Asked for commitment mid sex.

redhorndog · 2020-11-08T17:16:05+00:00

Plate is broken. Last three months because of corona it was just her coming over. She would bring a pizza/takeout or we would watch netflix a bit and then...

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Do you listen to birds chirping and try to discern reason and usefulness from it? Actually, you might be able to, birds follow patterns. But it would take months, if not years of time invested to get, by all practical definitions, useless information.

What women say can be broken down into 2 categories.

Statements that contain facts. Statements that contain opinions.

Their statements that contain facts can be listened to and information gleaned from. For example, where they work, what their education level is, etc.

Their statements that contain opinions can for the vast majority simply be ignored. Female opinon is fleeting and changes like the weather, and frequently what they do will be vastly different from what they say.

"I don't like anal" just means that at this moment they don't. But 25 minutes later when they meet up with a high SMV male and don't have their judgemental friends around, they fire up the Chocolate Fondoo Freeway and now at this particular moment they do like anal.

All you need to know on female opinion can be understood from AWALT.

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I disagree. Here's why.

Fat chicks? I don't like to fuck them, let alone do oral or anything else with them. It grosses me out at a primal level, I can't explain why. But receive a blowjob? Oh yes. No problem.

Ultra hot 9 or 10? Not gonna lie I eat their assholes and I don't even know why I like doing it. I'd never do that with lesser hot chick.

Yeah, it's like that, but for women. With different chicks you'd be into different stuff.

Most women will do anal. Most women will cum from anal. The decider is how high she perceives your SMV and your success in communicating that anal/bj/rimjob would improve your opinion of her.

Girls that haven't done that kinda stuff before? They will do it too. Be a man and tell them you want them to do it. Then let them know that what they are doing is making you feel wonderful and that they are "so sexy right now" (or whatever words work for you).

You can train her to do it every time. Don't be a bitch though. Don't talk about how great it was later. Don't talk about it at all afterwards. Give her nonverbal rewards to reinforce her good behavior, don't tell her why, let it all be subconscious.

Her hamster will spin and think things like:

("He rubs my back and shoulders after sex whenever we do anal, but he doesn't talk about it, he must be used to it and really enjoys it, I enjoy it too and even if I don't the backrub is great, so yeah I like anal")

Bunch of other shit you can do but that's the gist of it.

So anyways, that girl that says she'd never do anal and doesn't give blowjobs? She's not lying. She just doesn't have sex with high SMV men very often. If Liam Hemsworth matched with her on Tinder she'd eat his asshole while getting plowed up her own poopchute by a small army of his C-list friends.

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I agree with everything that you’re saying, especially the whole “If it were Brad Pitt” test that we talk about here quite often.

However, all I was doing was repeating something that I’ve heard here before that is A. Funny and B. I believe to be a least partly true. Think about it, if you’re going to have sex with a girl (that’s not a virgin) she’s always down for PIV, the other stuff is extra. Ya, girls will suck your dick in the bar bathroom and not fuck you there but I’m not talking about the reverse, I’m talking about when it’s clear that you’re going to be fucking. While most of them (and us) understand BJs are just part of the whole deal, it’s not guaranteed with all girls. Some even do it but without any enthusiasm and I know you know what I’m talking about (i.e., some girls give amazing head and others it’s relatively lame—compared to the great ones.) And also it has nothing to do with me because I’m good looking, extremely fit, and have a 1/100,000 dick. Maybe they are motivated to give us BJs because we’re alpha af or we’re Brad Pitt. However, they don’t all want it to be part of the deal (e.g., low enthusiasm BJs.) Think about dead bedrooms with older couples or whatever. Lot of those guys still get PIV (albeit rarely) but BJs are generally even more rare, I recall jokes in movies about “getting a BJ once a year on their birthday” sort of thing.

That’s all I was saying. Also, I have too much time on my hands right now and have been snooping on FDS too much because I genuinely find it really funny. The shit they say is so outlandish that it’s just interesting, in part because I believe a lot of them are alpha widows. That being said, the consensus with those girls (all 100K plus of them) is that they don’t like giving head or getting anal.

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You're partly right.

It's not all about you. It's just mostly about you.

For all intents and purposes I'm not going to doubt anything you said about yourself. Let's assume its all true and you are a high SMV dude with a great dick.

Your game is not perfect 100% of the time with every girl. Your circumstances do not impress every girl. Your attitude may be different with this particular girl. Your physical features, while universally attractive, are not perfect to every girl.

For example, you might think a girl is way beneath you. Maybe she's chubby. Maybe she has fucked up teeth or lopsided tits. Whatever. She's hot enough to bang, but you'd never stick around. Well because of this maybe your vibe is off. Maybe she can sense that she's disposable to you and this makes her feel bad. A lot of women with different history get off on being used like a disposable flesh light, while some just shut down. But that's on you for misreading her and putting out the wrong vibe.

Now part of it is about her.

Being the 81st dick she's sucked, isn't going to excite that many girls unless she thinks she landed herself a real prize.

She might be having stomach cramps. She might have chronic stomach problems because she has a shitty American girl diet and eats "gluten free" so most of her intestines are inflamed from a high consumption of corn and soy products.

But most of it most of it is you. There are always rare exceptions, just remember AWALT.

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Haha you’re a smart guy and I agree with most of what you said once again. However, how do you explain that some girls give better BJs than others (assuming MY SMV/vibe is exactly equal with both girls)? I’m sure you have a best BJ and worst BJ girl. What you’re saying makes sense but I guess you put it all on our SMV/vibe/all of what you stated and not at all on her inherent BJ giving skills. I guess a lot of it might be dependent on the guy who is receiving the BJ and how he makes her feel, but your theory isn’t controlling for a girl’s skill (and even genuine desire) for giving head. I guess your theory is true excluding the fact that some girls give better/worse head or are more/less enthusiastic about giving head simply because that’s on them.

Basically, imo, bad BJ girl can’t suck Brad Pitt’s dick better than my best BJ girl can suck mine, despite Brad Pitt having a way higher SMV and vibe. I’m sure that this is where we differ in opinion but your take on SMV/vibe is definitely at least partly true.

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It's not wrong unless you make them feel wrong about it.

Their rectum isn't special. Their mouth isn't special. I mean obviously their pussy isn't special if they easily give that out so why the rest?

Because feels. Because leverage. Because your SMV isn't high enough to get free sex, so she wants to be paid for it in some form of comittment.

Just about all men like fucking women up the ass. And pretty much 100% of men enjoy blowjobs. Women know this. Its not hard to figure out.

They are also good at sensing your feelings about those things. If you place them on a pedestal and bitchfoot around them, they know that those are things that you are willing to pay for.

All women are whores for a combination of 4 things, or 4 reasons why they do certain sexual acts

Money/resources
high value sperm (what they perceive as good genetics regardless of if true... Perception is king here)
feels (they want to feel good, dopamine, brain self reward system)
comittment and companionship (this is similar to money except its equal parts your time effort)

Assume all sexual intercourse is a transaction. What are you paying with?

If your SMV is ultra high and you handle women well, she will get feels and potentially high quality sperm from you. She will do everything, for otherwise free.

If your SMV is high but you are shit with women and don't provide the feels, well, now she is going to need something to make up for that in the transaction. Thats goung to be your comittment or your money.

But what does a woman have to offer you so she can extract her benefit from the transaction? Not much. Pussy is practically free in these modern times.

So if you make a big deal about blowjobs and anal, guess what? She will too. Because she knows she can use these to increase her benefit from the sex transaction.

Now why would a girl have preconceived notions about this if you've only just started seeing her? She's fucked a lot of other men who put anal and blowjobs on a pedestal. She was trained by them that these things are valuable. These previous men paid her for them with time or comittment or something else, probably extravagantly. That means for you, getting those things from her for free is going to be a little harder. Not impossible, but harder.

Is it worth bothering? Sure. It's not hard to attempt. Just be outcome independent. If she does anal and blowjobs for free at your request, great. If she doesn't, well that's not a surprise. Try again later.

If after a few attempts by you still don't get the results you want. Stop. Move on. Improve your SMV and your game. You'll get anal once both are good enough.

Side rant

i hate it when people say "game." There's a lot of clueless mother fuckers that post on TRP and pickup groups saying how important "game" is but those ignorant fuckwits don't even know what "game" is.

"Game" is your social comfort of dealing with women in a sexual context and bringing up kinks like anal. This takes experience, just keep talking to women and sleeping with women, you will get it with experience. Start ugly and work your way to hottie's if you need to.

This also includes overall social comfort, which again requires experience. Nobody was born able to negotiate like Andrew Carnegie, it had to be learned from experience. You can read books, you can read TRP. Sure that helps, but not really, not at all actually, unless you are going out and meeting with people and getting experience.

Its like taking a weight lifting class and reading fitness guides and then claiming to be buff. If you aren't physically on the gymset lifting on a regular basis, you ain't shit. Reading ain't doing shit for you if you aren't lifting.

The books will help you do it right tho, and improve faster. There is form of weightlifting that hasn't already been tried and tested. You're not inventing something in the unknown. Don't leave it to trial and error, but that would be preferable to waiting to start doing it. The most important thing is taking physical action.

That's also how "game" is. You need to be exercising your social skills on a regular basis to get good. Like the gym, expect to suck and be weak at first.

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There's a lot to unpack here.

I think you, like many others here, are a victim of the gross oversimplification of these things that is rampant in these parts of the web.

The women do lose 'relationship points' by having an exorbitant amount of sex, yes; as do men; and I won't argue with the fact that the number in which women begin to lose value on this attribute is lower than a man's, however, there are a few things to consider here:

Firstly, outside of a long-term relationship (where several factors will change) women want to have sex as much as men do. They are not quite as horny as men, but they require more attention and validation than men do, and sex is a strong source of these for them.

Secondly, as I mentioned before, the loss of value really only occurs after a certain threshold. This will vary by the man who is making the judgment, but I think in modern society, it is extremely rare to ever expect that a woman is a virgin, and so as long as her n count is under 10, a vast majority of men will not think twice about it at all. She won't lose value on the surface level, only in psychological damage to her pair-bonding ability, etc; which brings me to the next part...

We need to get into some dynamics because it is important here. The fundamental principle states that women are the gatekeepers of sex, and men are the gatekeepers of relationships.

However, if she sees Chad, she will fuck, and won't care one bit about whatever "slut points" she is accruing. She has succeeded, sexually, and fulfilled her primal role. She will also accept that he won't be in a relationship with her. It would almost be a shame for her if he did. She needs him to keep his mystique and sexual power.

No, the "don't use me for sex" strategy is mainly for betas, as women see them as long-term, and do NOT see Chad this way.

So when a woman is afraid she will be used for sex, it is because of this very principle. It is not because she doesn't want to have continued casual sex, it is because she wants the attention, validation, and all of the material and hormonal benefits that come from her being in a relationship with a beta provider, and she can sense his desire for her sexually, and so will use that to manipulate him for her benefit. Don't get me wrong, she is likely still very attracted to the beta and enjoys sex with him, but it's running on a different protocol for her than Chad does. It would be in her most selfish interest to extract as many resources as possible while dangling the sex in front of his face. She gives up a measure of her power to the beta when she opens her legs, and if she is interested in a relationship, she does risk opening her gate without him opening his. However, again, there are several things to look at here.

For one, I think there is a massive misconception in Red Pill about how much modern women want to be in committed relationships, or "need men".

Back in the days of traditional western relationships, it wouldn't have been so far-fetched for a man to court a woman without fucking her, and be fairly confident in the prospect that she'd reward him for doing so and be a loyal partner once they did finally make the leap, and she could rest easy knowing that he'd be pretty likely to take care of her and provide everything she wanted from a man in a relationship. Those days are long, long gone.

Modern women are not willing to be celibate until a man enters a relationship with her. This is an extreme minority of women who do this, and for the reasons I mentioned in my last post, it simply doesn't work in today's climate. It shows a complete lack of awareness for how things operate.

She wants to fuck before there's a relationship. She not only wants the resources he can provide, but to make sure that they are sexually compatible as well before making any sort of commitment. Knowing that she won't be committed until they have sex, a modern man would be a complete fool to play the waiting game and open his gate before she opened hers. This actually reminds me of another good point that is wildly misrepresented on red-pill and in general:

Men are more likely to commit early on than a woman is. He does want to fuck lots of women, of course. That will never change. But I would wager than a vast majority of men would enter into a relationship with a girl they really hit it off with and stay committed much earlier than a modern woman would. She is presented with constant attention and validation, and choices....from other men. A man has to actually do some work for this, even Chad, so he is less likely to keep doing it again and again without rest. She, however, hardly has to do anything at all. She is bombarded with opportunities that she only need nod her head to and be whisked away down another adventurous path.

This gives her both the sexual and the relationship advantage, especially when you consider that women are less devastated in the long term by LTR breakups. They get over it much quicker than men.

Furthermore, the pump-and-dump men you speak of are pretty rare unless the two people just didn't have all that much chemistry or they met in a purely sexual environment like a club or Tinder, etc. If she is mostly hanging around sexual environments, getting picked up, and then complaining about commitment, then her problem is not the way the current social dynamics are operating, it is that she is retarded.

I'll admit that my personal experience probably isn't a very good case study for this, as I have always been really selective with women, and only progress past one interaction if there's actually a really strong connection there. I've never, ever just fucked some girl that I wasn't that into just because I was horny. On occasions where it was really casual and I just picked up on the night, it was still clear that we were both lusting for each other very intensely, and usually would keep seeing each other after that, or at minimum were mutual and communicative about what the situation was. However, I can see how if you just wanted to get your rocks off and decided to lower your standards for a minute, how a pump-and-dump scenario could happen and would indeed be shitty if the chick was thinking she had a shot at a relationship with you; but this is her fault again for punching above her weight and thinking it was going to last.

But this is not a scenario that is exclusive to women.

The exact same burn happens to men when they aren't super high SMV but always go for 10s. Sure, they'll get lucky from time to time, but that bitch is not going to be loyal because she's out of your league and she knows it.

If there was less entitlement and more awareness of everyone's needs, the types of problems you mention would not be issues.

So, clearly this is too big of a topic to get through in one reply, and I'm out of time anyway, so I'll have to leave you with that.

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Title	Asked for commitment mid sex.
Author	redhorndog
Upvotes	129
Comments	76
Date	November 8, 2020 5:16 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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