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Who’s your daddy? Study on genetic testing says parents don’t need to know | Al Jazeera America

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June 23, 2014
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Title Who’s your daddy? Study on genetic testing says parents don’t need to know | Al Jazeera America
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Date June 23, 2014 8:28 PM UTC
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[–][deleted] 38 points39 points40 points 12 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Fucking disgusting. The fact that they have the audacity to bring in fucking "switched at birth" bizarro stories as equivalent to dubious paternity shows how deeply unqualified they are to be "ethicists".

Fortunately, the can of worms is open, and cannot be shut. Any man with doubt and a minimum of common sense can send off for a DNA test.

[–]Sleep-less 24 points25 points26 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

If I have kids I'm ordering paternity tests for each child, no matter what.

[–]IamAwaken 22 points22 points22 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Seriously don't understand how every single man doesn't feel this way. What happens when the kid is 18 and looks nothing like his dad. Then you decide to just check so you can shut everyone up. Then you realize you've spent 18 years raising another man's son with your whore wife.

Better safe than sorry.

Ironically this is one of the worst nightmares for most men. However, it's also the most common nightmare that occurs in society. Meaning more common than things like death, mutilation, rape, etc.

Why the hell isn't this a crime!? Seriously this should be a crime.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I honestly don't understand how this doesn't already fall under fraud. Someone convinced you to pay for something under false pretenses.

[–]vax0r976 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It should be a crime absolutely. Its Paternal fraud. However keep in mind the children in these scenarios are also victims. I wouldn't say unknowingly raising some other person's child is a waste either if you come to love that child and raise he or she as your own.Family is more than just blood after all. None the less there should be legal consequences for a woman who commits paternal fraud.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its not a waste to invest in a child where you KNOW that they arent yours.

Its a fucking travesty to do it without knowing.

[–]wearing_yoga_pants 13 points13 points13 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Before TRP, I would have seen this as an insult if my future husband were to ask for it. After discovering TRP and realizing how often women pull ridiculous shit, I don't see it as a personal affront because I would know beyond the shadow of a doubt that my child is MY child. I fucking gave birth to it. Evolutionarily, men can't ever fully know with complete confidence if a child is theirs or not, and I can't imagine being a man and having that question in the back of my mind each time I looked at my kid, no matter how much I loved and trusted my SO

[–]1FloranHunter 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It still shocks me that most women lack the empathy to realize how big a deal paternity is to men precisely because we really can't know. The selective pressure has got to have had some effect on us at a genetic level since paternity has been relevant for our species' entire existence. And even if it didn't, it's hugely relevant to each man's legacy.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It still shocks me that most women lack the empathy to realize how big a deal paternity is to men precisely because we really can't know.

That's a huge problem - that many if not most women display a serious lack of empathy towards specific problems that pretty much only affect men.

Which wouldn't be so bad if they wouldn't expect us to be super-considerate of their problems and if they wouldn't behave as if it wasn't a big deal, but instead would accept that they simply can't relate to it, but that it's bad enough for us to make us worried.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The word is "gyno-centric paradigm." It is what Western Civ currently suffers from.

[–]hermit087 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It should be a legal requirement before your name gets put on the birth certificate.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I already tested both my kids the day they came home from the hospital.

Of course, they were a match.

Told my wife I was going to do it too.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Told my gf I would do the same. Had to spend 15 minutes dodging shit tests with a laugh and a smile.

[–]AnotherLostCause 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Switched at birth is easy to prove. Moms DNA will be different too. This faux ethics is about allowing women to slut it up and use fraud to make a man who isnt the father pay for it. It should come with jail time equal to that for rape and full restitution plus interest plus compensation for the time he lost out on spending with his own child.

[–]solarDrive 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Important difference between being switched at birth and cuckoldry; in one case you do have a child (& genetic legacy) and the possibility of being reunited, in the other you have... nothing.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Fortunately, the can of worms is open, and cannot be shut. Any man with doubt and a minimum of common sense can send off for a DNA test.

Unless you live in France. The paradise for alpha fux beta bux sluts

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The legal validity of a self-collected DNA test is one thing. So long as you have physical access to the child, no law can physically stop you from swabbing a sample, sending it and yours off for testing, and getting your result. What the next step is, depends on your jurisdiction.

(Also, as I understand it, from available data, the rate of cuckoldry even amongst suspicious alleged father is something like 20-30% or less. So, while, in aggregate that means a lot of guys, the odds are a test is only going to confirm a guy’s paternity.)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No, but they can put you in prison for it.

Maximum sentence in france for conducting a test without a court order - 1 Year in prison and/or upto E15,000 fine.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That’s sickening.

However, so long as you don’t get caught... You just blame your doubts on unspecified birds whispering in your ear.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Your doubts aren't gonna count for much when the court refuses to sanction a legit test because feelz

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, obviously, if the court refuses to sanction a legit test, you’re fucked. If that is the state of affairs in France now, then French men can thank themselves if they don’t get organized and do something about it.

Where I live, a dispute over paternity will yield a court sanctioned test, and there has, of yet, not been any rumblings about changing that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's basically France right now yeah.

Unless you've got a fucking good reason (Hint: Not wanting to pay child support for someone else's kid isn't a good reason in this context) you aren't getting one. You simply have no right to know as a man

[–]CokeandGrappa 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

NOPE.

Here in switzerland you CANT dna your kids unless you have written consent from the mother. Another swiss scandal law. Obviously ... there are workarounds. But since your evidence is illegal it wont be considered by courts. I wonder how many cuckolded husbands will have to shoot their wifes before this changes.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For now.

Take a look at France if you want to see where the world is headed.

[–]trajanconquers89 32 points33 points34 points 12 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Considering the fact that cuckolding men has historically been a female strategy, I find it odd that the male author of this article chose to consult women almost exclusively--that's like writing a piece about environmental issues but only consulting industrialists and mining CEOs. This is just terrible journalism.

Number of female vs male sources used in the article

Women

  • Autumn Fiester
  • Gail Herman
  • Kathy Kinlaw
  • Juli Bollinger
  • Madhuri Hedge
  • Ada Hamosh

Men

  • Arthur Caplan

[–]TangoAlphaBravo 34 points35 points36 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Thats because modern journalism starts with the conclusion and then does the analysis, you can find this dynamic in most publications, even supposedly serious ones like the economist.

Even more, you can find this dynamic in science too sometimes.

[–]Ochreata 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Even more, you can find this dynamic in science too sometimes.

Actually quite often. Anything else that brings up information contrary to "settled science" gets a hatchet job from the journal editors....

[–]1Gavlan_Wheel 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Anything else that brings up information contrary to "settled science" gets a hatchet job from the journal editors....

Yeah the genders and races being exactly the same in all respects is "settled science".

In race realist circles, questioning global warming is very prevalent and I can't blame them. By lying and obfuscating the truth about one subject makes people wary of trusting other subjects.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Precisely what makes me distrust scientists.

I mean i recognize that science in its purest form, is invariably going to be the answer to all the big questions in the world, but not until its being conducted without bias and vested interests.

And for as long as science costs money, that is never going to happen.

[–]1Gavlan_Wheel 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And for as long as science costs money, that is never going to happen.

And as long as there are consequences for finding the "wrong" answer. Jason Richwine was fired for writing his PhD dissertation on the IQ of Hispanic migrants to the US when he graduated from Harvard. Oops, you can't talk about that. Better fire him! We all know IQ is just a racist construct made by evil whitey to make sun people look bad! Steven Hawking says anyone who cares about IQ is stupid, so there!

[–]1whatsazipper 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Frequently in science. The implementation still relies on humans, after all.

[–]1neveragoodtime 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've never heard of an ethics panel recommending withholding the truth under any circumstances. He went in for a cancer screening and we found an STD, but let's not tell him because it might embarrass his girlfriend. Any ethics that advocates doctors' nondisclosure of truth is total BS.

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 25 points26 points27 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is a long-winded way of people saying "Don't tell fathers when their kids are not theirs, as disclosed by genetic testing." The fig-leaf of discussing switched birth incidents is included, but that is such a rare occurrence, I discounted it as a real consideration.

Because you know that if there was a 3-10% rate of children being switched on mothers in the emergency room, as there seems to be for fathers deceived about paternity, women would be screaming for mandatory assurance testing for newborns they take home. Oh, and someone else would pay for it.

[–]Ymeynotu 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

3-10%? Isn't it in the 30%'s?

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For guys who test it, yes, but that sample is obviously skewed by the self-selection of people with suspicions to begin with.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That was fantastic, nearly split down my sides laughing.

Just imagine that lying, cheating, she-ass with a faux thoughtful look on her face, hamstering: "as a society we must universally stop the harms that are... occurring... think of the children..."

That's right sweetie, let us stop the harms, that's why you get to vote and influence such things, so that the harms brought on by the fucking truth about you hitting men in their face can be universally stopped...

It's for the greater good, come on fellas...

[–]1whatsazipper 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Whenever someone pulls that "greater good" bullshit, they're trying to manipulate you into supporting a position that's against your interests but just so happens to coincide with theirs.

Yes, yes. Men should have no reproductive freedoms, and yet always be on the hook, for the greater good. Sounds like a swell plan.

What? Something else is ought to be taken from me to 'better' society?

Don't think they'll have many volunteers to put out the fire after a while.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Whenever someone pulls that "greater good" bullshit, they're trying to manipulate you into supporting a position that's against your interests but just so happens to coincide with theirs.

Reminds me of a saying by Carl Schmitt (yes, an unsavoury source, but this one is golden): Whoever invokes humanity wants to cheat.

[–]cyber_rigger 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

ethicists are struggling with the issues of how to present the new information to patients and whether certain findings should be presented at all.

That "information" is about the mom --- not the kids.

[–]1FloranHunter 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it were about the kids then they'd absolutely disclose for 1) medical reasons and 2) so each kid has a shot at knowing their genetic father.

[–]gohammer3 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Its fucking ridiculous that men are forced to pay child support no matter what but paternity testing is not mandatory.

[–]Mr-Euffreducci 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is medical ethics is it?

[–]TangoAlphaBravo 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

If somebody wants to know if a child is theirs, all they need is a hair of the child and go to a genetic lab.

[–]PolegarVermelho7 points 12 years ago* [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Not so easy if you live in France or Germany. [1]

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_testing#France

[–]legauge 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Take a trip to the UK. That's the fun part of living in Europe, everything's packed jam-tight together.

[–]hermit087 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I read somewhere they are trying to find ways to crack down on that even.

[–]neurosurg 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's so horrible. So it's perfectly okay and even celebrated for a woman to kill the child growing inside of her, but a father doesn't have a right to know if the child is biologically his own? Makes my blood fucking boil. Just wait, in 5 years they'll be calling for this policy in the U.S.

[–]JohnGalt316 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

sickening

doctors are trying to avoid an uncomfortable situation just because the parents aren't the patient

[–]vax0r976 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How about we just push law makers to criminalize paternity fraud instead?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The answer is simple: anyone contributing a DNA sample for testing is asked at the time they submit the sample, whether or not they would wish to know if an issue of non-parentage arises. It's no more difficult than adding a disclosure to the consent form "letting the parents of patients know that these facts can generally be found in the course of a test but will not be revealed to them."

[–]BoTuLoX 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

by Joseph Brownstein

/pol/ is always right.

Wait, wrong site.

[–]dreamssmelllikeyou 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Come on, this is beta talk! Who will raise your alpha kids, if every beta knows you fucked his wife? This will result in YOUR kids having messed up families and difficulties growing up, not to mention fewer alphas in the long run. So it's not only bad for your progeny, it's bad for the whole humanity, you high value male, you.

So hush things up and downvote this post into oblivion. A lot of alpha journalists, doctors and many others are doing their best to avoid this problem and, if they fail, make it look like the slutty females were to blame all along, so do your part.

/insert appropriate intent here, depending on your desired viewpoint

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

dna test should be standard at birth, its very important for men and women

[–]kanaduhisfruityeh 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Things like this make marriage an unattractive proposition.

[–]f3yleaf 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

DNA test should be mandatory to get a birth certificate imho.

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