If marriage has such a poor risk cost analysis for men, what alternatives exist for those of us who want to raise kids in a two parent household?

Throwaway-242424 · 2018-06-26T05:52:49+00:00

A lot of jurisdictions treat defactos as married anyway. I guess the only answer is to vet the woman extremely well and stay on top of your game.

TheBrokenRuler · 2018-06-26T08:07:24+00:00

there's a sub for the married RP guys that might have some good advice. I honestly think they're fighting a losing battle but I admire their strength of character in putting up with these silly thots every day.

Also, prenup.

Auvergnat · 2018-06-26T09:21:20+00:00

The standard answer is: move to a country that has not been infected by feminism yet. Hopefully you might have the time to adjust to the new culture and religion, find a girl, get married, and get a kid, although feminism will probably be there by the time he's a teen.

dandar4600 · 2018-06-26T10:45:24+00:00

Marriage is not a poor risk if both of you work and make similar income.

It's only a risk if your wife is a SAHM as in case of a divorce you may be obligated to pay spousal support. Even that is not as big a risk as it used to be. States are moving away from lifetime spousal support.

Child support would have to be paid whether you are single or married. If she has a child from Chad you have limited time to challenge paternity if you're married. In some states you may have just 30 to 60 days after that you're on the hook for his child even if she moves in with him.

So vet well and stay on top of your game because marriage is red pill on hard mode.

stylesm11 · 2018-06-26T06:43:06+00:00

I was thinking of paying for a surrogate but geez man I'd be shunned by society hard

Bruchibre · 2018-06-26T08:31:54+00:00

I think I will get married the day I will want kids. Luckily I’m not from USA though. I’d say prenup is mandatory.

netopatineto · 2018-06-26T09:11:44+00:00

My uncle is one of the most red pilled men I know and he has been living with my aunt in consensual union for 20 years now

duntoon · 2018-06-26T11:21:10+00:00

You can try marrying a wealthy woman, or someone who outearns you. During divorce, it'll be her getting financially hit.

buddboy · 2018-06-26T12:21:00+00:00

Fake marriage. Give her a wedding, let her wear a ring, tell people you are married, but no paperwork. She gets to have her party and says she's married, but really there is no additional commitment. As long as you keep your SMV up and hers continues to decline, she will be a good "wife" because she knows you can always leave just like before

ppanthero · 2018-06-26T12:21:18+00:00

Yes, its hard. I wpuld like to have kids and in the end its proven that two parent households lead to the best outcome. I guess apply TRP principles to your best knowledge and keep up your game is the best you can do.

GoblinKnight · 2018-06-26T17:10:08+00:00

If you and your wife are even somewhat religious people and would like to get married, try going through your church/synagogue etc. All you would have to is get the person in charge to draw up a marriage contract and both of you would sign it. Have a party, and you're good. Both of you are married, but not filed with the state or federal govt.

DubbleFUPAwitCheez · 2018-06-26T20:17:04+00:00

In the wisdom of many game blogs and my own personal experience, if she starts pushing you for marriage, it's a bad sign. Ironic since it's the opposite of how the beginning has to be (her asking for the relationship) but a female that wants you extremely bad will never rock the boat.

They will be too scared to run you off to ever mention marriage. The one girl I've been with that I think I could have grown old with never mentioned marriage and we were never "officially" in a relationship. She just knew I was around and that was all she needed.

cbogart2 · 2018-06-26T15:44:43+00:00

marriage, prenup. The prenup is very important. Make it fair, but make sure you acquire assets before the marriage and keep them separate from the marriage (rental properties, retirement etc). Make sure your retirement stays a separate asset from the marriage. I do share other assets 50/50 (family home). The prenup took away most of the rose tinted romance from getting married (which is good). Ultimately it is largely a business decision, and the business is forming a family and raising kids. The prenup changed everything. It made my wife see that divorce would not be a profitable outcome and it also underscored how much more I was bringing to the table. She learned pretty fast that the only positive way forward was to hang onto me. There were tense moments before we got married and her attorney advised her not to sign it but she signed it anyway. it was a very fair agreement in the end and right now the asset split is about 65% (me)/35 %(her). She works and it will never be 50/50 (or worse).

AwareSwimming · 2018-06-26T11:20:33+00:00

Marry a dude?

WorldNewPilla · 2018-06-26T08:06:49+00:00

RemindMe! 1 Day

astrae_research · 2018-06-26T08:25:10+00:00

Very curious about any detailed answers from rp men who got their kids very recently

beginner_ · 2018-06-26T11:10:59+00:00

Why would you need marriage to make a kid?

Of course you need to live in the right state/country that does not know common law marriage else not marrying is near pointless. And even then you have 0 influence on new laws passed. For example where I live, a year a go a new law was in effect that the father must not only pay child support to the mother but also pay her a child care fee. (basically alimony). .but only if she takes care full time, hence it's essential to get shared custody. If you take care 50% of the time you owe her nothing. Still this is obviously retarded as the amount you need to pay is far greater than daycare. So you pay her $2000 a month, she then spends that for day care and works full time meaning she gets same income and same pension + $2000 from kids dad. This is called "Fair" and "equal". Yeah, right...

Still it's better to no marry because it will save you cost of lawyers and most importantly all your savings especially your pension is 100% yours. Also a very important aspect of not being married is, that the kid is not by default yours. So basically you don't sign the documents acknowledging fatherhood without a paternity test. If she goes to court, they will order a test but your vetting must have sucked if it goes this far.

obviously you need to tell her that before you try to have a kid. Among others things like what you guys would do if the fetus turns out to have a defect like down syndrome (abortion obviously, but well you guys must be aligned BEFORE the fact). Of course she can still change her mind...So your vetting must be ubergood.

boy_named_su · 2018-06-26T14:21:08+00:00

Its called Dread Game and Bitch Management if that helps

FlyingSexistPig · 2018-06-26T14:55:27+00:00

You don't have to be married to have kids. There are lots and lots of single moms out there. You can be a dad and see your kids every day and still never be married.

She'll cry, she'll plead, she'll beg to get married. But if she wants kids and she's with you, she'll have your kids even if you're not married.

You never have to get a marriage contract signed. If you don't, then legally you're not married. It's not the overt part of marriage that's the problem (commitment, cohabitation, kids), it's the covert part (child support, alimony, divorce rape). When you marry someone, you're signing up for the first part, but the state fucks you and signs you up for the second part too.

Zanford · 2018-06-26T17:59:29+00:00

Raise kids w/o getting married. You could still end up on the hook for child support if it falls through ofc, but that's better than child support + alimony + legal costs of divorce. Consult with an attorney in your geography about whether you might get declared common law married anyway tho.
Move to a country which is culturally or legally more favorable.
Shack up with someone much wealthier (you might still owe child support if it falls through; look that up)
Most importantly, be attractive and have game so that you have hand in the relationship and things are less likely to fall through (and if they do, be on your terms)

Freenorthman · 2018-06-26T19:27:00+00:00

Become gay, find a good dude, adopt kid. The only way i see

yesbuthereswhy · 2018-06-26T19:42:46+00:00

I just vetted my wife really well. If you have any questions feel free to ask.

Lambdal7 · 2018-06-29T15:16:54+00:00

There's this myth going around on trp that prenups don't work.

That's not true. A prenup is only thrown out of court under very rare circumstances, whoch would nullify any other contract.

99.9% of prenups hold up. Happy to reconsider if someone has opposing numbers.

Rene-Girard · 2018-06-26T11:39:30+00:00

Even if you live alone your whole life you should always keep your assets protected. Never own real estate directly in your name, that is company property and the company is owned by a foreign trust. Never even think about holding any liquid assets of value where it can be touched by the government. There should be nothing to your name in case of a divorce.

Make kids without marrying. Be prepared there's about a 90% chance she will leave. Get shared custody, make sure the kids want to stay with you when they're old enough to chose (shouldn't be hard). Find a younger girl and do it again.

rigbed · 2018-06-26T10:13:40+00:00

You can’t turn a hoe into a housewife. So turn a housewife into a hoe. Pimp her out make money. Bang other women. Or just do what a lot of couples do and swing.

MattyAnon · 2018-06-26T16:54:23+00:00

Why do people believe that marriage is somehow a necessity to have children?

I don't get it.

Given the option between paying the mother of your children to leave you and not doing...... which would you choose? Seems so obvious to me.

Why does this question keep getting asked?

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