Started reading "Models" to get women, started improving myself instead

Fate-in-haze · 2022-02-18T10:53:59+00:00

Reading Models helped rid me of this alpha male centric thinking, I also just purchased Game Over: From pickup artist to social heartist by John Cooper, this is a book I also recommend because it seems like you are also interested in detoxing from traditional pua mentality and focusing on self improvement.

fapsober · 2022-02-18T14:45:24+00:00

Models helped me to be more relaxed when it goes to conversation with women. I dont try to game them, just being genuinely interested in them and if I like them I touch them, showing interest etc. If she likes me - nice, if not Im okay with it too.

Im coming from a buddhist background and it seems to me the best way to live in serenity and peace, even if Im not having constantly sex or being supergood with women. So coupling models with diligent meditation and mindfulness is in my experience the most fruitful approach instead of the classic game approach.

And right because of this - being stoic, its seems that women are attracted to me and like me as a person. I dont need P&P, negs etc. It really poisoned my mindset in the past and I felt that I have to act to get her and was steady anxious that it doesnt work out.

Im even more attracted to the personality of a girl instead of her looks. Yesterday I met a sweet but to me not very physically attractive girl. After a while I got to know her, I found her personality so attractive because she seemed to be a girl with a truly good heart and I loved to listen to her, I felt the sudden urge to kiss her. I did it, but she telled me that she is not ready. I telled her its okay and I can understand it. No problem. I quitting porn helped me in this regard to.

2022-02-18T16:50:46+00:00

Don't give up on dating just because you feel you aren't quite "there" as the ideal man described in the book. Realize that at your age, you're at the beginning of the journey. These books can be great guides, or road maps if you will, which you're fortunate to have at age 17, but they are not one size fits all, and they will not make up for a lack of actual experience. Just keep the lessons in mind and let your experiences play out as they may - don't worry about being perfect.

gt4viper · 2022-02-18T17:23:13+00:00

Let me start by saying I have no business giving advice on seduction.

However I would like to lend this to the conversation. One of the common things people say is “confidence is sexy”. When I was younger I thought this meant being an arrogant aloof ass and acting like I knew everything so no one could see that I was really nervous and trying to be a people pleaser so they would like me. This obviously wasn’t getting the result I wanted and it made me miserable and literally loath any social interaction or event.

It took me years and listening to some wise men to reach the understanding that at least for me confidence came from accepting myself and what I enjoy. Yes I play video games. Yes I like watching DND games on YouTube. No I don’t listen to or like the popular music now, and I don’t know jack about ball sports. And yeah, I live at home with my parents (for many reasons none of them being childlike or laziness) And that’s all ok. I don’t care if someone else thinks my hobbies aren’t manly or are immature or that I should have my own place by now. I am manly, I help take care of my family, I work hard and have nothing to be ashamed of.

Does that mean everyone likes me? No. But it offends or puts off far fewer people than I imagined it would in my youth. And I enjoy myself at social gatherings now because I’m not putting on a false persona to hide from everyone else. And women are just people. Most like me, some don’t. Does this help with seduction? Eh, maybe? I’ve never really tried seducing anyone. But having real, deep rooted confidence in myself makes me a happier more honest person and I have better relationships because of it.

Keep making yourself better (and only YOU can decide what that means for you). Keep learning a little something everyday. And accept where you are on your journey.

It works for me anyway.

guccidane13 · 2022-02-18T18:05:38+00:00

I love reading Mark Manson in general and wish I could have discovered his work at your age. I think you already understand what you need to do to get rid of that mindset. The most impactful advice from Models that helped improve my insecurities surrounding women was his advice on masturbation (once or twice a week, don't use porn). I think porn conditions us to think that women always want more (bigger, better, more traditionally masculine) than we are, and honestly you're too young to know this but dating on the apps reinforces this belief even more.

Second thing I'd stress is patience, continue to focus on just meeting women and just be yourself. Sometimes you'll get straight up brutally rejected, and that sucks but don't let it stop you. Sometimes you'll like a woman and get friendzoned, and that sucks. Sometimes you'll miss opportunities, and that sucks. Sometimes you'll find a hookup, which can be nice, but usually left me feeling a bit empty inside after, even if the sex was enjoyable. Every once in a while you'll meet someone where both of you want to spend more time with each other and get to know each other better. Explore each other. These are the special ones, don't let yourself get hung up on the others. Everything else, all of those failures and conquests are just practice for these women. If there is real and true mutual interest, you will recognize it if you have a good head on your shoulders and some common sense. Just make sure you continue to have your own beliefs and maintain your standard for how you both treat others and are treated.

If your goal is to get laid as much as possible, make yourself the most attractive person you can be, but coercing affection isn't a real substitute for the can of acceptance we all seek in the long run. You don't want to go to sleep at night thinking of the ones you've let go and shouldn't have.

If you aren't liking the women you have access to, then travel, explore, see what kind of women are out there and which is right for you. You've got so much time ahead of you and you honestly shouldn't be worried yet, you'd be shocked with how many men are virgins at your age. Most people learn this stuff in college, just put yourself in the best position you can to be successful.

JustSomeGuy131 · 2022-02-18T16:45:47+00:00

This is precisely my experience. You're incredibly lucky to have come across this book at 17. I read it just 2 months ago or so and I already feel my life changing. I had no idea a single book could have such an impact on my life, having read dozens of self help books in the past.

oussamabouaoued · 2022-02-18T15:18:30+00:00

u got me hooked...anyone can link me to the pdf of this books or something?

Chicagoj1563 · 2022-02-18T17:33:43+00:00

Models is ok. Decent book for what it is. But, it's overrated in this sub in my view. If it clicks with people, awesome. As I said, its a decent book. But, it's not the be all end all answer. The author isn't an expert. I think guys like it because it's more authentic then most game advice that comes from coaches and others who are going out and working on their game. But, its been a while since I read it, so I shouldn't criticize too much.

Fabulous_Finish2161 · 2022-02-18T14:55:16+00:00

It’s a good book

International-Ice230 · 2022-02-18T16:15:55+00:00

What book is that?models by who?

HatchimalSam · 2022-02-18T18:46:50+00:00

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NegotiationMedical21 · 2022-02-18T14:07:34+00:00

I felt alot of what was said in models was lame.

I felt weird reading some of it thinking "everybody knows this"

CenaSmackDown · 2022-02-18T16:36:25+00:00

If this worthless trash helped you you'd be better off with a boyfriend

mlgdank69 · 2022-02-18T15:38:47+00:00

always do what you want to do for you. fuck everyone else who judges.

clone0112 · 2022-02-18T19:43:49+00:00

Is this book my Mark Manson?

Such-Lobster3167 · 2022-02-18T20:26:46+00:00

Does anyone have the pdf of the book?

eszibit · 2022-02-18T21:26:28+00:00

I've read Models like 3 times and loved it, implemented some things, was really good for me but i disagreed with some stuff. No read Mate: Become the Man Women Want, it's like models on steroids from as evolutionary psychologist, basically 60% is what mark manson says but a lot more in depth and some other stuff too. Imo is a much better read

2022-02-18T22:18:07+00:00

Name of the author?

oreopimp · 2022-02-18T22:50:05+00:00

Best thing in the Models book by far is the concept of 'honesty and vulnerability' and the ability to socially calibrate -- using it as a mindset, it is one those those things that I found has changed everything in terms of how I interact with people. It not only helps women feel safe and open up in ways they just don't normally do, but even with guys it can help have deep conversations with guys you meet socially.

There are other sources I think are really good I've talked about in past comments. IMO best coaches for a very fluid, natural healthy masculine mindset, that also teach how to have deep conversations and connections: James Marshall, Todd V., Richard La Ruina.

It's good you want to change. Almost everything of your previous mindset is ego fantasy. And even if you could live that out, at some point you'd likely have a mental breakdown or be hooked on drugs trying to deal with the person you've become. You can literally have all of that, but also be a guy that women love to be around, both romantically and socially. e

sexygorilla1 · 2022-02-18T23:22:19+00:00

check dms

2022-02-19T09:13:37+00:00

Your views aren’t stopping you from getting laid. Its who you are as a person. You are unattractive. That fact cannot be changed. Sorry bro its the cold reality

TheTruth221 · 2022-02-19T11:20:33+00:00

nice reading

Title	Started reading "Models" to get women, started improving myself instead
Author	Kuroikigai
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Date	February 18, 2022 10:44 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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