Blue pill envy....

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forsleepssake · 2015-12-08T07:56:49+00:00

The other thing I have been wondering is whether our sample of women is flawed.

This scares me often. The longer I'm here the more I notice that the girls I'm attracting with these tactics are into the kinds of guys who are more sexually aggressive. These women have a bit more "spine" and seem to live with a little more abandon. They glorify the party lifestyle, even if they don't live it themselves. However, I can't tell if it's the women that have changed, or just my perspective.

Was it that I didn't see this in my girlfriends before? Or is it that I'm really attracting a different subset of women? Would I have been better off long-term waiting around sexless for a woman who was perfectly happy with little beta me, or is AWALT really true? We've seen AWALT, but have we really proved it's every woman, or just the women we run into in our new social circles?

We have this tendency to assume TRP is true, and when we fail it's a break in frame, but maybe that was the symptom, not the cause. Maybe the frame broke because we realized that this girl really didn't want to cheat on her beta boyfriend, and eventually the frame just had to break, because your attitude was not going to undo 5 years of oxytocin pair bonding. The thing is, I'd like to think that the new me could snag a very nice, quiet, innocent girl, even if she had a beta boyfriend. Basically, I think my new self could steal my old self's girlfriend in a second. My instincts tell me that I can, but could it be any girl? It would be a girl with unrealized capacity to slut out. I know I can't steal some Indian girl away from her super beta Indian boyfriend of 9 years just by lifting and swooping in with confidence. Yeah, maybe the right guy could, but he may be nearly impossible to find. Who is really more secure in their relationship, the alpha whose gf is very susceptible to other alphas, or the beta whose gf has the capacity for deep investment in a relationship? Honestly I'd so much rather be the beta. Being alpha is exhausting.

exon_2048 · 2015-12-08T09:13:51+00:00

Try reading /r/marriedredpill and its sidebar. It may address your concerns better.

The trick is to demonstrate positive traits from both beta and alpha scale and avoid negative ones from either.

E.g. for alpha: be strong and dominant, but don't be a thug or demonstrate aggressive behavior. For beta: It's fine to be a provider for the household or take care of some chores, as long as you're happy with the arrangement and it's your decision. It's not good, if you fail to lead, let her tell you what to do or seek validation from her.

Rayjaysdick · 2015-12-08T07:02:18+00:00

Adopting RP ideology won't make your relationships magically work, infact, it will teach you that Disney relationships don't exist.

Of course RP men and alphas get cheated on - AWALT. But being RP gets you comfortable with the true nature of women so it doesn't destroy you when it happens.

ThrowThisOneInTheBin · 2015-12-08T08:10:58+00:00

All I know is that my ex wanted everything I'm trying to become even if she didn't know it. Thinking back she hinted at it multiple times when we were together and I was completely blue. I have a close friend who is completely aware of what she wants in a man and that's also aligned with what I'm trying to become. That's only a sample set of 2 but everything I observe in the world now says RP is true.

druganswer · 2015-12-08T15:44:56+00:00

When you're in a LTR the guy doesn't even have to be better, he just has to be different. Alpha guys get cheated on, beta guys get cheated on... you're just much more likely to get cheated on if you slip to the beta side.

Women try to lock down a relationship, and the second they get it locked down they lose attraction (whether alpha or beta... a mono relationship is by definition beta). They're like the ultimate consumer; they want want want. But even that Ferrari you drive by each day and covet with all your heart wouldn't be as special to you two years down the road.

And sure, we could compare it to a favorite purse or something. She might LOVVEEE her pink Coach, and she most definitely will never get rid of it... but don't fool yourself into believing she's going to wear it every day.

Then you can go on and ask why men aren't like this. And really, we are too... RP likes to pretend men have morals and shit, but honestly the difference is: Women have sex on tap like it's water. They might not actively seek out strange dick in a relationship if it took a lot of work, but it doesn't. If you had 9s and 10s throwing their pussy at you all day every day, you tell me how easy it would be to sustain your mono relationship.

innergametrumpsall · 2015-12-08T14:27:42+00:00

There is a degree of truth to both sides here. I've written before that hypergamy needs to have a positive ROI for the woman in order to engage in it with frequency. Most women are not stupid, so some of them figure out that there is a difference between attention a man shows and interest in a relationship.

So imagine you're SMV4 right? What are your branch swinging options? Not much. You got this sappy guy that doesn't really make you all that wild but he treats you like a goddess, he's SMV3. She starts getting attention by SMV6 guy with a much better job.

Here's the thing though. This woman is the AFC of women. She knows that she could risk what she has and fall into what used to be called "the pit" and not become INCEL, but the female equivalent. She could fall into an area where her only option is to be the slut, and NOT in the glamorous CC type of way but the girl that fucks losers hoping she can help him get a job. That kind of girl.

Above SMV5 it's about "westernization." It has to be introduced to a woman and she needs to work her way into hypergamy. She needs a taste of what it is, how easy it is and needs to be able to judge her returns. This is conscious decision she needs to make.

Thing is though, not all women make that decision, or life circumstances prevent this from happening. The ones that don't, become "unicorns." Anecdotally I expect about 2-5% of the female population to be of this subgroup.

There's also a "temporary" NAWALT group which is really just women self deceiving themselves. These are women who date men who are non-threatening because they are risk-averse. These are the ones posting about "my gamer dude." Most of these stories are just Chads who haven't learned that they're Chad. So you can disregard these stories of 6'4" "betas" or "extremely attractive betas" from these women. But you can find some pretty loser esk dudes with say SMV5 women who work really hard for that SMV5. Crazy makeup, died hair, piercings, eccentric hobbies etc. These women will stay with a beta guy and convince themselves its what they want, they will have a crisis when they meet someone who isn't beta. They will either self destruct the relationship, cheat or outright leave. They will then try to assess beta values to this guy and claim that's what they've always wanted. They will say he's "charming" when they mean he's bold. They'll say he's "passionate" when they mean he's sexually experienced etc.

You see hypergamy and branch swinging is risk neutral risk orientation. It requires an investment in that lifestyle, a choice. CC riding and betting against the wall is a risk loving lifestyle.

The whole insane sexual domination angle is BS, you can talk to any guys that get it in MRP. When you're having sex almost every day you need variety, that's just the name of the game.

Long story short though, for women that are attractive AWALT is almost universally true above SMV5 w/ the exception of unicorns, which are about 2-5% of the population.

So if you read a story about "NAWALT" ask the woman if her boyfriend is

Very attractive
Tall
Sexually experienced
Has female interest in him

Most of the time yes yes yes yes (Chad).

If this fails, you can assume she's less than SMV5 or again deceiving herself (which will be AWALT anyways).

If those angles fail, she might be a unicorn. But 98 times out of a 100, AWALT. Don't fret the 2 out of 100. Treat everyone AWALT until you've concretely identified a unicorn.

Here's the thing about unicorns.

Pretty sure she's a unicorn
She's a unicorn
She's probably a unicorn
She's not a unicorn

Pretty much every time. Assign that label with EXTREME caution.

PUAtalksRP · 2015-12-08T15:14:56+00:00

I like RP community, its mostly true, but Its even worse than PUA community when it comes to having a negative view of women. IF you are alpha and can meet a womans needs, you have a decent shot of making a relationship work. Hotter women are often more likely to cheat, alot of factors factor in,

cascadecombo · 2015-12-08T16:01:09+00:00

Quit bitching and figure shit out for yourself.

azrise · 2015-12-08T21:17:09+00:00

The other thing I have been wondering is whether our sample of women is flawed.

This is something I ask myself quite often. And it's not because of the "type of women we are attracting" but rather the places we're looking for. 99% of people here look for women either on clubs/parties or tinder. So they're basically gaming the typical party girl who's out to have fun. To this type of women, I'm sure TRP applies 100%. But what about introvert girls who don't go out much? What about girls who spend their time in a library reading books, for example? Those girls have a totally different type of personality. How can RP theory apply to these other types of women if people here rarely come across them to see if it works?

MattyAnon · 2015-12-08T21:35:02+00:00

I really want to be convinced you guys are right and AWALT.

Date as many women as you can. See if they behave like TRP or like Disney. Look at your parents generation of relatives and friends, see what's happening there to the men who got married.

There is a lot of short term happiness in the BP world. New Relationship Energy is real. Fast forward ten years, and look at people in fifteen year relationships. Very very few are happy and good.

The other thing that worries me is how many his has happened men have been cheated on, and how many supposedly Alpha's this has happened to. If TRP is such a truth and Alpha behavior is the ideal for men and what women really want why is this still happening?

Alpha is no defence against cheating. There is no complete defence against cheating. AWALT.

I see how my weakness and desperation to be a 'nice guy' wrecked my marriage.

You were misled. You have been conditioned from birth to defer to women, to be weak for them. You thought it was for the best, and she encouraged and exploited it. There is a side to your (ex) wife that you have been told did not exist: hypergamic, alpha-seeking, raw, sexual. You did not exploit this to your own advantage because she told you that she isn't like this, and you wanted to believe her.

I get a little nervous though when people start telling me something is so good.

Evaluate for yourself. Look for exceptions. Look for a better rule system that is a better explainer of what you see.

30FerretsInAManSuit · 2015-12-08T21:55:16+00:00

OK look, blue pill is a religious belief in the virtue of women, and we are atheists.

You're looking for proof that our atheism is correct. This doesn't exist, because that's a wrong way of thinking. Ours is not a belief, it is a LACK of belief.

We do not trust what we are being told by anyone, even each other. We merely entertain ideas of how people's minds work, and throw out whichever ideas don't fit their behaviour.

So as long as you understand and think in that defensive, scientific way, you're on the right path, if not already there.

Title	Blue pill envy....
Author	daddymonsterpoodle
Upvotes	31
Comments	38
Date	December 8, 2015 6:12 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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