The Media is not here to help

HabitualRabbit · 2014-05-20T15:21:16+00:00

What? Movies are entertainment. Nothing more, nothing less. What the fuck is an "actual" life if it consists of me cutting out activities that I enjoy? This "Red Pill Spartan" notion pops up from time to time again and I continually ask myself why this would apply to one medium and not another. Should I cut out books as well? Or trips to art galleries? Or concerts? Just because most entertainment is shit doesn't mean I'm going to cut out all of it. 50 Shades of Grey is (apparently) a horrible book, that doesn't mean I'm going to avoid all literature like the plague, either.

Distractions and the imagination fuel our own creativity. Not only that, they also educate us. You're going to interact with people throughout your life and that means sharing their interests. I mean, for fuck's sake: we're not robots.

vandaalen · 2014-05-20T18:01:00+00:00

I threw away my television six years ago when I split up with the mother of my daughter so I could never be tempted to put her in front of the TV because I was too lazy too take care of her. Didn't regret it. Didn't miss a thing.

I kept on watching series and movies I was interested in and played games. I mainly wasted my whole time drinking and doing this shit.

When I made the choice to get in charge again, quit drinking and start educating myself this slowly seiced. I can't be bothered anymore with this stuff. I see no benefit at all and all it does is bore me.

I don't even avoid deliberatly but every time I decide to relax and lay on the bed I have just another documentary, presentation, speech or educational video I wanted to watch for some time but somehow couldn't find the time for and it looks much more exiting to me.

I drink on special occassions and in the aftermath I will try to watch something my puny brain is capable of understanding but I spend more time trying to find something, than actually watching it because I always fall asleep after twenty minutes because I am bored.

I just recently terminated FB from my daily routines and I read very few news. I avoid all massmedia as reading it will only make me go on tilt.

The side effect of this avoidance and self-education is that you really get unplugged and start to see through all the propaganda with all the smoke blown and understand what's really going on. Red flags start to pop up everywhere and what you always considered to be the way it is will vanish and even change to the opposite. I also became much more aware of manipulation attempts in my daily life. This isn't easy by the way as I had to come to the conclusion that I will have to question everything I believed to be my knowledge and the truth. This path also lead me to this place, where I found confirmation of what I knew to be the truth deep down inside from much earlier on.

I heavily recommend this and even think it's mandatory for everybody in search of total freedom for his mind and himself.

tl;dr: Throw away your TV.

comefromspace · 2014-05-20T18:22:14+00:00

Unfortunately western audiences have been grown for many generations to idolize the show business. Could have to do with the lack of family, the lack of community or a distinct culture/religion. The cult of popularity and media is strong, to the point where guys use it literally as a gospel. However it is only a business, and most people in there are shallow as fuck. In the past, societies were guided by religion or any other moral authority, and the Joker was nothing more than a tool used to entertain the king. Today the Joker is king.

There is a value to watching mainstream Media from an anthropological perspective: you find out what people like, what is being shoved down their tiny little brains, what ideology is being subtly implanted in the minds of the minions. If you 're a manipulator, that is valuable information.

Like it or not, though, we live in Mass Society --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_society

ibuprofiend · 2014-05-20T16:19:43+00:00

I think your claim is too strong. I agree that most TV shows and movies extol mainstream (feminist) values, and I agree that watching too much of it will rot your brain. However, film and TV can be legitimate art, and some of it is definitely worth watching. All things in moderation.

through_a_ways · 2014-05-20T18:39:24+00:00

I think there are two fundamental characteristics television/film/literary media can have:

One of them is the quality of providing pure entertainment (whether comedic, intellectual, etc.); the other is the quality of being a vehicle for people to experience life vicariously.

I think these two characteristics can be assigned differently depending on the preferences of the person consuming the media in question. Let me list some examples that apply to me, and you can see if you agree with me at all.

Media I've found to be pure entertainment and nothing else: Beavis and Butthead, South Park, The Boondocks, other "comedic" cartoons, Holes, Primer, Through the Wormhole, comedy films in general, most documentaries, food/cooking shows, nature specials.

Media I've found to have made me prone to living life vicariously: Harry Potter, Naruto, Pokemon, Friends, How I Met Your Mother, 21, animes in general.

Additionally, books like Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey (and basically all romance/sex novels) would apply to the latter category for females.

I'm not sure how I'd explain the difference, but basically the more a plot or setting entices you, and the more you find yourself thinking about it in daily life, the more it fits into the latter category.

Harry Potter is a prime example; fantasy world full of wizards, combined with a grade school education structure to make it extremely relatable to young children. Can anyone who read the books honestly say they didn't spend hours imagining their own Potter-esque universe? Pokemon and Naruto are similar, imo.

I also mention "anime in general" because of the animation style. Anime is designed to be extremely pleasurable to watch, while western cartoons aren't. In my experience, a lot of people are overwhelmed by the enticing look of anime, sometimes to the point that they prefer anime over real life. This happens in the west too, I know I've caught myself wishing as a kid that everything looked like anime, and I suspect it's not a sentiment unique to myself. Also see: escapism in Japan.

The west may not be as big on anime, but they make up for it with crack shows. Usually sitcoms that make you wish your life was more like the one being portrayed, but it can extend beyond sitcoms as well; I suspect shows like Heroes, Lost, and Game of Thrones may qualify for many people (I've never watched these extensively).

Basically, if you find yourself longing for the plot/setting/characters of any piece of media, it fits the category of "vicarious living". I think this may be what OP is trying to get at. I only tend to get "distracted from reality" when the media fits this category. Otherwise, it's an entertaining but forgettable watch for some laughs, or thought provoking content, or appreciation of the natural (read: REAL, and therefore something you can experience IRL) beauty of the earth.

frazzleddd · 2014-05-20T19:56:44+00:00

The term redpill itself comes from a movie for fuck sake. Movies definitely can have important concepts and themes in them pertinent to the real world

ColdEiric · 2014-05-20T21:41:26+00:00

TV and movies are what the roman leaders called 'bread and circus'. It's an useful way to keep the people in good order for hard work.

bradyo2 · 2014-05-20T14:50:38+00:00

I don't understand what you're trying to say?

What's wrong with providing examples of RP through media? I find it entertaining?

In what way does it distract me from reality? As long as I'm not buying into BP shows, (which now that I've swallowed TRP, I'm not), there should be no problem?

It's like you're saying not to watch TV at all, I just don't get this.

bringer_of_fight · 2014-05-20T16:44:17+00:00

Sorry dude I like movies

Ralt · 2014-05-20T16:54:03+00:00

Ah, it's the daily to weekly occurrence of "This one thing is ruining your life". What was last week, masturbation and video games I think?

I work 12 hours a day between my 9 to 5 and my start up business. I work out for an hour and a half every day. Sometimes between 11pm and 12pm I will watch a movie, read a book, play an album, or a play a video game and it will have zero effect on my life whatsoever except letting me relax shortly before sleeping. It is mentally healthy to occasionally kick back and unwind. Whether you do it with a nice scotch and cigar, a movie you're interested in, a good novel from a favourite author, doesn't matter, it's a good idea.

coogzzz · 2014-05-20T17:05:07+00:00

I totally agree. The brain can't determine the difference between the way people should behave in real life and how people behave on TV. If you learn your social skills from TV instead of interacting with real people, there will be problems.

Gstreetshit · 2014-05-20T20:03:22+00:00

I may not agree with everything OP has said. But I think I can get behind parts of the message. To me it almost reads like a warning. Don't waste your time pouring over shows and movies looking for examples of BP or RP behavior. That is a waste of valuable time. You could be doing much more productive things instead.

At the same time though that could be argued for being on this sub, or the internet in general.

I guess ultimately, moderation is key.

Blood_Vaults · 2014-05-21T05:38:15+00:00

Or course not. It's here to control.

Invalidity · 2014-05-20T16:26:50+00:00

But the thing is... a lot of TV shows mimic real life. The problem is not that they are trying to highlight RP philosophy in these shows, but rather, people are only see it for the entertainment value.

Yes, movies, television sitcoms, etc. are all entertaining. But take for instance the show King of Queens. Dominating wife? Emasculated husband? He supplicates to her needs and she walks all over him as she pleases.

Do you know what I take away from that? It's a reflection of the current state of our society. Husbands are looked down upon and ridiculed. Guys watch this show and laugh, and our society as whole is expecting this to be the norm. They are indoctrinating us without even intentionally doing so!

Let me point out other sitcoms to highlight my point: Friends and How I Met Your Mother. They are using bluepill guys to generate humor all the while implying to its audience that this is the norm. They bring in good looking guys with successful careers every now and then who the main female characters flirt with and ogle over, but they satirize everything and have the bluepill guys "win" her over in the end.

I don't believe at all that this was a conspiracy, but rather, they are catering to their audience which is predominantly female. These shows align themselves to the values that the modern female relates to.

NeoBushi · 2014-05-20T17:20:33+00:00

Telling stories have been a part of being human ever since we developed a hyoid bone. Movies are just an evolution of that. The problem is in the message not the medium. Many red pillers are being seduced by neo-luddism because technology has bastardized female-male interaction. Watch a good movie and take a chill pill.

Piroko · 2014-05-20T14:14:22+00:00

I am inclined to agree. Book references are okay, but movie and television sources are ephemeral, continuously seeking an audience. Its not good to indulge them and advertise their message in the now.

If a movie or show is remembered ten years from now then perhaps its message was apt and worthy of note. The Matrix for example. But extolling the latest episode of GoT is just noise.

OHoSPARTACUS · 2014-05-20T18:49:33+00:00

I agree and disagree. Sure, there is tons of shows and music and other arts sending very bp messages and you should definitely focus more on yourself than distractions, but there are plenty of stories and movies and messages out there we can watch or listen to and apply those messages to our lives. Isolating yourself from your environment and other ideas is unhealthy.

2014-05-20T19:18:34+00:00

Who actually thinks that RP ideas would exist in the mainstream media?

PBRistasty · 2014-05-20T19:43:29+00:00

Dead fucking on...visual media's primary goal is to engender as large an audiance as possible for commercial exploitation. theres nothing wrong with that, but see it for what it is.

Literary material, at it's heart, is meant to tell a story. Big big difference.

Maeth2501 · 2014-05-20T20:08:17+00:00

It feels like Tyler Durden in Fight Club. Thank you for that my friend.

Fun fact: A movie called "Requiem for a dream" (must watch) shows both how drugs and TV creates the same addiction on their users and end up with similar terrible effects.

It's been 10 years that I stopped watching television. It just went naturally. When I get somewhere and TV is turned on, I quickly feel very tensed, nervous and anxious, all my body simply rejects it and want it to be turned off.

We do agree that TV is basically used as another tools to enslave the mob which is looking at the left hand of the Powerfull when they execute their willingness with their right one.

Simply, their is always exceptions. Some very rare movies or documentaries (that you refer to "art" in your post), still teach us constructive things, give us some inspiration, or can participate to our growth. Once in a while, 2 or 3 times a year I go to Cinema and watch some movie, often adaptation from awesome Book I red.

It's just like internet: a lot of shit to keep us enslaved by our frustration: porn and all this stuff coming along it. But there is also TRP ;)

Xiudo · 2014-05-20T21:58:39+00:00

The Matrix has RedPill truth, Just sayin'

cascadecombo · 2014-05-21T03:43:13+00:00

This is pretty on point. For the most part the media is selling us what we want to see. Selling us something to kill our time and only that. Why else would we have to see whatever that show was that had snookie or whatever that ugly mousebeast was for several seasons / in the news.

With anything that is entertaining, it's a common thing to see different groups influence exerted in every kind of media. Could be menial things, small things, our the outright message of whatever our attention is being poured into, but it still stands that just like who you spend your time with, what you spend your time watching will start to shape how you think and act.

After moving around a lot I've stopped keeping televisions and to be honest, I couldn't have been happier with that decision. While I still devote more of my time than I would like to admit to video games ( possibly between 4-8 hours a week) I shudder to think what my time logged was before when I would just watch hours upon hours of television a day.

GushyWetWet15 · 2014-05-21T14:31:50+00:00

nahh dont think so jeff. i fucking love my shows like game of thrones, breaking bad and true detective. if it's "beta" to watch these shows then consider me the biggest beta of all time. a few hours a week to kick back and chill/relax while watching some good tv should hardly be considered beta.

also it's shitposts like this that makes everyone else think this sub is a fucking joke. take me back to a year ago where TRP had less than 5k subs and was actually filled with quality content, not now where it's plagued with a bunch of butthurt morons like op who care about if guys watch tv in their spare time. seriously it's more pathetic that you're the one here who's trying to chastise anyone who watches tv or a movie

diablomalambero · 2014-05-22T00:20:24+00:00

The media and professional sports (sorry my brothers and I love the NFL!) are some of the biggest tools and propaganda devices of the Blue Pill set!

joe_bruised_ego · 2014-05-23T06:47:35+00:00

This is conspiracy theory level stuff right here. You’re literally advocating confirmation bias and ignoring media because you think it will brainwash you.

All art is a mixture of observation and fantasy- some will depict reality more accurately than others.

Mortos3 · 2014-05-25T00:02:12+00:00

I think a better response would be to think when you watch something, and learn to recognize what is true and good and what is not. Yes, most popular media is misleading and bad, and it's a bad idea to just turn on a tv and watch whatever's on without thinking, but that doesn't mean you should never watch another movie/show/etc again. There are plenty of music, movies, shows, and other media out there which are not mainstream and don't push popular philosophies. Most media is somewhere in between, of course, and that is why we must develop discernment rather than just blindly push away from all media.

Also, the notion of cutting artistic things completely out of your life is ridiculous. The various forms that Art takes on are not evil in and of themselves, since they are essentially vehicles of communication and can be used for many different things. As someone else pointed out, it would be pretty idiotic to recommend never reading a book again.

fakepizza · 2014-05-20T17:47:19+00:00

I second this. Stop watching TV, you expose yourself to social engineering.

Keep seeing blondes paired with blacks on TV? It's being intentionally done to demoralize you. Keep seeing husbands being emasculated by wives on TV? It's being intentionally done to beta-ize you.

BelievableEscort · 2014-05-20T15:11:25+00:00

I almost totally agree, no songs or movies are really worth the little RP content they contain nowadays simply because they are either controlling your mood (you should control your own mood) or distracting you from your ability to improve yourself too much with fantasies.

But will say that I do tend to watch some pop media every now and then to get an up to date idea of what is considered virtuous by BP standards. And to understand what level of attraction/contrast is needed to be built between the character and the audience before any RP behaviour becomes acceptable.

Never watch news or any tv for entertainment value - ever (mute/freezeframe the ads if you must watch tv). Always be en guard analytically.

Joelasaur · 2014-05-21T12:01:33+00:00

I've been reading a lot of stuff here, and I like most of it, but this post is really dumb. You can try to be the greatest man you can be all on your own, which IS great, but one can only get so far. Sharing experiences and learning from others' stories has been central to humanity since the beginning of time. Throwing all of it away because a good chunk of it sucks is the dumbest thing I've read yet today.

The Media is not here to help

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Title	The Media is not here to help
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