Is Survivor Bias killing your game?

silent_p · 2010-10-29T03:07:57+00:00

I... I'm pretty sure that analogy doesn't make any sense.

chebb · 2010-10-29T02:59:57+00:00

One way to avoid this is not to judge a method by it's lack of rejection, but it's surplus of success.

The author has an excellent point though, and I can definitely see this affecting me over the last few months. It's easy to lean back, play it cool and not force anything, and think you're doing alright because you're talking to alot of people comfortably, but still not get anywhere with any of them.

hhhhhhhha · 2010-10-29T12:19:19+00:00

Your advice actually causes survivor bias.

Example:

Let's say you like to do something obnoxious like call the girl a "dumb cunt" right off the bat. Almost all the girls you meet will immediately reject you.

The few that don't, though, must be so attracted to you (for whatever reason) that they put up with your obnoxiousness. Those girls will be more likely to sleep with you.

The problem is that when you look back you might say, "Hey that 'dumb cunt' line really works well. It worked on every girl I slept with."

Your recollection will ignore the fact that the 'dumb cunt' line prevented you from sleeping with many more girls, and wasn't even a positive for the girls that did sleep with you. That is survivor bias.

pickup_startist · 2010-10-28T23:58:28+00:00

This is another piece of well written literature that reaffirms the imperative that I improve at telling stories. I'm currently pretty bad at it.

Anyone have a story-telling guide?

insickness · 2010-10-29T03:11:03+00:00

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2010-10-29T12:51:20+00:00

Interesting post but i think there may be a deeper problem underlying your 'survivor bias': the assumption that all girls think alike. There are definitely some things that most girls will find attractive/unattractive, but as pointed out later in the article, the same comment that will cause one girl to walk away in disgust will get another's undivided attention. Being more "risky" when opening is simply a way to get rid of any girl who doesnt feel comfortable enough with you yet to talk about sex - why not try calibrating your conversation to the other person's replies instead?

2010-10-29T15:33:44+00:00

The author makes a very good point. But it must be said that seduction is not a precise science. Experience and the ability to "read" (calibration I suppose) people comes into play when it comes the kind of stuff he's talking about. The important thing is that if you always play it safe you become boring very quickly. You are not exciting to be around and a big part of successful game is in my opinion (not based on speculation...) the ability to make girls feel excited to be with you.

If you're a wild and unpredictable animal she's going to want to get wild with you. If you're a well mannered prude with a few good jokes she'll maybe hang out with you when she's really bored...

You've got to risk the flak if you're going to land the bombshell ;)

strongoaktree · 2010-10-29T17:38:03+00:00

Well, I like the idea.

I'm with silent_p though. The analogy could have been better.com

Title	Is Survivor Bias killing your game?
Author	insickness
Upvotes	39
Comments	20
Date	October 28, 2010 11:34 PM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
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