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[–]khaosten 103 points104 points105 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Me with my missing attractiveness and charisma.
[–]Uesugi_Kenshin 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
You can for sure work on your attractiveness though.
Gym, proper grooming/hair, good clothing style. All developable.
Not to toot my horn, but just as an example, go on my profile to check my transformation. I looked like a hobo 'til I was 20 and never pulled anything.
Gym changed my life, physically and mentally. Also meditation, courage and growth mindset. I'm sure u heard all those steps before if you're interested in personal growth. It's all about implementing.
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[–]yungupgrade 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think people think having good habits like meditation, gym and eating healthy will make you confident and be good at talking to girls but that’s only true to some extent. Yes you will be more confident but nothing will replace the experience of actually biting the bullet and approaching girls. Pain and rejection is the quickest path of growth.
[–]zukord 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Doing okay everywhere but my lost hair, is there anything that can be done about that?
[–]MongrelLife 5 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
What about my badly shaped skull? Is there a gym exercise for that?
Or what about my height?
[–]zukord 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All good questions.
[–]sockaccount12348 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A lot of guys think they’re unattractive when that simply isn’t the case. Also he’s obviously charismatic in some way judging by the witty comment that we all laughed at
[–]pimmemaster 37 points38 points39 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You aren't going anywherr with that attitude
[–]SchaeBae 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well it was kind of funny so he’s got that going.
[–]MongrelLife1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You're not going anywhere regardless of you're attitude when you're ugly
[–]LashatAtamer -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bouhouhou, life is so harsh, I'm not attractive and have no charisma, bouhouhou, I'm the little match girl...
[–]WAPWhiteboi 59 points60 points61 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I agree with what you say about developing your own style and being confident with it. That is huge in life, not just seduction.
How old are you? The witty, cocky good looking dude game works for a while until you get older and most women have been around the block once or twice. The books and articles become more relatable as you and the game mature.
[–]sockaccount12348 28 points29 points30 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
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[–]Avocadoavenger 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Agreed- woman here... I loved those guys in college and in my 20s. Now that I'm older, I want nothing to do with them.
[–]sockaccount12348 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I’m sure I’ll evolve, good to know to take advantage of it now tho lol
[–]Avocadoavenger 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh for sure
[–]Biz_Rito 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Right on- what mind set sits better on guys in their 30s?
[–]Biz_Rito 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Good point. What would you say is best suited for guys in their 30s?
[–]WAPWhiteboi 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Depends. At that age a lot of women are looking for more serious relationships. Maturity, hobbies, steady job, own place, car. Of course it’s not universal and there will still be single women out clubbing and bar hopping in their 30s, but that’s rare. It’s hard to keep up the one night stands and nightlife when all of your friends start to settle down, have kids, and “party” with board games and go to bed at 11 on a Saturday.
So you still have to have your own style and be confident in it, but women fall less for the sarcastic wit and cockiness that gets you laid when you are younger. There is a place for it, but your 401k starts being more attractive than a nice jawline and some game.
Now, tie it all together; good looks, clean style, stable income and own place/car, interesting personality outside of seduction, hobbies besides clubbing or bar hopping. You will have more single 30+ women throwing themselves at you than if you were a heisman winner at Alabama. But they still want a committed relationship, not one night stands.
[–]concernedad420 29 points30 points31 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I lost you when you said you knew you were always good looking.
Keep in mind some people don't have that luxury guy
[–]AlbFighter 17 points18 points19 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's more how you perceive yourself and how much you take care of yourself tbh. I used to think I'm an ugly ass dude until I started dressing properly and getting a nice haircut and a beard (some people struggle with beards).
[–]concernedad420 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How's that working for you? I'm curious.
For some like myself, no matter how much we change our appearance (beards, haircut, clothes) we are still going to be unattractive.
I would say most of you guys never had the experience of simply making eye contact (with no intention of approaching!) with women and see them scrunch their noses in disgust, roll their eyes at you, hastily walk faster past you. If you experience that your whole life your "self perception" is not going to be so great am I right?
When I was in the army in basic training I remember a drill sergeant say "you can polish a turd and it would still be that, a polished turd. But IT'S STILL A TURD"
[–]AlbFighter 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean I was kinda depressed as a teen, 175 cm so not exactly tall and the only redeeming thing were my blue eyes. I started going to better barbers, started buying clothes that fit me, hit the gym. All those stuff have double benefits, they make you look better and also boost your confidence. We are men, we don't have to be beautiful we just have to be confident and taking care of yourself does that. It's a numbers game, the more you try the more likely you are to succeed and you will definitely improve. As for me I got one sexual partner atm and I am constantly looking for others. Not really interested in a relationship due to other obligations in my life.
Also for your sergeant, he was most likely told the same thing by his sergeant, if he feels like a turd let him be.
[–]sockaccount12348 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
90% of the people I’ve met who think they’re ugly are AT LEAST average and average can turn into attractive with swag and style. Don’t get down on yourself plz
[–]sockaccount12348 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Also I know model status good looking guys who can’t get laid. Like perfect jawline, gym rats, everything. Just has a blockage with women
[–]concernedad420 -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sure thing bud 👍🏼 I faced the facts and I urge people to do the same
Why would I lie to you about that? I have nothing to gain
[–]roman-p 17 points18 points19 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah dude. The more advice, tips and articles I see the more it exhausts me. Fuck it, just find your inner tune and roll with it
[–]sockaccount12348 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I like your vibe
[–]codewizbambam 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Dude I've been there, that's the point in life where it starts to work out for you. The next step you can take, is to learn to switch your mind off and do it completely from your guts. Learning mindfulness meditation is a quick and very good solution for that ;)
[–]sockaccount12348 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh trust me I’m huge on DBT, mindfulness, and meditation
[–]codewizbambam 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Then I'm sorry, there is not so much beyond talking from your character only :)
Edit: In short, hey, another guy who beat the endboss :D
[–]Borednudes 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Everyone's a natural, we all have the genetic information to mate. Pickup is a vehicle to get men out there so they can realise this themselves. It's purpose is to give guys the realisation of "Oh, there's nothing wrong with me, women will like me, sex is a perfectly natural thing and really not that big of a deal, it's just two people getting each other off". You then outgrow pickup and leave it behind as you come to that realisation.
My story is very similar to yours, I was a natural. When I was a teen, I had loads of girlfriends. Kissed and experimented at a young age, then some trauma happened and it really messed up my perception of my self. I discovered pickup and went out 3 nights a week, failed miserably for years. It was hard as hell but it was all a journey to come to the realisation of where my problems actually lay, it was in that early trauma. I realised that I'm actually a really cool and attractive guy, as long as I communicate who I am honestly people will like me including women. Every now and then a woman comes along who really likes what you're putting out there and you guys hit it off. Therapy probably would have allowed me to come to that realisation earlier but pickup is a kind of exposure therapy anyway and I don't really regret getting into it.
Without those early nights I look back on nostalgically, going out with my friends and pushing myself out of my comfort zone constantly, I wouldn't be where I am now. Could I have done it better and quicker if I had taken a different path, sure but I don't know if I'd be the same person I am now.
I'm outlining a guide I intend on writing which will go into detail on my struggles and failures with women and how my perspective has changed years on. Whether it has any value I don't know but I just feel like I need to help some of the guys here out.
Be interested to read this
[–]Borednudes 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feel free to dm man
[–]eyesopen1111 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If your current approach is working for you, then keep doing it. Bruce Lee made up his own martial art that focused on maximizing advantage by using your natural gifts.
I'm just a huge fan of Game. I have been for years. I do think that learning, integrating, and mastering different types of game will give you options and insights that are worth having.
[–]TimeMaster1709 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
So a girl sleeping on my bed is a signal she wants something more? Shit
[–]sockaccount12348 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I mean it could be, get consent first and don’t be a rapist, but more often than not it is
[–]TimeMaster1709 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I mean, I wasn't implying at all that I will do something without consent.
[–]sockaccount12348 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I didn’t think you would, just saying yeah if she wants to sleep in your bed it’s usually a good signal my dude. Get consent and go to town
[–]TimeMaster1709 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
How do you ask for consent?. I'm very bad at this
And remember it’s much better to fumble with asking consent than to assault somebody
[–]sockaccount12348 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for asking this question because it’s important. You can do it without killing the mood. You can say something light like “so would now be an ideal time start kissing you or would that have been ten minutes ago ?” to start. It’s all about delivery tho. Also remember you need to ask consent for every action. Consent for kissing doesn’t mean consent for anything else. You need to get consent every step of the way. No means no (Anything but yes means no). Practice makes perfect
[–]TimeMaster1709 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Ok. I'll take note of that. Usually I'm so bad for this that nothing will happen because I do, well, nothing.
Well start trying to do something (with consent of course) and that problem will disappear quick. I had the same problem. You might fail a couple times but with practice you’ll overcome it. If you’re getting girls In bed even if you do nothing with them you’re more than 90% of the way there
[–]TimeMaster1709 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thanks! I'll follow your advice.
Good luck, you got this
[–]wchimezie 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Lmao I feel u man I fumbled the bag a few times when I had a girl in my bed and I ain’t know what to do and how to initiate shit without being weird or creepy
[–]TimeMaster1709 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
At least we know that girls are attracted to us, that's the most important part. We can fix the problem.
[–]wchimezie 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hell yea bro
[–]earsurgery9 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My main point of advice may sound silly, but fuck all the rules. I read 100s of articles and books and NONE of them helped.
the fact that all of the books 100% contradict each other should tell you all you need to know lol
Straight up cash grab $$$
[–]Legal_Ranch 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. Which is why most of the crap in this sub is just that...crap. They try to get you to follow a script and be someone you're not, which is very unnatural and obvious to others.
If you're having trouble with women, it's probably your anxiousness or lack of confidence. Work on yourself to make either of those things better, because you can't read confidence into existence.
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[–]greennurple 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ya just gotta say “fuck it, send it”. Confidence doesn’t come easy and it takes time to build but the best way is, consistency. In the beginning it’s slow, gets chipped at and knocked down a few pegs but hey, that’s okay. Because if you move forward 3 and fall back 2, you’re still a step above where you started, that’s gotta count for something right? Baby steps people. As long as you remain true to yourself, and know who YOU are, you’ll be good. If you’re social, find the dudes/girls you admire and force yourself into their circle (as long as you’re friends with them already of course) and observe them. Watch how they act, talk, and adapt yourself to the things you admire about them. And if you’re not friends with these people, the same applies but more subtly. Bring yourself to the events/hangouts and just roll with it
[–]DingleDick0815 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is so much true. The guy that ive been in school with through 6 to 13th class was a master in this. He ALWAYS observed his circle and adapted. From 10 to 13 he completely adjusted himself to a new school we both went to. And only i could tell because i knew him beforehand. The guys around us were into Hyperbeast. So he got himself into hyperbeast. And so on..
Being more confident is a decision. It’s gradual. It’s acknowledging challenging the negative thoughts about yourself you have 1000s of times a day. It’s doing something new even small everyday. It’s practicing and improving at things. And then one day it just clicks. That’s literally how it happens
Ask anyone who wasn’t confident and now is, the click is real
[–]Legal_Ranch 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You have to become battle hardened. Confidence comes from doing things that you are scared of or don't want to do, do em anyways. You get confidence from pushing your limits and coming out on the other side. There's no shortcut, the obstacle is the way.
[–]G0DMODE101 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True the less you care and the less you think about it the easier it will become, and don't be affraid to try something different. When you are young you are still trying to figure yourself and you most likely do not have your priorities in order so let failure guide you to succes!
Also holy shit I didn’t realize this would blow up. This is a sock account I made last night to deal with some issues and I just ended up here somehow. I’m glad it’s helping so many people! I’ve been on reddit for 5 years and I’ve never gotten this much karma. Thank you guys!
[–]lovatoariana 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
But this sub wouldnt exist without 90% of washed up regurgitated bullshit about how you should live your life
[–]sockaccount12348 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Starting to realize that. Nor would 100% of PUA material which is conveniently a paywall for profit industry....
[–]lovatoariana 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sad to admit. I was raised by the PUA and old videos that RSD had before they deleted them. And i still miss those old vids, just because they changed my life, gave me the motivation to go out and find friends. Not saying they were 100% the accurate representation of the real world, but they were MUCH more real than this bullshit theyre posting today.
I actually still cannot believe that literally every PUA channel had to delete their videos. Its like illuminati happening in front of your eyes. If you want to realise where the world is going, just remember that youtube forced everyone to delete their vids.
But simping, twitch whoring etc is normal today. And most people accept it as reality.
Don’t hate the hustle of women using twitch to make money with their bodies. Men sexualized women let them take advantage of that at least. It’s all a game my friends
[–]ImJustSo -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
These kinds of posts are so silly.
"Hey, this is all that I did and I ended up successful. Don't do what I did though, do something else instead!"
Self-reflection should tell you that the entire journey was necessary to reach the point you are at. You learned what to do and what not to do. You made mistakes along the way. The reading had nothing to do with your mistakes. The mistakes were part of the learning process. The experiences are what led to your success. You can't know whether you were held back or propelled forward by all your readings, so giving advice based on that is untoward.
[–]sockaccount12348 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Of course the journey was necessary but I could’ve saved myself a lot of shitty behavior and misogyny that PUA taught that I had to unlearn to ascend
[–]ImJustSo 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
a lot of shitty behavior and misogyny that PUA taught
See, that's what I'm talking about though. You had to do that to learn to not do it. Thing is, I never went down that path. I never acted misogynistically, or treated women shitty, in order to succeed. I chose to avoid shitty advice that didn't fit my morals. So once again, it's not the reading that was any problem. You wouldn't have made it to where you are without some of the knowledge you gained and it's highly unlikely that you would've succeeded sooner having avoided consuming PU material.
I 100% agree with you in this. I think we’re on the same page. I wish I didn’t do the shitty things I did or buy into the misogyny but the past is the past and now I’m a proud as hell feminist ally to make up for it
[+]Lower_Carrot -6 points-5 points-4 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
What if I'm asexual?!
[–]AlbFighter 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Find someone asexual and stick with them. 99% of people would never accept an asexual life.
It depends on where on the spectrum you are and if you’re looking for sex. This post was not targeted at Asexual people but the same theory can work for asexual romantics who want to find love with a like minded partner
[–]ImJustSo -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What if you're just gay, and won't admit it, so you keep trying to go after women and feel no sexual attraction, so you think you're asexual?
Who knows! Could be anything!
[–]Lower_Carrot 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've mainly gone after men so far, but felt nothing.
[–]Mindisevrything 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My advice is TAKE ACTION. I learned driving a car by practicing in the car not by reading and watching articles about how to drive all the time. TAKE ACTION but have a plan before you do that and analyse your approaches after.
[–]SpookySaint 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Have been good looking dude and have good charisma
Okay cue for me to leave the post
Don’t be hard on yourself. You’re probably not ugly and you probably have charisma. Everyone has their own charisma. 90% of the people I meet who think they’re ugly are AT LEAST average
[–]starfire_xes 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My advice is:. Pull your pants down and bang away!
As long as you have consent do you
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