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[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I think the summary you’re going for is: stop overanalyzing and overthinking things.
I agree, misogyny isn’t a winner. But there is a balance and being a floor mat isn’t good either.
Treat women like Norma humans and don’t expect or put up with any more or any less front them than you’d expect from a guy.
[–]sockaccount12348 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Pretty much. People are people. Women or men. The overthinking and mental gymnastics that a lot of men go through are just so self defeating and unnecessary. This shit is supposed to be fun
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[–]sockaccount12348 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just because a guy is nice doesn’t mean he can’t Dom lol
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Agreed
[–]sockaccount12348 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
I’m not denying pimps and hustlers can get women for turn tricks for them (usually with the promise of drugs, money, protection, or power coming with the territory). I’m also saying that if I paid them more, gave them better drugs, or had more clout I would get the girls over them. Pimps and hustlers are fleeting and always watching their backs for the next dude taking over and tbh the hood is a different world than where most of the people here are running game. That shit is survival to some of these women. You’re talking like I don’t know how this shit works, I do. Plus nobody not from the hood is gonna be hard enough or come off as hard enough to emulate what pimps and hustlers can pull off. It’s not a world they know
Yeah will dealing coke help you get girls? Probably. Is it a good idea? No. Most people on this forum aren’t living in that world
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I agree. op is thinking all misogyny is from "nice guys" or something. Nobody likes nice guys not because they are "misogynistic", but because they are ugly and sissys.
Girls love guys with an "edge" to them, and that includes misogyny. I think many guts may be confused because "misogyny" in itself is a made up social construct so they may not understand the legit dynamics of why girls like certain guys.
[–]vozmozhnost 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I agree that misogyny is a huge game killer, but beyond the first paragraph I don’t follow your argument. To note of the quality of a person’s character is not misogyny.
Most advice I’ve seen encourages guys to hold frame above all and recommends shooting your shot and then moving on the moment she seems genuinely uninterested in you. They say to keep an abundance mentality and move on.
Who is teaching guys they’re entitled to anyone’s genitals? Do you have any example of the advice you’re critiquing?
[–]atomant88 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
i would totally agree with this advice. but i dont see how it opposes the OP. if anything i'd say this supports the OP. 'nice guys' cant 'move on'. they get bitter and angry and feel entitled by dwelling on the past and past failures.
real players see failure as a learning experience (at worst), and a stepping-stone to success. you know it takes 9 rejections before you get one good response , so power through those 9 and play the numbers game.
[–]vozmozhnost 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My point was that OP seems to have a major problem with anyone offering advice on game/seduction, as if interpersonal skills aren’t a thing when it comes to romance. Then OP goes on to offer their own advice, which is essentially “skate better”.
There’s a lot of good wisdom out there and none of it that I’ve seen encourages men to pursue women who genuinely aren’t interested, nor does it teach that men are entitled to women’s bodies.
[–]WeakEmu8 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Meh, shit tests are real, and never ending (even if you're married).
The problem is seeing them as a negative, instead of a mechanism women use to assess an attribute about you. They're also a way to be playful.
A secure man isn't put off by such assessments, but sees them as a fun part of the push-pull dynamic. Sadly the name "shit test" is a bit pejorative. A better term would help.
You're spot on about attitude. It should all be a fun time.
[–]sockaccount12348 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree “shit tests” are real but like you said they can be an opportunity to flip the game on its head and sweep her off her feet. Also failing one isn’t a death sentence
My main point is misogyny is a game killer
And I bet you agree consciously thinking about shit tests when interacting will hurt your game. Brushing off shit tests without even noticing them is the best way to “beat” them
[–]doireallyneedone11 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What's a "shit test"?
[–]atomant88 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
very true. im nice as fuck and women love me. be yourself, be confident, communicate clearly, show romantic desire, hold yourself with dignity. its not that hard
[–]PapaBaerSmurf -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
easier said than done.
[–]sockaccount12348 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It becomes habit
[–]atomant88 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
these are basic life skills. invest in these skills and your whole life will improve, not just dating.
[+]PapaBaerSmurf -6 points-5 points-4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
meh
And this comment right here is why it’s not working for you. You don’t give a shit
[–]Borednudes 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I somewhat agree but I still think you’ve got the wrong idea, I’ve been around game for a long time. Almost a decade now, i started back when it was just underground forums of guys posting infields. At some point your going to outgrow the things you learn here, you stop being this guy who is thinking of techniques and you truly start internalising what you learn, it becomes natural.
I don’t think about technique at all when I’m with a girl, I just do the stuff I learned back then naturally. It’s enforced through thousands of repetitions. It’s like if you start playing guitar, you’ll be consciously thinking about where your fingers go and what your doing. After a while of practise and repetition, you start thinking about scales and notes. You’re no longer thinking of how to fret the strings and how your going to get your finger to that other fret. The same is true with game and success with women.
[–]seducingcaliph 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
this is all wrong man. seduction aint fucking kindergarten, its WAR. its worse than war, there at least you can get a decent look at the man you're shooting. Here its all about what's not said and who has more power (for which the calculation is done on completely arbitary and stupid lines, fucking a lot of women or being the leader of a group of idiots is not power)
But, shit being shit we gotta accept what we get. A nice way of defeating your foe is to dehumanize them, think of them as mindless beasts who deserve slaying. Think of women the same. Treat them like objects instead of people, no think of them as objects. fully embrace the game. Only this way can you succeed!
[–]sockaccount12348 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You’re wrong though dude. I think opposite to you and I do well
[–]seducingcaliph 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
or maybe you're doing exactly what I say, just framing it differently? I've yet to meet a "beta" type dude be successful with women
[–]sockaccount12348 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was never a “beta” type and I’ve always looked as life as a game but I’ve viewed women or any people as objects
[–]fakenewsnews 5 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
More feminist nonsense bringing down the sub.
[–]TheMailmanic 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Be yourself, create your own inner natural game, and cleanse your brain of PUA.
Awesome advice... vague, not action oriented, and won't get anyone laid. 10/10. Thanks for your service to mankind.
[–]sockaccount12348 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
All I’m saying is find yourself before you play the game. Find and refine your style. Ask people what works for you specifically. What they like about you if you have to. Nobody is going to be able to emulate my style with the same results and vice versa
[–]TheMailmanic 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Dude people on this sub waste too much time as it is being keyboard jockeys and arguing over whether you should text a girl 3 days or 4.5 days after meeting her.
Guys here need concrete actionable Advice to get them infield, lifting in the gym, and fixing their skin, hair, and clothes. Strong actions drive improved mindset, improved thoughts, higher self esteem, and create a virtuous cycle of accomplishment that leads to more success. Furthermore, guys only learn what works for them by trying and failing repeatedly. It's painful, but the fastest way to learn.
Most inner game stuff is a buffer - a way to avoid actually approaching and instead mentally masturbating
[–]sockaccount12348 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So you’re saying “inner game” only works if you’re already “there” ?
Maybe I underestimated the social skills and fashion sense of this forum. If so that’s my bad because yes this will go over their heads
[–]TheMailmanic 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm saying inner game is most useful for guys that already approach and have their basics down like fitness, nutrition, etc. If inner game becomes an excuse not to approach or endlessly debate on reddit then it is harmful, not helpful
That I agree with. We all know inner game is what elevates average to legend tho
But I’d argue I’d you don’t have fitness, nutrition, and social skills down yet seduction is the last thing you should be worrying about
[–]TheFeistyNun 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It all boils down to seeing your efforts as transactional or not.
As a woman I’ve struggled with this theme in friendships. If you’ve always been taught that you can achieve anything by hard work and grit, it’s kind of a bummer to realize it doesn’t apply to all fields of life. And that you can invest a shit ton of time and money on a friendship and still not be guaranteed with a fun and loyal friend that can stand the test of time.
I think dating is the same. As soon as you view it transactional, place expectations on someone based on your level of investment, the other person feels that and will start looking for ways to slither out from underneath your heavy blanket of expectations. And poof.
But I’m also aware from personal experience that it’s a difficult cycle to break, when your confidence gets blow after blow. So good luck out there and don’t be too hard on yourselves.
[–]sockaccount12348 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But neither friendships nor love affairs are transactional and either can end at any time for no particular reason no matter the amount of time and effort you put into them. Friendships and Relationships aren’t capitalism
People just leave sometimes. Most of the time you don’t get closure. Viewing friendships, sexual flings. or any relationships as transactional is setting yourself up for a world of pain and getting left over and over again and asking why
Learning to let go is one of the most important lessons I’ve ever learned
[–]eyesopen1111 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
There is the type of seduction that's when you fuck a girl in the bathroom of a club or party 15 minutes after meeting her and the type of emotionally connected seduction that takes longer but is more common. Sometimes seduction is treating a woman like an object. Sometimes she needs or wants that for release. This is a seduction forum, not a woman's study course.
Bro slut shaming is misogynistic tho. You’re actually less misogynistic than you’re coming off as. Sexual freedom and openness for women is a huge part of the feminist agenda. Nobody gonna judge a girl for fucking within 15 minutes in the bathroom and yes if she wants to be treated as an object in that moment that can be part of the kink. The difference is you don’t view her as an object after it’s over. She’s still a person
[–]HauntedHarweld 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Wtf
[–]eyesopen1111 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm just saying that girls slut out all the time, so emotional connection is not always needed or wanted by the girl you're seducing.
[–]DouniaLag 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Uhm sir ......we like to be treated as sexual beings during sex, NOT objects. And it's not "slutting out", its having sex with a man.
[–]mehregan_zare7731 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Women love nice guys because they can play them around. They friendzone them and date a jerk instead and when that fails they expect the nice gut to be their friend. Many times I see sweet and nice guys start to hate women for how they get treated. They never get the live they give back do in order to get some love they become the horrible men with games and secrets you deserve.
You’re literally the problem. This mindset is the problem
The friend zone doesn’t exist btw. Friendship is a gift and not something to be thrown aside like trash because you aren’t getting your dick wet from it
[–]Ari_Baby_ 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Totally agree with this!
Actual nice guys are sooo hot.
"Nice guys" you can tell from a mile away and it's just super creepy ugh...
Plus, word spreads. Sometimes even with guys who seem super nice, if they were creepy or desperate with one person that word gets around and then everyone else knows how much of a creep they are and it essentially kills their chances with anyone else.
Yup, a bad rep can ruin your game in an entire city (not to say it always does, I know known abusers and rapists who still get laid unfortunately). That’s the thing though. It has to be genuine niceness. Also if being “nice” is your only trait you aren’t interesting and nobody gonna want you lol
[–]Ari_Baby_ 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah be nice but don't be bland either lmao xD
[–]sockaccount12348 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, plants are “nice” nobody wants to date them. Actually I hate the word nice, I’d rather use genuine and kind. However those can’t be your only traits. Somebody can be genuine, kind, and still incredibly interesting. One can be kind, funny, intelligent and passionate at the same time. They aren’t mutually exclusive. That’s what “nice” guys can’t seem to wrap their head around
A lot of abusive jerks are passionate and funny and intelligent and have attractive traits which is another thing “nice” guys fail to realize. They’re also incredibly manipulative usually. Bad people can have attractive traits
[–]Umbran_scale 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
"Just like you don't wanna sleep with the majority of women on Earth." Speak for yourself, if the monstergirl genre has taught me anything it's that if it has human looking tits and ass, most guys will want to fuck it.
On a more serious comment, I do genuinely wonder why people actually label themself as a 'nice guy' as the title itself is kind of a derogatory statement nowadays in light of their self entitlement, kinda like how edgelords are frowned upon in the eyes of the many.
Like seriously, if anyone's frequented reddit long enough has at some point seen or heard of the Niceguy sub and the vitriolic content someone with that name has and should at least have some general idea of what not to say to a stranger over the internet.
I think it’s an incel edgelord “badge of honor” at this point. I mean shit they pride themselves on this shit basically and they actually think they’re nice. We’ll be the ones to pay tho, they studied the blade while we had casual sex
[–]Umbran_scale 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"-While we had casual sex." Well, I mean if you're offering, but I prefer dinner and a movie first, pal.
But that's just my point, when you see these 'niceguy' posts as a guy yourself if you don't cringe at their self-inflicted personality killing any chances of actually even getting to shake hands with a woman then that's a cause for concern.
Thing is, that 'niceguy' label is not just restriced to reddit, it's an internet title much like neckbeards, e-thots, bronies, MLM huns and so on except Nice guys are largely part of a bigger problem and it's the attitude they have towards women that makes them less tolerant of men in general.
I don't believe in the shit of 'men should do better' or 'women need to treat men better' both men and women have their saints and assholes, but with so much evidence of niceguys generally not being as they advertise themselves you'd think they'd have more self awareness and AVOID acting like that kind of person.
I know why I'm not attracting women and it's mainly because I've got the exciting personality of watching paint dry and the escalation drive of a panda stuffing itself with bamboo and if any woman was to express interest in me I'd be wary she's out to steal my kidney or something.
I can wine and dine ;)
But yeah your analysis is spot on. They’re taking a perverse pride in being seen as the rejects of society
[–]AgeAromatic7208 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol as if male feminist are drowning in pussy
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