Seddit has a problem and so do you.

dramaticternofevents · 2012-06-23T12:11:38+00:00

Have you even seen the sidebar?

Nine tenths of everything I've read is about how to become a confident, comfortable, social person and that there aren't any easy answers. If Seddit has taught me anything, it's that these goals can be reached, but that the only way to do so is by pushing yourself outside your comfort zone and learning through experience. There are tips, tricks, and things to look out for, but it is made very clear that you have to put in the legwork yourself if you're going to see any results.

Snake oil salesmen have always existed, preying off people looking for easy money or a quick fix to their problems, but they don't hold any sway in this community.

iceazn187 · 2012-06-23T12:49:10+00:00

The community material is what you make of it. If your goal is to indiscriminately get with every "HB" that you see, then great the community will help you get there. If your goal is to gain confidence because you're not enjoying your current social situation and maybe some ladies on the way, theres material for that. It just depends what you want with your life and from all of the material out there.

I personally enjoy the community as a place where men can discuss social situations which may be nerve wrecking or difficult to handle on your own if you have no prior experience with women.

world_B_free · 2012-06-23T13:18:46+00:00

Thank you for callin out the canned material/NLP. Such a joke. But I gotta tell ya, it's just not that easy for a lot of people. Reading some of this shit, and watching (pirating) dvds is exteremyl helpful. It was for me. The other great thing about pickup is that I have yet to pay a dime for anything i've learned. Gotta love them internets.

chumpchangesed · 2012-06-23T13:40:42+00:00

I'm new to r/seduction and am kind of a "special case." In my 40s and never been laid. I agree with a lot of what you're saying - I think women are human beings, not just objects or challenges in a game. Still, this stuff is helping me. I'm gradually getting out of my comfort zones and making some things happen. Haven't "f-closed" yet, but it will happen soon. I feel like I can take what's useful to me and leave what isn't.

Once I do make an effort and start talking to people, I am likeable and funny and I can feel my confidence growing. My eventual goal is a relationship and I think that will come, but until I get more social, get out of my comfort zones and meet lots of women it won't, and the PUA type advice is helping me get out there and make an effort. Already broke my "hover hands" habit which was a pretty big deal in itself.

ThrowawayPUA · 2012-06-23T13:44:47+00:00

ph0cus is a known spammer and claims he is sending spam and doing "psyops" against seddit. Please send the entire text of the messages you received to the seddit moderators.

Edit: corrected link to Moderator mail.

SoInsightful · 2012-06-23T12:22:34+00:00

To be fair, you sound like everyone else who has read The Game once and drawn conclusions about the entire community.

2012-06-23T13:33:13+00:00

It seems like there are alot of posts quite similar to yours just festering about in r/seduction. Social dyamics are a complex thing and I feel like alot of the advice shared, questions answered, and overall information offered here helps people to achieve their goals, whatever they may be. Sure there are those that tend to objectify women, but there are bad eggs in every batch, and i don't even want to call it that because everyone has their own mental, physical, and life cycles so it is a little hard to judge on such a sweepingly generalized basis.

uberafc · 2012-06-23T13:53:41+00:00

So what do you recommend to build self-confidence?

The stuff i learned from here has been great for building my confidence, and i from the get go knew i needed to work on myself. I'm not in this just to get laid. I don't like using routines and never do. It's really what you make of it, but i'd still like to know your thoughts/tips/advice on building confidence.

Also KINO works, still need to be more comfortable doing it though.

TastyMango · 2012-06-23T14:28:58+00:00

Stop pretending like you know what you're talking about. We don't pay to be here; this is not a cash scam. I don't care about what degree you've been a part of the seduction community.

We are here because most of us already are cool guys. A lot folks around here just need a little help opening up and learning to not put women on that pedestal that so many men do. We don't dehumanize women. This community is not a bunch of sociopaths. We just want to be the best we can be. That means building confidence and learning that women are people too, not magical fucking unicorns that you can only gaze at from afar.

Edit: Removed "Shut the fuck up" from the beginning of the post. Unnecessary callousness.

Marsupian · 2012-06-23T12:52:52+00:00

I'm sorry but seddit doesn't have a problem. Everything in this subreddit rejects these "tricks" and rejects objectifying woman. Everything you say you think is bad about the seduction community is dismissed by the seduction community as bullshit. Almost all the material out there that is regarded as good material teaches people to become "natural" and teaches "natural game".

The problem of the seduction community is not that it teaches "tricks" that don't work or that it objectifies woman. It's "problem" (if you can call it a problem) is that a lot of people have a wrong impression of the community and what it stands for (like you). Of course there are bad apples in the business and a lot of bad info but that doesn't mean it's part of the community and there is bad shit and people trying to make easy cash in almost every business area.

Also this: "... but there is a sad virgin out there wasting his paychecks on this, and you just being around makes him think it is working." is just not true. If there is a sad virgin they are likely to come here for advice first so we can make sure they don't go for the snakeoil bullshit tricks out there but instead get put on the right path to becoming an awesome dude with solid natural game.

tl;dr This subreddit teaches "natural game" and doesn't objectify woman. No problems here.

Iamagrocerybag · 2012-06-23T12:11:03+00:00

I feel like the manosphere now is more targeting feminism, and the onslaught of emasculated directionless males that plague our culture. The scene is different now and has a more positive nature. At least if you pursue the correct blogs.

The rawness for instance, has helped me understand myself and work to begin to undo the damage caused by my mom and this feminist culture.

Iamagrocerybag · 2012-06-23T12:12:27+00:00

Does it really matter anyways, we'll all be dead soon enough.

peachpua · 2012-06-23T13:59:33+00:00

Your assessment that routines and canned material are a scam is really far off.

When I started learning game I was as AFC as you could possibly be and thus I needed a structured, logical framework to operate inside of. I was never under the impression that there was some magical NLP routine that would turn a girl into my sex zombie, only that I was so socially outside of my element that I required some "training wheels" to get the ball rolling.

For anyone who sticks with the game all of those frameworks/routines/material/ladders transform into natural game. I no longer think about phases of attraction and I rarely use canned material or gimmicks. Those helped me to get started, build up my confidence and eventually morphed into the form of natural/direct game that I run today.

tl;dr There is no "PUA cult" and all traditional schools of PUA eventually transform into natural game

caulking · 2012-06-23T13:28:07+00:00

I don't get what you're saying.

I'm not even saying I disagree with it or anything. I can't figure out what the message you are trying to get across is. Are you for or against natural game? How does this relate to the spammer? Are you for or against PUA techniques? I can't tell.

WolfInTheField · 2012-06-23T13:55:58+00:00

This casts an interesting look on Tyler in contrast to most other methods... In fact, it makes me want to rewatch and re-evaluate the blueprint.

I do agree with your larger sentiment by the way. The newer stuff is mostly based on confidence, and there's nothing wrong with that, but underlying it is still this tendency to see all of this as an abstract, a game, and to devalue women and ourselves by identifying ourselves with success or failure at that game. All of this instead of being awesome and having fun.

Stythe · 2012-06-23T14:22:58+00:00

I don't know how big the problem you speak of it but I agree it exists. I got interested in this stuff because there was a lot of explanation for self improvement. David DeAngelo stuff was big and I found a lot of his methods weren't simply geared towards woman but becoming confidant enough to play with them. I liked that. I take what fits from this and apply it to myself. I'm not out to lay ever woman in the world, I'm interested in meeting mine.

Some people do want to get laid. Some people don't want to meet a woman, but come into contact with vag, over and over again. I don't agree with it, but it's their call and there's plenty of woman looking to get their rocks off too, so it doesn't matter so long as they don't lie about it.

Still, people need to remember that you aren't going to use every technique, or get every woman. You don't want to become a routine robot. That's no fun. And if you do try to meet someone real, you're gonna have to be vulnerable at some point. That's just life.

2012-06-23T14:24:29+00:00

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Title	Seddit has a problem and so do you.
Author	chumpchangesed
Upvotes	43
Comments	52
Date	June 23, 2012 11:44 AM UTC (14 years ago)
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