to and by them, the conversation is over because they are pissed at you (I don't mean the push-pull spiel, but a serious conversation). After that point the conversation is over.

Now to your Tl;dr:

Fair enough.
You are dishonest. Either you want to be "friends" or you want to fuck them. Choose one.
Bullshit. Most women are so shallow that they have nothing to offer except pussy and pussy doesn't contribute to my long term success.
Not having female friends doesn't mean you don't interact with women at all. Maybe you have to interact at your workplace or during shopping or whatever. There are enough situations where you have to hold frame, not only regarding women, but also regarding other men.

Feel free to prove me wrong!

Cryptoguru777 · 2019-07-26T09:41:59+00:00

All woman I have been 'friends' with either resulted me in fucking them or getting in a friendzone (this was 9 years ago).

Woman can be friends with men. Men can't be friends with women, they will always want to fuck them in the back of their head. I have a niece who I go out with every now and then and she's a solid 10 (literally), naturally there is nothing between us, we are family, so in this case we can be friends.

BACONisKEWLEST · 2019-07-29T21:37:23+00:00

Reading through your comments, you clearly have your ego invested in it being ‘acceptable’ and ‘alpha’ for a man to have primarily female friends. You do you man. I don’t see anyone here talking about not having female friends as a hard and fast rule (aside from obvious trolls). It’s a preference.

I prefer the company of men. I like talking with men and doing things with men. Women quickly irritate me in platonic settings where I’m outnumbered. It’s not about holding frame, it’s about spending my energy and time in a way that is both productive and enjoyable. If you feel that way hanging out with women, Godspeed. But don’t come on here reprimanding people for not sharing your same preferences, and then insulting them when they disagree.

usegao · 2019-07-25T23:27:51+00:00

do you get along with men? you may have androphobia. that's my first impression anyway.

iknowthewhey · 2019-07-26T12:29:19+00:00

The problem here is the word "friend". You can have woman friends, but they are different than your guy friends. A girl that's a friend might not be able to come to your side when you need them and you can't expect the same from them that you would from a guy. That doesn't mean you should just go telling every girl your not fucking to fuck off. Some girls can be pleasant to be around and add value to your life even if you're not fucking them. Most men aren't capable of this though because they inevitably see their girl friends as sexual prospects.

monsieurhire2 · 2019-07-25T20:37:48+00:00

Ha, you and I walk a similar path. I agree with much of what you said.

That being said, I will point out that everything is a trade-off, and a lifestyle that includes many platonic female friends, while having advantages, can also have the following drawbacks which one must knowingly and self-consciously accept going in, the better to counteract and mitigate:

You lose incentive to pursue women romantically because you already having several intangible but important needs met: female validation, female company, and some level of female intimacy, which can even include levels of physical intimacy all the way up to full-blown "benefits" aka sex;
You get "feminized..." which means that you are more prone to potentially getting hardcore, rug yanked out from you AMOG'd by the more brutish elements of the male population, the sociopaths, the gang-members, the thugs, the calculated cads who are looking to cuck you to prove something. You develop a certain sensitivity and manners. Many men disdain this.... BUT these "soft" diplomacy skills can save your ass, keep you out of trouble, win you friends, prevent you from making enemies. However, they can also turn into an excuse to avoid risks, make your lose your edge, and increase the likelihood of a failure to handle certain crisis situations that require risk-taking, such as physical confrontations that you cannot avoid, which is the low probability but high impact ones we all dread: violent home intrusion, random mugging, etc. Even these can be planned for, but there is no such thing is a risk free life. Many wealthier men opt to keep themselves within a social circle that plays by civilized rules. So, for instance, while men may try to fuck each others wives and girlfriends behind each other's backs, they are far less likely to make aggressive, open passes in social settings because they fear expulsion from the group, whereas, at some random bar, a high-status male out on the town with his girlfriend, could EASILY get chumped by some sly Jersey Shore types.
As a corollary to 2., you lose touch with your masculinity. Women take time away from masculine pursuits. Now some have masculine pursuits, but these are often a minority, and many are using it as a fig-leaf to get around high value men, so the focus then will gradually shift from the activity to the prospect of a relationship or lack thereof;
With women, you really learn the lesson of the value exchange element of most friendships and relationships. If you don't offer value as a person, you will not be attracting women romantically, as well as platonicly. Where it gets tricky is that values are often relative and subjective. People will often value what should be disdained and vice versa. So, if you are a paragon of moral virtue, you will repel as well as attract, and if you are a degenerate, you will also attract event as you repel. But it is better to be virtuous than a degenerate, so don't be tempted down the path of degeneracy just because you see some scumbag pulling "attractive" women. It's likely that they have serious problems, and if they don't, they will before too long when they got knocked up before they are ready, or get an STD or some addiction issue.

Number 4. actually has a silver lining in that you will then be sensitized to how MEN aren't much better in that department. It was only after I had been a member of this community for a few years that I had to swallow the bitter red pill of knowing that most of my male friendships had been guys attempting to use me, and in some cases me using them, meaning there wasn't much interpersonal warmth, but rather an artificial impersonal exchange of intangible and some times tangible benefits, such as the "friend" who would give me rides to school, who also lived in a big house with minimal oversight, and thus became the social events facilitator of the group, which then led to resentment on his part, or the friend I would always give rides to and bum smokes to. I myself also suffered from a tendency to opportunistically mooch off people, and this sabotaged relationships VERY quickly. It's hilarious that even eating the last slice of pizza that you didn't pay for, but that nobody else wants will leave a bad taste in people's mouths, because people who had to pay for things resent habitual "free" riders.

In my experience, with one or two exceptions, most women haven't directly assisted as wing-women. You will get some preselection by being seen with them, but unless you run in highly developed civilized social circles where people believe in mutual aid, nobody will take an interest in even introducing you to eligible LTR candidates unless they themselves are satisfied with their own LTR. I'm coming from a place though of a probable "sigma" who would always get veiled interest from women already in LTRs, usually to mid to high betas that were a "safe" choice. I wasn't alpha because I didn't lead men, but as an individual, I was alpha-esque, just a loner on the margins with "potential." So, that's my bias. If I were a "safe" beta, I probably would have had been fixed up to someone willing to "settle" for me by now, and I would have been grateful for the privilege and opportunity.

Imperator_Red · 2019-07-26T00:25:23+00:00

It’s not that you can’t or shouldn’t have female friends (actual close friends, not the chicks you invite over before you head to the bars). It’s more a question of why would you want to? It’s kind of a signal of what kind of guy you are if you actually enjoying hanging out with chicks that much.

If you have a bunch of female bff’s where you go get ice cream with them and talk about life, you might be a fag.

Cutting off an entire group of people based on their sex is not only sexist

Confirmed

Fulp_Piction · 2019-07-26T12:46:50+00:00

You can be friends with them, but they'll never be man friends and women orbit male spaces anyway. Trying to befriend women to sleep with more women is a shit strategy.

Your point 1 is anecdotal, point 2, 3 and 4 are accomplished when you're high SMV and know how to sell yourself. You don't need to be friends with women to accomplish them, and we all remember the guys from school with all the girlfriends turned out to be gay.

sunkenking · 2019-07-25T23:53:51+00:00

so much cuck shit on here these days man the fuck up

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TRPonlySubsBanTRPppl · 2019-07-25T22:57:55+00:00

I think your points are good, but your title and post are poorly written. I think if you just wrote about the benefits of being friends with women, it would have been better. It was also a bit hard to follow, appearing clear in general why of writing but overall showing incoherence and an unclear mind. The lack of clarity distracts from your credibility, creating the appearance of someone trying to be defensive or controversial (wanting attention) as much as insightful or constructive. I'm not purposefully intending to be hard on you, more wanting you to know that you have something to say, I found it hard to follow, and you can do a lot better than this.

Crispytrip · 2019-07-26T15:38:01+00:00

Idk man I’m sure you can but I don’t want to, shit I don’t even want to be friends with most guys now either. I lost my best friend because all he does is play videogames, it might be harsh but if I don’t learn or improve with you I don’t see a point.

legend503 · 2019-08-03T16:12:26+00:00

I can be friends with women. Just not women I'm in love with that doesn't love me back. They have to go.

But other than that? It's the best

yomo86 · 2019-08-04T14:26:15+00:00

I dissent. Friendships with women, including all I had, were mainly determined how much ressources I could put into the 'friendship'. Time, money, a helping hand. Every men helped a woman move, yet, another man only if he's a real friend. It was always the same. Acquaintances yes, sure, I don't hate women. But friendship? Women steamroll each other every other week. My sister is on her gazillionst bff right now, I still keep in touch with my sand box friends. So try it and see for yourself.

careofKnives · 2019-08-14T19:04:34+00:00

Even if I wanted to truly be friends with a female it wouldn’t work. I only like women sexually, it is what it is. Even if I could successfully fake enjoying a woman’s company platonically, I wouldn’t be able to maintain the act for long. You say you have a natural abundance mentality but while you’re talking to a woman 10x longer than I am because you’re making friends and I’m just trying to hit, I’ve already talked to 10 more new women. Basically, a lot of men(possibly the large majority) can’t have female friends even if they wanted to and it wouldn’t help them even if they could.

prostitutemonger · 2019-07-26T09:49:37+00:00

Lol at this shit.

Women are not our friends.

Women are sexual utilities, nothing more.

Title	Redefining the boundaries: Why weak men think you cant be friends with a woman.
Author	the_Milkweed
Upvotes	25
Comments	78
Date	July 25, 2019 8:00 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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