Meta note. Concerning advice like "don't put the pussy on a pedestal" and "don't get oneitis, have abundance mentality."

lofiharvest · 2014-03-23T21:00:02+00:00

Well I used to be the guy who would get crushed when "the one" girl I was chasing fell thru. I have since changed my mentality and now can get another girls numbers on the same day I get rejected. If you put "pussy on a pedestal" women will get the vibe that you are low value and desperate. Learn to become a confident mofo and they way women respond to you changes. And yes sometimes you must fake it till you make it.

joshsway · 2014-03-23T23:09:36+00:00

good post. There is most definitely too much: "just do it" advice out there.

SoInsightful · 2014-03-23T19:46:18+00:00

Completely disagree.

Fake it until you make it.

You're correct about one thing: Naturals have abundance mentality because they 1) Have skills, personality traits, physical attributes that make them desirable to women, which gives them 2) Confidence and Abundance Mentality.

Yes, all very true. You're right. BUT! If you take that person away, and put him in a place where he's never been before, where he knows nobody, he's still got that confidence and abundance mentality. Even though an abundance of girls don't want him yet, because they don't know him, they soon will because of the person he's projecting.

Fake it til you make it. Consciously telling yourself how amazing and confident and awesome you are will eventually make it true. It's not a hack premise, it's psychology 101. Your brain is a sponge.

This sole foundation of inner game is the absolute most important of being a happier, better person, loving yourself and (ultimately) having other people love you too. Technical skills, tricks, all that other stuff will be completely useless without it.

Jake_STi-RA · 2014-03-24T03:08:52+00:00

A lot of the people that spew out the same circulated advice (like the ones you mentioned) and the old hashed out advice of 'go to the gym and dress better' don't know what they're talking about. They figure going along the same grain like what 70% of people are saying, then it HAS to be true.

It defeats the purpose of personality. There's no critical thinking. I know people that are out of shape and wear poor fitting Target polo shirts with more confident than the so-called PUAs here. Many people don't even know about the product they're selling. It's getting fucking old.

"Hey guys check out this new RSD video."

Response: "Oh what do you think? Why is it cool to you?"

".....I don't know. It's RSD, I figured it'd be worth posting."

The whole 'just be confident' advice is annoying. It's what it all boils down to, but just giving that advice is annoying. It's like asking a doctor how to feel better and he says "just be healthy." Self-improvement revolves around basic principles that aren't Earth shattering but a lot of people here don't know HOW to start.

tmthykrgr · 2014-03-24T05:38:23+00:00

See, what's wrong with this is: your putting the posting on a pedestal.

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jackpaxx · 2014-03-24T04:51:18+00:00

I think the "don't put the pussy on a pedestal" advice is pretty solid and self explanatory. Not only that, but it should apply to social situations outside of seduction. Don't put anybody on a pedestal.

I agree with everything else, though. For people just starting out, having somewhat wordy advice which basically translates to "just do it" is pretty pointless and unhelpful most of the time.

Mouthpiece · 2014-03-24T18:17:11+00:00

Knowing the techniques without knowing the mindset behind the techniques is equally useless. In fact, much of the time, the mindset IS the technique.

Now I come in the past, have been delighted to give advice on specific techniques, like incorporating text game, how to set up interactions and face-to-face meetings with women, logistics, and so on. But those are intermediate or higher questions. For most man who arrived here for the first time, they need to know first and foremost that the scarcity mentality been operating from is giving them to repeat their failures.

You say that cultivating an abundance mentality requires you already have success with women. That's actually not the case. Having an abundance mentality is merely the recognition that, whether you are ready to get there or not, you have the potential within you to have abundant success with women, because there are many, many women out there.

The problem that so many who arrived here for the first time have, is that they don't see that. They developed fixations for that one girl, because deep down, they're afraid that they will never find another one. Breaking that incorrect mindset is as much a part of abundance mentality as actual successful experiences can be.

And one final point. Guiding someone towards an abundance mentality is just the first step. Telling them how to get there is the next that. But before you can begin the journey, you have to be facing in the right direction. When I tell someone "abundance mentality, it's usually my way of spinning them around snd saying "no, no. Go that way."

Once they are oriented in the right direction, then I can tell them what kind of shoes they might want to wear for the journey, and what kind of supplies they might need to take with them to get there successfully.

ThePUA_Baddie · 2014-03-23T21:56:41+00:00

Here is some practical advice for you.

In order to acquire an abundance mentality you have to: go outside and cold approach multiple girls until you have several of their numbers in your phone.

In order to be confident you have to: go outside and approach several girls whether they're alone, in pairs or in groups and you have to not care about what will happen next.

Anything else?

Zack_Fair_ · 2014-03-23T23:25:29+00:00

no, sorry but no. abundance mentality and being truly desired are related, but that's about it.

I agree a person that has a reason to experience abundance mentality might have an easier time getting into the mindset, but it is not impossible for someone who isn't desired in the least to achieve.

acting more confident has been proven to be a gateway to actual confidence. an unconfident dude will be greatly helped by course-of-action , step-by-step advice , but he definitely also needs to hear that he has to be more confident .

" but I can't , because I am not confident / really love her / am desperate / ... , so it's useless advice to me because I do not feel that way "

well then goddamn right you fake it / act like you don't feel like acting , because holding on to what the emotions you dislike but have tell you to feel is the way down and changing your behaviour to be the behaviour of emotions you don't have but would like is the way up , because eventually you will "grow" these feelings like confidence, abundance mentality etc..

also props on dividing the subreddit like this, it means your opinion is not widely agreed upon and it's this kind of thesis and antithesis that helps seduction evolve

Title	Meta note. Concerning advice like "don't put the pussy on a pedestal" and "don't get oneitis, have abundance mentality."
Author	ZiRALiX
Upvotes	43
Comments	27
Date	March 23, 2014 7:05 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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