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[–]CompetitionFair7686 60 points61 points62 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
No. They will not come… No one’s gonna knock on your door. That is just stupid advice given by men who don’t have real life experience.
You need to hit on girls, you need to take the initiative and go out of your way to meet women, you need to approach them and talk, you need to be the one making almost all of the moves. Girls are more passive in that regard.
So yeah, you could keep focusing on your purpose for the rest of your life but if you don’t actually are the one initiating flirty conversations with women then you will be single and sexless forever.
[–]CocoBabeNYC 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, the advice means don't make women your sole purpose in life. As in, have a life you enjoy and a partner/s will be icing on the cake. But agree, he needs to go out and mingle with people. I've tried for years to materialize a naked girl out of thin air and it still hasn't worked.
[–]TechnoGeek423 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would offer an alternate perspective on ‘be on your purpose.’ It does NOT mean ‘do nothing’. Being a data engineer will not get you any women on its own.
I think being on your purpose means NOT making your happiness contingent on the approval of either a specific woman or women in general. It means you doing you and pursuing women in a non-attached manner as it suits you.
If you make women the primary purpose in your life, you will fail. You will lose at life and women and definitely happiness. I know. I’ve done it and it was a terrible experience. I’m just trying to help others avoid the mistakes I made.
[–]ZachMoore88 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
If you are consistently putting yourself out there with girls, will being on your purpose boost your chances?
[–]lelouch_2002 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Absolutely not i learned that the hard way
Women dont care if you are in your purpose or if you read books or if you are ambitious, those thing are for your well being and they have nothing to do with girls
[–]ZachMoore88 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
And what was your purpose?
[–]lelouch_2002 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Well it's a personal thing i can share it in private but not in a comment section
[–]ZachMoore88 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I understand. Just trying to guage if it's something women would notice.
[–]lelouch_2002 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The more time passed the more they gonna notice it , but it doesn't give any sort of advantage in dating
[–]ZachMoore88 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Perhaps it could but it depends on what exactly you're doing. Feel free to DM if you want.
[–]5_7pickup 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
That’s one of the biggest cope advice on this sub. The FoCuS oN yOuRsElF cope. This advice gets upvoted so much because it’s a feel good nonsense. It just tells men to ignore women and do their own thing and wait for the universe to drop a girl on your lap. Such cope.
Dont get me wrong, self improvement is important but self improvement by itself isnt enough. You need to take concrete specific actions to improve your dating life. It doesnt matter how rich or buff you are if you dont constantly meet new attractive women.
[–]lelouch_2002 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True and stop telling man that personality and game are the most important, i mean they are important but they are nothing compared to looks , i learned that the hard way
[–]Furyann 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
HiT tHe gYm
[–]AutoVendetta 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Being in a better shape increases your chance with woman too, or, at least, it increases your chances with hotter girls if you aren't handsome by yourself. Like, if you are handsome and skinny, that's pretty much ok, but being fat will pre-kill your chances with a lot of girls regardless of your social skills. Not only that, but being fit will increase your confidence to engage in social situations.
Ed: Typo
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It sure as hell increases your chances if you have a bad face or short height
[–]grindforthegold 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lmfao dude of course that’s a darse. what they’re trying to say is if you make money and have a job you’re happy with when you meet a women she’ll be more attracted to you. but you need to expose yourself to meeting women in the first place for that to happen
[–]montanalombardy 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It means if you spend all your time in your basement becoming a coding expert, chicks will just teleport in there begging to fuck you.
Yeah, of course it's not how it works. You gotta go out and be social and try to get girls.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It means make enough money so you can get prostitutes or gold diggers
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A lot of the advice in the manosphere is around this formula of making bank + chasing excellence + becoming high value -> girls will chase you.
It becomes very toxic because it dehumanizes both the target and women. Especially when they use shaming messages as triggers to catch insecure men who lack a strong father figure. ie: "You are no real man unless -> X, buy my course blah blah."
Be on your purpose and they will come is part of that message that sells the promise of abundant pussy if you become extraordinary in a field.
Of course, having a purpose is important and of course, it is better to do something than playing video games in your basement, but never do it "for the pussy". Do it for you. Most people are going to have an ordinary life, and that is ok.
[–]EthicalSeduction 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do what you love because you are responsible for your own happiness. AND if you want to find someone who is a good fit with you, think about the things you enjoy and value and where women who also like these things hang out. Go to there places, join these groups, be around people who will be a good fit with you, etc. If you want women in your life you do need to go to them.
[–]TechnoGeek423 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Let me add: women can sense when you are needy. They can sense when you need them. They can also sense if you’re fulfilled on your own.
The latter is far more attractive. Nobody wants to be the missing link. And I’d also offer you should be applying the same criteria. If you meet a girl and she’s needy and expects a man to come in and complete her, RUN. She will make you all kinds of miserable.
I know because I had a girlfriend who was quite attractive, kinky (did anal, swallowed) and actually quite intelligent. She also was miserable and drained my energy. I dreaded spending time with her and we eventually broke up. One of the best, if not the best, decisions of my life.
[–]Pain_Tough 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Initial attraction is based on two things, physical attractiveness and proximity. Looking good and being around women. Ballroom dancing hits the problem like a hammer. It’s like 30 women and 3 men.
[–]staier0 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is a book "models" by mark manson. There is a deep discussion. Data engineer or not, read it.
[–]CanUnusual8729 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah its partially true. Similar to when people say “just be yourself.” It doesn’t mean make no effort to be attractive to women and talk to them. It means that a man who is ambitious, independent, and has a clear mission in life will not allow women to take an unhealthy priority over everything else. Men without purpose tend to be needy and look for a mother rather than a girlfriend. Women want to be with a man who already has a high functioning, and fulfilling life that she can be a part of. Thats very important. And if you are genuinely busy, you will naturally come across as more of a challenge. These are all good things, but you do need to also have a social life and some regular interactions with women in order for them to actually know you exist. They also love it when a man is super passionate and engaged in whatever he’s doing. But again they have to be around you to see your good qualities.
[–]RProgrammerMan 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I think it means you shouldn’t be calling and texting women every day to hang out with you because your life is empty. You should have passions that take up your time and attention. If she dumps you or plays games it shouldn’t send you on an emotional rollercoaster because you have other sources of meaning and happiness to fall back on. You should be able to make an occasional social media post doing something fun or interesting to market yourself. In general I think it’s important not to be dependent on other people and their approval for happiness.
[–]crashandban 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Horrible advice. Ask me how I know....
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[–]crashandban 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you don't try you're not going to get any. The only instance where this wasn't true was when a girl literally walked into my apartment on accident and we hit it off from there.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How did you land a data engineer job btw? Were you a software developer/engineer beforehand?
[–]MrThrowawayXD999 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This only works if your career gravitates to women, or attracts their attention on its own. That and your demeanor/attitude about dating would go hand to hand. But, you need to put in extra work like everyone else if your career does not do that.
[–]lelouch_2002 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
That just a gentle way of saying you are not attractive
Why man still bleave desny bs like be gentleman, stay on your purpose and women will come , in the right time you gonna meet your love , personality is the most important thing......
I mean come on
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[–]lelouch_2002 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
First of all , instead of judging your self you are good looking, you need to take a proper face rating, second i never seen avrange looking guys with dimes in real life befor , third i never seen attractive dude who doesn't have plenty of options even if he had a bad game .
And i really think game and personality matters , but looks are far more superior in importance, i m open to discuss that , and i would love to have a healthy conversation with you and hear your arguments
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[–]lelouch_2002 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah man that might be true , i was a bad looking dude soo i got into self improvement for 2 year , in those 2 years i build a good phisique, i read 50 + book , i meditate and journal every day , i learn soo many new skills and i approached 150+ womens . I got amazing results and it was worth it but in dating i didn t improve at all . After i upgrade my look i start finally seeing some results in this area
How can you explain that 2 years of extreme hard work are not even close to 2 months looks maxing ?
I really hope i can see your environment it looks way more healthy then mine
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re probably not as attractive as you think you are
Other bad similar advice: -get more hobbies -take a shower and new wardrobe -maintain frame -abundance mindset
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Naw what you listed is not in the same category as what OP posted. Hobbies are places where you meet more women, upgrading wardrobe is to make yourself look nicer (or show social status) and you should always be maintaining frame and having an abundance mindset
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It means live your life for yourself and enjoy your career and your hobbies and the right person will appear. If you’re a genuinely a happy person and content in your life, you’ll have magnetic energy.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
elder pua here. NO ONE WILL CUM.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It basically means figure it out what you want to do That's going to make you a lot of money around high 6 to 7 figures a year. And the girls will chase your money. You won't have to chase them.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
And the girls will chase your money.
You mean gold diggers?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes that's correct
Why on earth would anyone want a gold digger?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you are looking for something serious of course a gold digger is not an option. But if you have money you should understand that most women chasing you are gold diggers. What was they doing before you had money....that being said it comes with the territory
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